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Woz
Both albums will sell 1,000,000 plus copies and the new original Stones disc will chart. Just watch.....
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Both albums will sell 1,000,000 plus copies and the new original Stones disc will chart. Just watch.....
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mailexile67
What a silly talking..."They're afraid that new stuff isn't good enough...They're nervous...They're afraid that new album doesn't peak top five...Baaaaah!
It's only a new rock'n'roll album...It should be obvious that it will coming out!They're musicians!Musicians do concerts and albums!
Then...If Keith without no pubblicity and no Tour to support it has sold almost 400K, I think that the Stones can sell at least 800K or 1 million in the world touring and media appearances with a big UMG pubblicity and peak Top 3 all over the world charts for sure with many number one FOR SURE!!!And it should be ENOUGH!
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Both albums will sell 1,000,000 plus copies and the new original Stones disc will chart. Just watch.....
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All of this talk on whether they should or shouldn't and what the point of a release is is really reminding me of the new Paul McCartney Rolling Stone interview. He said he's releasing a new album not because he needs to, but because he can. He credits that attitude towards having written some songs he likes and hopes everyone else will, which is making me wonder- does Mick think the Stones have passed their expiration but refuses to throw out the can, so to speak? That's one of the main differences between Mick and Paul as frontmen, imo. Paul thinks of how the fans, and I'm sure to an extent, the general public (i.e. potential new fans), will react to a new album or song, whereas Mick seems to only look at potential record sales as opposed to keeping their existing fan-base well-fed with new material (not re-recorded parts dubbed over a thirty-five year old vocal track), so to speak.
bullsht,Paul is trying to throw everything he can against the wall and hope something sticks.anyone who is desperate enough for a hit song that he teams up with Kanye West to get on the charts is still chasing the dream.
Paul is such a phony"i'm just writing songs and hope the fans will like it"-no Paulie,you're trying to sell as many records as you can,just like everyone else.nice try with the excuse for all those bombs though.
Mick is dealing with a great legacy that is the Rolling Stones,Maccas little pop group folded 46 years ago.
While I will agree that some of Macca's previous collaborations have been pretty questionable, I would like to point out that he may be trying formulas that have worked well for him in the past, like Stevie Wonder on 'Ebony & Ivory' (surprisingly a #1 hit) and Michael Jackson on 'Say Say Say' (a #1 hit) and 'The Girl is Mine' (#1 in select genre charts). Can you blame Paul?
And I'm also pretty sure the same about the Stones' career folding in 1969 or 1974...
And then there's Mick's collaborations with Michael Jackson, Will.I.Am (sp? lol), Superheavy, Lenny Kravitz, Alfie/Dave Stewart, and other questionable projects I can't think of at the moment. So while Mick is indeed 'dealing with a great legacy that is the Rolling Stones' as lem motlow states, he's also been 'chasing the dream' with oddball detours and throwing all kinds of crap at the wall. And that's not to mention the live collaboration with Taylor Swift, and all the other weirdos who were brought out as guests for Stones shows during the last few tours (I think it mainly during 50 and Counting)...
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All of this talk on whether they should or shouldn't and what the point of a release is is really reminding me of the new Paul McCartney Rolling Stone interview. He said he's releasing a new album not because he needs to, but because he can. He credits that attitude towards having written some songs he likes and hopes everyone else will, which is making me wonder- does Mick think the Stones have passed their expiration but refuses to throw out the can, so to speak? That's one of the main differences between Mick and Paul as frontmen, imo. Paul thinks of how the fans, and I'm sure to an extent, the general public (i.e. potential new fans), will react to a new album or song, whereas Mick seems to only look at potential record sales as opposed to keeping their existing fan-base well-fed with new material (not re-recorded parts dubbed over a thirty-five year old vocal track), so to speak.
bullsht,Paul is trying to throw everything he can against the wall and hope something sticks.anyone who is desperate enough for a hit song that he teams up with Kanye West to get on the charts is still chasing the dream.
Paul is such a phony"i'm just writing songs and hope the fans will like it"-no Paulie,you're trying to sell as many records as you can,just like everyone else.nice try with the excuse for all those bombs though.
Mick is dealing with a great legacy that is the Rolling Stones,Maccas little pop group folded 46 years ago.
While I will agree that some of Macca's previous collaborations have been pretty questionable, I would like to point out that he may be trying formulas that have worked well for him in the past, like Stevie Wonder on 'Ebony & Ivory' (surprisingly a #1 hit) and Michael Jackson on 'Say Say Say' (a #1 hit) and 'The Girl is Mine' (#1 in select genre charts). Can you blame Paul?
