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The MT "big ego" accident supposedly happened at Basing Street Studios in 72 but Herr zentgraf doesn't mention any recording session at that place that year... (or 71 or 70).

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Glyn’s son is also an engineer, quite the Wikipedia photo. He worked on the next Twin Peaks release on 9/13. Sorry if this is off track.

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The MT "big ego" accident supposedly happened at Basing Street Studios in 72 but Herr zentgraf doesn't mention any recording session at that place that year... (or 71 or 70).

I came across this grand old thread while trying to find Goats Head Soup info and I believe this incident occurred when Glyn Johns was mixing the album. Of course we know now he did mix some of the record in 1972.

Gotta agree with Andy…. Dance little sister is awful. Completely uninspired and repetitive. It sounds like it was recorded while the band was asleep.

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Gotta agree with Andy…. Dance little sister is awful. Completely uninspired and repetitive. It sounds like it was recorded while the band was asleep.

It helped a wee bit with two bridges, like they did at El Mocambo

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Gotta agree with Andy…. Dance little sister is awful. Completely uninspired and repetitive. It sounds like it was recorded while the band was asleep.

But DLS is the best track from El Mocambo! It's a lesson in rhythm guitar playing by Keith.

Mathijs

IMHO...

Sort & Curlies is pure filler.

Dance Little Sister is way too forced to be an enjoyable listen.

IORR has it's moments, but to me it's really a step down from GHS. I love Luxury (which is also fantastic on Mocambo btw) and Ain't too Proud to beg, but Fingerprint File, Short & Curlies, Dance Little Sister and IYRWTBMY don't do it for me. To me it's their weakest 70's album.

Fingerprint File, Time Waits For No One are great.Till The Next Goodbye , If You Can’t Rock Me ,Luxury, IORR, and Dance Little Sister make it a good album .Better than Emotional Rescue, Undercover, Dirty Work , and A Bigger Bang.

I know people will disagree, but IMO not having Taylor at the initial IORR sessions was a detriment. He had to overdub a lot of his parts and only played on the basic tracks of the following sessions.

They were hot off the road and it would have been beneficial to have the entire band there. The record seems a bit disjointed and less inspired at some parts.

My guess is Taylor was present for the basic tracking of these songs:

Short & Curlies (Goats sessions)

Time Waits For No One

Till The Next Goodbye

Fingerprint File

Dance Little Sister

Living In The Heart Of Love


Taylor not there:

If You Can’t Rock Me

Ain’t Too Proud To Beg

IORR (obviously)

Luxury

…Be My Friend (not sure about this)

Drift Away

Fast Talking

Slow Down And Stop

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This is a really good read. Thanks.

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Its Only Rock'n'Roll is a fav underrated diamond for me. I absolutely love this album! And Dance Little Sister is a monster Keith riff! Great excess laden feel to this album. I enjoy it better than Goats Head Soup. Some great gospel rock, hard riffs, and incredibly dark funk. And an amazing cover (to the dismay and frustration of Bowie, "one shouldn't show off a new pair of shoes to Mick..."

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Its Only Rock'n'Roll is a fav underrated diamond for me. I absolutely love this album! And Dance Little Sister is a monster Keith riff! Great excess laden feel to this album. I enjoy it better than Goats Head Soup. Some great gospel rock, hard riffs, and incredibly dark funk. And an amazing cover (to the dismay and frustration of Bowie, "one shouldn't show off a new pair of shoes to Mick..."

It's the other way around. Bowie learned of Guy Peelaert from Jagger.

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I know people will disagree, but IMO not having Taylor at the initial IORR sessions was a detriment. He had to overdub a lot of his parts and only played on the basic tracks of the following sessions.

They were hot off the road and it would have been beneficial to have the entire band there. The record seems a bit disjointed and less inspired at some parts.

My guess is Taylor was present for the basic tracking of these songs:

Short & Curlies (Goats sessions)

Time Waits For No One

Till The Next Goodbye

Fingerprint File

Dance Little Sister

Living In The Heart Of Love


Taylor not there:

If You Can’t Rock Me

Ain’t Too Proud To Beg

IORR (obviously)

Luxury

…Be My Friend (not sure about this)

Drift Away

Fast Talking

Slow Down And Stop

What about Through the Lonely Nights

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I know people will disagree, but IMO not having Taylor at the initial IORR sessions was a detriment. He had to overdub a lot of his parts and only played on the basic tracks of the following sessions.

