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Naturalust
The general consensus all these years later is that there were 3 deaths at Woodstock, 1 overdose, 1 person run over by a car while sleeping, and 1 person run over by a tractor. In terms of births the legend has it that there were also three but no one has ever come forth and been positively identified as a Woodstock baby and many have who have tried have proven to be false. Michael Lange say he heard 2 were born and apparently there was a confirmed birth in a car on the way to the festival. The search for these Woodstock babies goes on and you would think if there were actual births there they would have come forwards to capitalize on that fact, so I'm guessing it's mostly a myth.
The thing that seems to be true was there didn't seem to be any particular violence anywhere during the three day festival...except the on stage incident where Pete Townsend clobbered Abbie Hoffman with his guitar after Hoffman grabbed mic and started some free John Sinclair rant. Leave it to Pete to be the only violent one out of 500,000. Probably not all peace and love but certainly no Altamont.
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Naturalust
The general consensus all these years later is that there were 3 deaths at Woodstock, 1 overdose, 1 person run over by a car while sleeping, and 1 person run over by a tractor. In terms of births the legend has it that there were also three but no one has ever come forth and been positively identified as a Woodstock baby and many have who have tried have proven to be false. Michael Lange say he heard 2 were born and apparently there was a confirmed birth in a car on the way to the festival. The search for these Woodstock babies goes on and you would think if there were actual births there they would have come forwards to capitalize on that fact, so I'm guessing it's mostly a myth.
The thing that seems to be true was there didn't seem to be any particular violence anywhere during the three day festival...except the on stage incident where Pete Townsend clobbered Abbie Hoffman with his guitar after Hoffman grabbed mic and started some free John Sinclair rant. Leave it to Pete to be the only violent one out of 500,000. Probably not all peace and love but certainly no Altamont.
I wished there was footage of Abbie getting hit by Pete, I worked on the Who documentary "The Kids Are Alright" and we found three sources for footage taken of the Woodstock show and no one had footage of Pete hitting Abbie. Pete has a slight history of being a little violent on stage, at a show at the Fillmore East years ago there was a fire next to the Fillmore and a firefighter came on stage during the Who's performance and Pete proceeded to kick the firefighter in the balls and off the stage!!! I'm not sure if Pete knew what was happening at the time.
As far as the Altamont Concert, there could be a chance the Audio could come out as a CD as there is a 16 track master of the whole show (stones show for sure). Bob & Betty were there to record The Grateful Dead, Stones had no plans at the time to record their show on 16 track at the time. They ended up using Bob & Betty recording truck to record the show at the last moment (since the Dead decided not to preform there was tape available to record on). The Maysles were just going to use there recording equipment to record the show. I have heard some of the 16track recordings of the Stones performance (100X better then any bootleg). As a documentary if using snippets ( a song or two & not the complete set) of various groups that played mixed with interviews of people who played there and fans that attended + private footage (I have about 160 minutes) from various people who were there, I believe a nice little documentary could be made and for not that much money (As compared to what big documentaries can get). I won't be there greatest but it would be nice to see at least something from probably one of the most famous festivals of all time. If it ever does happen let's hope it sooner then later so the fans that grew up with that show will be alive to see it. Wishful thinking "maybe"!!
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GasLightStreet
It was during Under My Thumb.
A simple look on Google would tell anyone that if they had any interest in talking about what happened. But instead we get the usual 'it happened during SFTD' bullshit. What Mick said has nothing to do with anything, he was just talking to fill time. Nothing funny ever happened during that song that I've ever read ANYWHERE.
Regurgitating bad and ignorant press info about the death of a black man killed by the Angels is unforgivable.
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I really want to give a "shout out" to VideoJames. His contributions to iorr in particular, and to documentation in general, of The Rolling Stones, will be measured not only in the present, but also in decades to come. As someone who spent years as a translator of foreign news articles, I can well understand his frustration at "the powers that be" when they don't recognize the dedication that archivists (often uncompensated) put into their craft.
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I really want to give a "shout out" to VideoJames. His contributions to iorr in particular, and to documentation in general, of The Rolling Stones, will be measured not only in the present, but also in decades to come. As someone who spent years as a translator of foreign news articles, I can well understand his frustration at "the powers that be" when they don't recognize the dedication that archivists (often uncompensated) put into their craft.
Thanks for the compliments, but I also learned a lot from many of people that post on IORR. Plus I always appreciate all the updates on all things Rolling Stones that gets posted. Plus I have met Bjornulf over the years at various Stones concerts etc. and found him to be a fantastic Rolling Stones fan and very wonderful person, so I enjoy going to this site that he has put together and reading things and adding things when and if I can.
Oh! one little tibbit about the Altamont set list, besides the fact that they played Brown Sugar at Altamont. They did the song "The Sun Is Shining" (Reed) was not on the set list or planned to be but was done on the spot because of Mick Taylor, he was the one that got the band to play it, after all the chaos happening in the audience and he wanted to cool things out with that song. He had also suggested earlier to the band (before they went on stage) that they play Brown Sugar. "source for this was a conversation I had with MT back in 1980's when we onced talked about the Altamont concert."