And I'm also pretty sure the same about the Stones' career folding in 1969 or 1974...
And then there's Mick's collaborations with Michael Jackson, Will.I.Am (sp? lol), Superheavy, Lenny Kravitz, Alfie/Dave Stewart, and other questionable projects I can't think of at the moment. So while Mick is indeed 'dealing with a great legacy that is the Rolling Stones' as lem motlow states, he's also been 'chasing the dream' with oddball detours and throwing all kinds of crap at the wall. And that's not to mention the live collaboration with Taylor Swift, and all the other weirdos who were brought out as guests for Stones shows during the last few tours (I think it mainly during 50 and Counting)...
nice word salad there guy's, too bad it made no sense.
beforetheymakemeruns non-sequitur naming Pauls number 1's in the 80's and bizarre claim the Stones folded in 69 or 74 followed by hairballs laundry list of Mick side projects and not liking guests at the live shows doesn't really have anything to do with what i said.
BTMMR said -Paul put out records for the fans and didn't care about sales whereas the Stones and Jagger in particular only worried about sales.
i called bullshit on it and your responses were at best weak and at worst completely lost. -no offense.
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ok let me try again-i never said Mick, the Stones or anyone else wasn't trying to make hit records.
everyone does,i don't care if it's Katy Perry or Metallica.it's show business,and it's a business.
my point was Paul does this like anyone else,his post was basically that Paul just puts stuff out willy nilly and it's all about music and the sales don't matter where Mick and the Stones are all about the bottom line.and that's just not true-everybody wants hits.
his response agreed with me and i'm not sure he even knew it.
nobody gives a damn if Jagger sells 10 records or not, maybe it was a story in the 80's but it's pretty clear anything he does outside the band at this point is a hobby.
it doesn't "tarnish the band" because it doesn't say "The Rolling Stones" on it.that's like saying charlies jazz records not selling a million copies hurts the bands reputation.it's the same thing,nobody cares.do you really think when someone says"Mick Jagger" people think "oh,yeah,the primitive cool guy"?
which brings me to the "great legacy of the Rolling Stones comment"-there IS pressure there because if the band has a record that bombs in a big way that's a problem,it's a news story and it brings out the wolves and with it the narrative of the old washed up Stones.
the guests on tour have nothing to do with anything-they don't sell tickets because they're not announced in advance and a group that hasn't put out a record in 11 years isn't trying to use them for that.
it's all just part of the show in the modern age-with Buddy Guy,Eric Clapton ,Tom Waits and John lee Hooker balancing out any worries about the bands credibility against having pop stars onstage,i'm sure their reputation will somehow survive.
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Both albums will sell 1,000,000 plus copies and the new original Stones disc will chart. Just watch.....
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noticed that BV has made the 'New Rolling Stones albums due out 2016/2017' thread go all sticky.
Is this a clue that something could be coming round the bend sometime soon? just spitballing but.....
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Part of me thinks... that with having Clapton on a song - or more, whatever it is or could be - gives a nod to the end; Clapton is about to hang it up; the Stones can't go for much longer.
The blues is what started it all.
12 years later, sure, why not do another album. "It's about time". Well fine then. When it comes out it comes out. Touring "behind" it doesn't mean anything to the Stones anymore,as the last LP tour proved, back in 2006-07. It's plausible to think that in the midst of that tour something shifted - the new stuff doesn't matter anymore, play the hits.
They took a break.
They came back 5 plus years later and... played what amounts to a 1964-1981 catalogue covering show.
This isn't about making the pool, this is about hanging out around the pool and enjoying the view and a drink or two.
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Hairball
IMO he's tarnished the Stones legacy with most if not all of his side projects.
And I didn't even mention his foray into movies/acting in hopes of some sort of success which can be summed up in one word: Freejack.
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IMO he's tarnished the Stones legacy with most if not all of his side projects.
And I didn't even mention his foray into movies/acting in hopes of some sort of success which can be summed up in one word: Freejack.
Freejack is one of the best movies of the last century - MIck was robbed by the Academy.
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BV, Why has been deleted the "Sticky" thread of new albums 2016/2017?!?
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BV, Why has been deleted the "Sticky" thread of new albums 2016/2017?!?
Mick is going to be a daaaaaad one more time.
That is why. All Stones plans, where no contracts are done, will be put on hold or forgotten!!!
I guess Keith is going to be upset..... one more time.