They were hot off the road and it would have been beneficial to have the entire band there. The record seems a bit disjointed and less inspired at some parts.

My guess is Taylor was present for the basic tracking of these songs:

Short & Curlies (Goats sessions)

Time Waits For No One

Till The Next Goodbye

Fingerprint File

Dance Little Sister

Living In The Heart Of Love


Taylor not there:

If You Can’t Rock Me

Ain’t Too Proud To Beg

IORR (obviously)

Luxury

…Be My Friend (not sure about this)

Drift Away

Fast Talking

Slow Down And Stop

What about Through the Lonely Nights

That’s from the Goats sessions and MT was obviously there to track that gorgeous song.

Yes, you're correct! My aging memory and dyslexia reversed the story! LOL.

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I know people will disagree, but IMO not having Taylor at the initial IORR sessions was a detriment. He had to overdub a lot of his parts and only played on the basic tracks of the following sessions.

They were hot off the road and it would have been beneficial to have the entire band there. The record seems a bit disjointed and less inspired at some parts.

My guess is Taylor was present for the basic tracking of these songs:

Short & Curlies (Goats sessions)

Time Waits For No One

Till The Next Goodbye

Fingerprint File

Dance Little Sister

Living In The Heart Of Love


Taylor not there:

If You Can’t Rock Me

Ain’t Too Proud To Beg

IORR (obviously)

Luxury

…Be My Friend (not sure about this)

Drift Away

Fast Talking

Slow Down And Stop

Taylor was not present at the Munich sessions of November 1973 and the first session of February 1974. He likely only was present for the live takes of Dance Little Sister, Till The Next Goodbye, Short & Curlies, Fingerprint File and Living in the Heart of Love. He did all his (lead) overdubs at Island Studio London, 20 -25 May 1974 with Andy Johns. And according to Andy, all his solo's were first or second takes....

Mathijs

Andy Johns said he wasn’t familiar with Time Waits For No One, so I think that was done with Harwood or the mobile.

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Andy Johns said he wasn’t familiar with Time Waits For No One, so I think that was done with Harwood or the mobile.

Mmmm...I need to find the statement then. Maybe it was Taylor who stated he did the solo in an overdub. Could swear it was Johns...

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Andy Johns said he wasn’t familiar with Time Waits For No One, so I think that was done with Harwood or the mobile.

Mmmm...I need to find the statement then. Maybe it was Taylor who stated he did the solo in an overdub. Could swear it was Johns...

Mathijs

Well, I do know Taylor said If You Really Want To Be My Friend was an overdub. He said something like they had a place for a solo and he dubbed it in.

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Andy Johns said he wasn’t familiar with Time Waits For No One, so I think that was done with Harwood or the mobile.

Mmmm...I need to find the statement then. Maybe it was Taylor who stated he did the solo in an overdub. Could swear it was Johns...

Mathijs

Well, I do know Taylor said If You Really Want To Be My Friend was an overdub. He said something like they had a place for a solo and he dubbed it in.

After the solo,don’t you hear Taylor playing throughout the sonng to the end?Was that also an overdub?



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Yes, he plays throughout after the solo (in the left channel). My guess is that this is the same overdub take as the solo, but that the guitar track was highlighted in the center channel while he was soloing.

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Andy Johns said he wasn’t familiar with Time Waits For No One, so I think that was done with Harwood or the mobile.

Mmmm...I need to find the statement then. Maybe it was Taylor who stated he did the solo in an overdub. Could swear it was Johns...

Mathijs

Well, I do know Taylor said If You Really Want To Be My Friend was an overdub. He said something like they had a place for a solo and he dubbed it in.

If You Can't Rock Me, Time Waits, IYRWTBMY, S&C, and even FF all sound very much like finished songs with a Taylor solo put on top. Ain't Too Proud, IORR and Luxury are without Taylor -so the majority of sessions seemed to have been without Taylor.

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Andy Johns said he wasn’t familiar with Time Waits For No One, so I think that was done with Harwood or the mobile.

Mmmm...I need to find the statement then. Maybe it was Taylor who stated he did the solo in an overdub. Could swear it was Johns...

Mathijs

Well, I do know Taylor said If You Really Want To Be My Friend was an overdub. He said something like they had a place for a solo and he dubbed it in.

After the solo,don’t you hear Taylor playing throughout the sonng to the end?Was that also an overdub?