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How many songs did they end up playing at Altamont, enough to fill an album?
It would be weird listening to the final song realizing that someone got killed a few minutes later.
Killed during the concert, not the end.
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The film makes it look as though it was during Sympathy.
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GasLightStreet
It was during Under My Thumb.
A simple look on Google would tell anyone that if they had any interest in talking about what happened. But instead we get the usual 'it happened during SFTD' bullshit. What Mick said has nothing to do with anything, he was just talking to fill time. Nothing funny ever happened during that song that I've ever read ANYWHERE.
Regurgitating bad and ignorant press info about the death of a black man killed by the Angels is unforgivable.
The film gives the impression Under My Thumb is used to try and settle down the crowd. Sort of a unforgettable bit of footage where the camera operator is
focusing on a guy standing on the side of the stage - not very far from Mick.
This guy looked like he was about ready to "blow a gasket". The shot of him
contorting goes on for a long time until a "Angel" takes care of him in their own special way.
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How many songs did they end up playing at Altamont, enough to fill an album?
It would be weird listening to the final song realizing that someone got killed a few minutes later.
Killed during the concert, not the end.
Never knew that, thanks. I always thought they left in their helicopters after the stabbing occured. At least that's how I interpreted it after watching Gimme Shelter a long time ago.
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It was during Under My Thumb.
A simple look on Google would tell anyone that if they had any interest in talking about what happened. But instead we get the usual 'it happened during SFTD' bullshit. What Mick said has nothing to do with anything, he was just talking to fill time. Nothing funny ever happened during that song that I've ever read ANYWHERE.
Regurgitating bad and ignorant press info about the death of a black man killed by the Angels is unforgivable.
The film gives the impression Under My Thumb is used to try and settle down the crowd. Sort of a unforgettable bit of footage where the camera operator is
focusing on a guy standing on the side of the stage - not very far from Mick.
This guy looked like he was about ready to "blow a gasket". The shot of him
contorting goes on for a long time until a "Angel" takes care of him in their own special way.
The film does not give "the impression Under My Thumb is used to try and settle down the crowd". That makes zero sense. Under My Thumb was played on the tour usually preceded by Love In Vain but also on some nights You Gotta Move with occasional following I'm Free and or Prodigal Son. It wasn't played to "settle down the crowd".
What is with the 'impression' in this misleadingly titled thread about the movie? First it was "makes it look as though it was during Sympathy" and now this.
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listen to the entire show (bootleg) and you know it's a brilliant show...
The snippets of soundboard we have are excellent - SFTD, UMT, GS...plus the radio broadcast which is slightly better than the audio tape.
There was also n interesting snippet on Chris M's site years ago of Stray Cat Blues from the soundboard tape....so it's definately "out there" !
Maybe not as a "From The Vaults" release...but from the bootleggers at some point in time...(wishful thinking).
The Stones could do a great box set as mentioned above by Sighunt of the MSG shows...but we know how pathetic they are of delivering something like that..
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lapaz62
The film makes it look as though it was during Sympathy.
So you haven't seen the film. Perhaps you should watch it.
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GasLightStreet
It was during Under My Thumb.
A simple look on Google would tell anyone that if they had any interest in talking about what happened. But instead we get the usual 'it happened during SFTD' bullshit. What Mick said has nothing to do with anything, he was just talking to fill time. Nothing funny ever happened during that song that I've ever read ANYWHERE.
Regurgitating bad and ignorant press info about the death of a black man killed by the Angels is unforgivable.
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The film makes it look as though it was during Sympathy.
It doesn't.
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Yes, Crossfire Hurricane was on TV a few days ago, got my films mixed up.
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Sighunt
The best gift the Stones could give us (I'm just dreaming and it is likely it will happen) is a complete soundboard 69 show (minus overdubs). I would be happy for Detroit, Baltimore, or Boston- or better yet- all the shows from MSG in one box set.
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GasLightStreet
It was during Under My Thumb.
A simple look on Google would tell anyone that if they had any interest in talking about what happened. But instead we get the usual 'it happened during SFTD' bullshit. What Mick said has nothing to do with anything, he was just talking to fill time. Nothing funny ever happened during that song that I've ever read ANYWHERE.
Regurgitating bad and ignorant press info about the death of a black man killed by the Angels is unforgivable.
The film gives the impression Under My Thumb is used to try and settle down the crowd. Sort of a unforgettable bit of footage where the camera operator is
focusing on a guy standing on the side of the stage - not very far from Mick.
This guy looked like he was about ready to "blow a gasket". The shot of him
contorting goes on for a long time until a "Angel" takes care of him in their own special way.
The film does not give "the impression Under My Thumb is used to try and settle down the crowd". That makes zero sense. Under My Thumb was played on the tour usually preceded by Love In Vain but also on some nights You Gotta Move with occasional following I'm Free and or Prodigal Son. It wasn't played to "settle down the crowd".
What is with the 'impression' in this misleadingly titled thread about the movie? First it was "makes it look as though it was during Sympathy" and now this.
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RobertJohnson
During this concert Meredith Hunter was stabbed to death. Is it right to release such an event?