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seattle should be 1-4 and pretty much out of the playoffs. saints are pretty much out now

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seattle should be 1-4 and pretty much out of the playoffs. saints are pretty much out now

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Bell into the end zone as he goes down and time expires. Steelers take it. Gates gets his 100th and 101st TD catches for SD.

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Bell into the end zone as he goes down and time expires. Steelers take it. Gates gets his 100th and 101st TD catches for SD.

BIG smile on my face at the end of that one! Seems that both coach and player seemed to think they'd have the chance to call timeout and attempt a field goal if bell hadn't scored. Somehow I don't think it would have happened that way. Must admit that I'm glad we're talking about a successful "risky play" as opposed to a clock mismanagement scenario!

Quick question for someone who knows the rules better than I do: Does anyone know why they attempted the extra point after the game winning touchdown? I can see why that would happen at the end of the 1st, 2nd & 3rd quarters but wasn't aware that they would try the kick at the end of regulation unless it was needed for a trailing team to try and tie the score. I'm pretty sure that in overtime the game ends on the touchdown and no kick is tried. Just curious if anyone knows.

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Bell into the end zone as he goes down and time expires. Steelers take it. Gates gets his 100th and 101st TD catches for SD.

BIG smile on my face at the end of that one! Seems that both coach and player seemed to think they'd have the chance to call timeout and attempt a field goal if bell hadn't scored. Somehow I don't think it would have happened that way. Must admit that I'm glad we're talking about a successful "risky play" as opposed to a clock mismanagement scenario!

Quick question for someone who knows the rules better than I do: Does anyone know why they attempted the extra point after the game winning touchdown? I can see why that would happen at the end of the 1st, 2nd & 3rd quarters but wasn't aware that they would try the kick at the end of regulation unless it was needed for a trailing team to try and tie the score. I'm pretty sure that in overtime the game ends on the touchdown and no kick is tried. Just curious if anyone knows.

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Mr DJA

this year if you miss the extra point as in its short and someone in the endzone catches it or blocked the team in defense can recover the ball and run with it. thats my only guess as to why since technically the chargers could have scored again if the kick was blocked/missed and they recovered it and ran in for a TD. not sure why in OT it might be different


as far as the clock mismanagement. 18 seconds were run off for no reason after the chargers kicked the ball to the steelers to start that final drive after the ball was caught. talk about what could have been a costly screw up

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Bell into the end zone as he goes down and time expires. Steelers take it. Gates gets his 100th and 101st TD catches for SD.

BIG smile on my face at the end of that one! Seems that both coach and player seemed to think they'd have the chance to call timeout and attempt a field goal if bell hadn't scored. Somehow I don't think it would have happened that way. Must admit that I'm glad we're talking about a successful "risky play" as opposed to a clock mismanagement scenario!

Quick question for someone who knows the rules better than I do: Does anyone know why they attempted the extra point after the game winning touchdown? I can see why that would happen at the end of the 1st, 2nd & 3rd quarters but wasn't aware that they would try the kick at the end of regulation unless it was needed for a trailing team to try and tie the score. I'm pretty sure that in overtime the game ends on the touchdown and no kick is tried. Just curious if anyone knows.

Peace,
Mr DJA

this year if you miss the extra point as in its short and someone in the endzone catches it or blocked the team in defense can recover the ball and run with it. thats my only guess as to why since technically the chargers could have scored again if the kick was blocked/missed and they recovered it and ran in for a TD. not sure why in OT it might be different


as far as the clock mismanagement. 18 seconds were run off for no reason after the chargers kicked the ball to the steelers to start that final drive after the ball was caught. talk about what could have been a costly screw up

Thanks keefriffhard4life for the thoughts and also for getting my mind thinking! Turns out you're somewhat correct. I ended up searching and ending up at a Conversion page that I'd guess is pretty accurate. "In the NFL, the conversion is required after a touchdown scored during the regulation game (i.e., not overtime), because point differential is used for some tiebreakers in the standings. Rarely, this can result in such an attempt having to be made at the end of the game when it cannot change the outcome of the game". The site also mentioned that, as of this season, "NFL defenses became able to run back failed conversion attempts for a two-point score."

I find it interesting that, according to the site, "If the game is in sudden death overtime, the extra-point attempt is omitted if the winning score is a touchdown". I guess "sudden death" trumps end of season point differential.

Thanks again for getting my brain pointed in the right direction keefriffhard4life!

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seattle should be 1-4 and pretty much out of the playoffs. saints are pretty much out now

Saints are out of even the idea of possible playoff contention and, with exception to the personnel not changing, the Payton-Brees era is over.

Seahawks should be 1-4. Atlanta... they've yet to play a good team. And it's going to be a while until they do.

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The Saints won a Super Bowl and had a few consecutive winning seasons (rather than many consecutive last place finishes) and that is what the Payton-Brees era will be remembered by.