Yes, they probably just ran an entire track for him.

I'd have to listen again, but IIRC there is a guitar with an octave effect as well. I don't know if this is his same guitar as the solo.

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Andy Johns said he wasn’t familiar with Time Waits For No One, so I think that was done with Harwood or the mobile.

Mmmm...I need to find the statement then. Maybe it was Taylor who stated he did the solo in an overdub. Could swear it was Johns...

Mathijs

Well, I do know Taylor said If You Really Want To Be My Friend was an overdub. He said something like they had a place for a solo and he dubbed it in.

If You Can't Rock Me, Time Waits, IYRWTBMY, S&C, and even FF all sound very much like finished songs with a Taylor solo put on top. Ain't Too Proud, IORR and Luxury are without Taylor -so the majority of sessions seemed to have been without Taylor.

Mathijs

I thought Richards plays the lead/solos on Short & Curlies and Fingerprint File.

I think Time Waits For No One was done at the first sessions with Taylor, or at least worked on extensively later. The mobile engineer Tapani Talo recalled tracking Time Waits For No One so that would mean work was done back in England.

The best one (on that album) - for a guitar solo, anyway - is Time Waits for No One, which is the first song we recorded for It's Only Rock 'N Roll. We hadn't seen each other for about 3 months, and it was done in one or two takes. We had done a bit of a layoff because we'd finished an American tour (sic), and everybody went to different parts of the globe and had a rest. I went to Brazil, which is possibly why there is a little Latin influence there.

- Mick Taylor, 1979


He probably meant the first one he recorded with them since he missed the initial sessions. At least that's my guess. I think he contributed heavily to that song as even Richards said it got taken up by other members of the band, but was his riff.

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Andy Johns said he wasn’t familiar with Time Waits For No One, so I think that was done with Harwood or the mobile.

Mmmm...I need to find the statement then. Maybe it was Taylor who stated he did the solo in an overdub. Could swear it was Johns...

Mathijs

Well, I do know Taylor said If You Really Want To Be My Friend was an overdub. He said something like they had a place for a solo and he dubbed it in.

If You Can't Rock Me, Time Waits, IYRWTBMY, S&C, and even FF all sound very much like finished songs with a Taylor solo put on top. Ain't Too Proud, IORR and Luxury are without Taylor -so the majority of sessions seemed to have been without Taylor.

Mathijs

I thought Richards plays the lead/solos on Short & Curlies and Fingerprint File.

I think Time Waits For No One was done at the first sessions with Taylor, or at least worked on extensively later. The mobile engineer Tapani Talo recalled tracking Time Waits For No One so that would mean work was done back in England.

The best one (on that album) - for a guitar solo, anyway - is Time Waits for No One, which is the first song we recorded for It's Only Rock 'N Roll. We hadn't seen each other for about 3 months, and it was done in one or two takes. We had done a bit of a layoff because we'd finished an American tour (sic), and everybody went to different parts of the globe and had a rest. I went to Brazil, which is possibly why there is a little Latin influence there.

- Mick Taylor, 1979


He probably meant the first one he recorded with them since he missed the initial sessions. At least that's my guess. I think he contributed heavily to that song as even Richards said it got taken up by other members of the band, but was his riff.

Keith plays his lick (the Dm/Am/F/C/Am/Em/F/G-parts) and rhythm on the verses and Taylor's solos + sings throughout the track, so I'm not sure what he means here.



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Andy Johns said he wasn’t familiar with Time Waits For No One, so I think that was done with Harwood or the mobile.

Mmmm...I need to find the statement then. Maybe it was Taylor who stated he did the solo in an overdub. Could swear it was Johns...

Mathijs

Well, I do know Taylor said If You Really Want To Be My Friend was an overdub. He said something like they had a place for a solo and he dubbed it in.

If You Can't Rock Me, Time Waits, IYRWTBMY, S&C, and even FF all sound very much like finished songs with a Taylor solo put on top. Ain't Too Proud, IORR and Luxury are without Taylor -so the majority of sessions seemed to have been without Taylor.

Mathijs

I thought Richards plays the lead/solos on Short & Curlies and Fingerprint File.

I think Time Waits For No One was done at the first sessions with Taylor, or at least worked on extensively later. The mobile engineer Tapani Talo recalled tracking Time Waits For No One so that would mean work was done back in England.