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The Saints won a Super Bowl and had a few consecutive winning seasons (rather than many consecutive last place finishes) and that is what the Payton-Brees era will be remembered by.

so you don't remember bountygate tainting the SB win or the coaching staff getting in trouble over it?

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Ben was suspended a few games by the steelers not by the nfl. It was after his second time being accused of rape. Nothing was ever proven, cases were dropped. There was film of ben at least being in the same location said events had taken place so the steelers suspended him for "putting himself into several situations that possibly reflected negatively on the steelers organization" or something like that. Basically they were telling ben to br smarter than that and even if you did nothing wrong stop allowing yourself to get into these situations

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Bengals down 24-7 Sunday and back to win it in OT with a bank shot field goal in the final seconds, wow.

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Bengals down 24-7 Sunday and back to win it in OT with a bank shot field goal in the final seconds, wow.

That was insane, and happened when the just as unlikely Cleveland Browns(!) took out Baltimore at Baltimore in OT. Big day for Ohioans I guess.

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seattle should be 1-4 and pretty much out of the playoffs. saints are pretty much out now

Saints are out of even the idea of possible playoff contention and, with exception to the personnel not changing, the Payton-Brees era is over.

Seahawks should be 1-4. Atlanta... they've yet to play a good team. And it's going to be a while until they do.

jets should sign brees for 2 years unless he had health issues. have him mentor bryce petty for 2 years and then in 2 years turn it over to petty.

the brees-payton era was cool for the saints but really outside of brees crazy numbers this is what will mostly be remembered by me.

-5 winning seasons out of 10 seasons together and yes i counted the current season as a losing season
-a superbowl win with a lot of controversial calls in the NFC champ game that got them there
- bountygate
- brees winning just 1 true road playoff game and losing 4 road playoff games including a game to the 7-9 seahawks

its good for a team that was use to failure but now to a lot of people the last 10 seasons pretty much are remember for bountygate and the team not getting it done in true road games in the playoffs

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The Saints won a Super Bowl and had a few consecutive winning seasons (rather than many consecutive last place finishes) and that is what the Payton-Brees era will be remembered by.

so you don't remember bountygate tainting the SB win or the coaching staff getting in trouble over it?

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seattle should be 1-4 and pretty much out of the playoffs. saints are pretty much out now

Saints are out of even the idea of possible playoff contention and, with exception to the personnel not changing, the Payton-Brees era is over.

Seahawks should be 1-4. Atlanta... they've yet to play a good team. And it's going to be a while until they do.

jets should sign brees for 2 years unless he had health issues. have him mentor bryce petty for 2 years and then in 2 years turn it over to petty.

the brees-payton era was cool for the saints but really outside of brees crazy numbers this is what will mostly be remembered by me.

-5 winning seasons out of 10 seasons together and yes i counted the current season as a losing season
-a superbowl win with a lot of controversial calls in the NFC champ game that got them there
- bountygate
- brees winning just 1 true road playoff game and losing 4 road playoff games including a game to the 7-9 seahawks

its good for a team that was use to failure but now to a lot of people the last 10 seasons pretty much are remember for bountygate and the team not getting it done in true road games in the playoffs

Well, for one, bounty"gate" was never proven but people will remember it, good for them - they'll remember something that was never really there.

What I don't get is what the hell is a "true" road playoff game? Is there a "fake" road playoff game? Because you say "true road playoff game" once but then just say "playoff games" about the other road games.

True, losing to the pathetic 7-9 division "winner" Seattle Seahawks in the 2011 playoffs was pretty bad - but the Saints would've lost at home (to anyone) regardless because of how depleted they were.

Brees should go to a team that has a chance to win the Supe. NYJets ain't gonna have a chance to win the Supe. He should go to Denver.

Crazy numbers indeed though. He's become the Wayne Gretzky of the NFL.

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as far as bountygate. if the players weren't paid to take out warner and favre good for them because they clearly were trying to do it. i can't remember the numbers from the film reviewed but the nfl listed something like 17 late/questionable hits against warner/favre in those playoffs plus an illegal high/low on favre. there was also footage of some players high fiving eachother after favre appeared to have to be taken out of that game. this wasn't right after the play happened but after favre was down for several seconds and then was escorted off the field. i've never seen players celebrating after someone gets up off the field after appeaering injured

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as far as bountygate. if the players weren't paid to take out warner and favre good for them because they clearly were trying to do it. i can't remember the numbers from the film reviewed but the nfl listed something like 17 late/questionable hits against warner/favre in those playoffs plus an illegal high/low on favre. there was also footage of some players high fiving eachother after favre appeared to have to be taken out of that game. this wasn't right after the play happened but after favre was down for several seconds and then was escorted off the field. i've never seen players celebrating after someone gets up off the field after appeaering injured

So... there's footage of players doing things that have been done before - taking out QBs and celebrating. Questionable hits... uh huh. OK. High/low hits... uh huh.

So... that means there was a "bounty". Which was never proven. I could see people continuing to complain if the Saints had, oh, batted a ball out of the endzone to win a playoff game... and on and on.

What some people seem to ignore is the defense was on fire that year. So... that means something was up? HA HA! In that case the 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers were CRIMINALS!

What a coach says in the locker room is what a coach says. You think - obviously you do - that players took that hyperbole serious? That's beyond laughable.

The Saints won SB44 with talent and determination. That's it. There's nothing more to it.

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Bengals when the just as unlikely Cleveland Brown

I wouldn't link "just as unlikely" with the bengals at the moment-Dalton is firing with some zeroed-in precision.

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as far as bountygate. if the players weren't paid to take out warner and favre good for them because they clearly were trying to do it. i can't remember the numbers from the film reviewed but the nfl listed something like 17 late/questionable hits against warner/favre in those playoffs plus an illegal high/low on favre. there was also footage of some players high fiving eachother after favre appeared to have to be taken out of that game. this wasn't right after the play happened but after favre was down for several seconds and then was escorted off the field. i've never seen players celebrating after someone gets up off the field after appeaering injured

So... there's footage of players doing things that have been done before - taking out QBs and celebrating. Questionable hits... uh huh. OK. High/low hits... uh huh.

So... that means there was a "bounty". Which was never proven. I could see people continuing to complain if the Saints had, oh, batted a ball out of the endzone to win a playoff game... and on and on.

What some people seem to ignore is the defense was on fire that year. So... that means something was up? HA HA! In that case the 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers were CRIMINALS!

What a coach says in the locker room is what a coach says. You think - obviously you do - that players took that hyperbole serious? That's beyond laughable.

The Saints won SB44 with talent and determination. That's it. There's nothing more to it.

the late hits and high/low are all easily viewed on youtube. as a matter of fact the illegal high/low was never flagged. I don't even want to talk about the 3 straight calls gifted to the saints in OT of the nfc championship game. 2 1st downs not converted and a phantom pass interference

how bad is the damning proof showing guys celebrating after favre appeared to be hurt? the nfl themselves had it removed from youtube. it was not shown live during the game as it was one of several cameras obviously that are always recording. after bountygate came about someone somehow had uploaded it to youtube and the nfl had it pulled. you would think it was in the nfl's best interest to leave something on youtube that could be seen as proof yet even they had it pulled.


finally why are only saints players saying there wasn't one while even former redskins players said the same guy Williams ran the same type of system while he was on the redskins staff. funny how players from other teams said this guy ran bounties while he was their defensive cooradinator but saints players where testifying up and down he never ran a bounty program. I guess Williams did it for years before with other teams and then all of the sudden stopped when he got to the saints?

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as far as bountygate. if the players weren't paid to take out warner and favre good for them because they clearly were trying to do it. i can't remember the numbers from the film reviewed but the nfl listed something like 17 late/questionable hits against warner/favre in those playoffs plus an illegal high/low on favre. there was also footage of some players high fiving eachother after favre appeared to have to be taken out of that game. this wasn't right after the play happened but after favre was down for several seconds and then was escorted off the field. i've never seen players celebrating after someone gets up off the field after appeaering injured

So... there's footage of players doing things that have been done before - taking out QBs and celebrating. Questionable hits... uh huh. OK. High/low hits... uh huh.

So... that means there was a "bounty". Which was never proven. I could see people continuing to complain if the Saints had, oh, batted a ball out of the endzone to win a playoff game... and on and on.

What some people seem to ignore is the defense was on fire that year. So... that means something was up? HA HA! In that case the 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers were CRIMINALS!

What a coach says in the locker room is what a coach says. You think - obviously you do - that players took that hyperbole serious? That's beyond laughable.

The Saints won SB44 with talent and determination. That's it. There's nothing more to it.

the late hits and high/low are all easily viewed on youtube. as a matter of fact the illegal high/low was never flagged. I don't even want to talk about the 3 straight calls gifted to the saints in OT of the nfc championship game. 2 1st downs not converted and a phantom pass interference

how bad is the damning proof showing guys celebrating after favre appeared to be hurt? the nfl themselves had it removed from youtube. it was not shown live during the game as it was one of several cameras obviously that are always recording. after bountygate came about someone somehow had uploaded it to youtube and the nfl had it pulled. you would think it was in the nfl's best interest to leave something on youtube that could be seen as proof yet even they had it pulled.


finally why are only saints players saying there wasn't one while even former redskins players said the same guy Williams ran the same type of system while he was on the redskins staff. funny how players from other teams said this guy ran bounties while he was their defensive cooradinator but saints players where testifying up and down he never ran a bounty program. I guess Williams did it for years before with other teams and then all of the sudden stopped when he got to the saints?

I dunno. You'd have to ask them. All I know is it was never proven.

The hits... yeah, they were aggressive, weren't they!