The best one (on that album) - for a guitar solo, anyway - is Time Waits for No One, which is the first song we recorded for It's Only Rock 'N Roll. We hadn't seen each other for about 3 months, and it was done in one or two takes. We had done a bit of a layoff because we'd finished an American tour (sic), and everybody went to different parts of the globe and had a rest. I went to Brazil, which is possibly why there is a little Latin influence there.

- Mick Taylor, 1979


He probably meant the first one he recorded with them since he missed the initial sessions. At least that's my guess. I think he contributed heavily to that song as even Richards said it got taken up by other members of the band, but was his riff.

Keith plays his lick (the Dm/Am/F/C/Am/Em/F/G-parts) and rhythm on the verses and Taylor's solos + sings throughout the track, so I'm not sure what he means here.

I think he played the riff/rhythm like you said and Taylor played the other guitars. According to Richards in a 1974 interview, Jagger did all the vocals by himself and Richards came in afterwards to do backing vocals.

He said the same about CYHTM where it was his riff and got turned into something else.

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Andy Johns said he wasn’t familiar with Time Waits For No One, so I think that was done with Harwood or the mobile.

Mmmm...I need to find the statement then. Maybe it was Taylor who stated he did the solo in an overdub. Could swear it was Johns...

Mathijs

Well, I do know Taylor said If You Really Want To Be My Friend was an overdub. He said something like they had a place for a solo and he dubbed it in.

If You Can't Rock Me, Time Waits, IYRWTBMY, S&C, and even FF all sound very much like finished songs with a Taylor solo put on top. Ain't Too Proud, IORR and Luxury are without Taylor -so the majority of sessions seemed to have been without Taylor.

Mathijs

I thought Richards plays the lead/solos on Short & Curlies and Fingerprint File.

I think Time Waits For No One was done at the first sessions with Taylor, or at least worked on extensively later. The mobile engineer Tapani Talo recalled tracking Time Waits For No One so that would mean work was done back in England.

The best one (on that album) - for a guitar solo, anyway - is Time Waits for No One, which is the first song we recorded for It's Only Rock 'N Roll. We hadn't seen each other for about 3 months, and it was done in one or two takes. We had done a bit of a layoff because we'd finished an American tour (sic), and everybody went to different parts of the globe and had a rest. I went to Brazil, which is possibly why there is a little Latin influence there.

- Mick Taylor, 1979


He probably meant the first one he recorded with them since he missed the initial sessions. At least that's my guess. I think he contributed heavily to that song as even Richards said it got taken up by other members of the band, but was his riff.

Taylor plays the slide on Short & Curlies, and it also sounds like an overdub to me.

To me, many of the Taylor parts on IORR are 'on top additions', they are not an integral part of the song. Like on TWFOO, it seems this track was fully developed, with multiple electric guitars and an acoustic by Keith, synths, percussion, piano etc., and then Taylor did a lead overdub on top. Taylor's statement on TWFNO is a bit strange, as are most of his statements by the way. He states it was 'the first one recorded for IORR', but he had missed the sessions in November and February 1973.

When you really dissect the parts of the IORR album it appears like Taylor's parts where just about all overdubs. We know things had happened that caused a huge rift between Richards and Taylor in 1972 and 1973, and it appears that Taylor did not spent much time with the entire band in a studio in 1974. I think Taylor felt quite ousted from the band throughout 1974, leading to his decision to leave.

Mathijs

I don’t think the slide on S&C sounds like an overdub. The lead guitar does however.

According to everything I’ve read, Taylor was at the second batch of Musicland sessions, plus he used the Hi Fly guitar synth which is all over the record.

I think his comment regarding TWFNO referred to being the first song he worked on for the album.

Richards had very complementary things to say about Taylor in 1974, so not sure I can say anything definitive about their relationship except it was apparent Jagger and Richards weren’t writing together the way they used to, while Taylor was working with Jagger. Taylor said he and Jagger worked hard to finish that album. These are quotes from the time and not ten or twenty years later.

Richards (summer 1974): "I had to work like that because we were all trying to let Mick T. find himself within the band. I mean, only now is he really starting to blossom, I think. It's going to be really interesting to watch over the next few months.“

<plus he used the Hi Fly guitar synth which is all over the record>

Keith used the Hi Fly quite a lot as well. Easy to hear on TWFNO, for instance.

Btw, I think it's hard to tell who's playing the acoustic guitar on TWFNO.



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