My stupid ears. They lied to me and told me the GHS sounded best on a Japanese SHM CD. I sat there and listened and had a whole new experience with what I always considered a jumble of an album. Now it sounds like a soul experience. Coming Down Again indeed. Damn my ears!!!

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Mathijs, are you refering to the version on CD 2 on the GHS Super Deluxe?

In that case it's actually the white writing against the yellow background that confuse us as Jagger's name is written above the others. I missed it too but thought it odd that Charlie, bless him, would play guitar on the track

If I refer to the wrong version I apologize

The 'Outtake III' is a real outtake, I think that one was posted here on IORR first. The 'Hide Your Love – Alternative Mix' is from the Deluxe official release.

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The deluxe take is a different version.

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The deluxe take is a different version.

I wonder what the Deluxe version really is -it sounds more like a live take or rehearsal than a studio demo.

According to Nico Zentgraf Outtake III is from an acetate.

Mathijs

I can't find the info, it may've been here, I checked a couple of things I have but keep going back to the "alternative version" of Hide Your Love is (supposedly) from the 1973 LA sessions.

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I can't find the info, it may've been here, I checked a couple of things I have but keep going back to the "alternative version" of Hide Your Love is (supposedly) from the 1973 LA sessions.

Could also be from the Rotterdam Rehearsals, Taylor's solo's on these rehearsals are remarkebly close to the 'alternative version' and the lyrics and structure are fully developed.

Mathijs

By the way, I never listened to these Rotterdam Rehearsals much due to the sound quality. But Captain Acid's 'Rotterdam Rehearsals 1973_Acid Project 067' is actually a really nice listen, much improved over anything else available.

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I was listening to Hide Your Love with headphones, and heard a guitar in the right channel for the first time! It comes in round 2:04 and does a classic Keith lick round 3:36.

The baritone sax comes in at 2:04

That blues lick at 3:36 sounds like a classic Taylor Bluesbreakers lick. It might have been from his original take.

Listen to how that lick ends, and you'll hear it's not Taylor.

I didn't mean the sax, there's also a rhythm guitar entering at 2:04.

I think all guitars are by Jagger and Taylor, I doubt Keith did a guitar overdub, he did overdub the bass.

Mathijs

A little more audible on this mix:
[youtu.be]

It does sound like Keith.
At the end of the song too.

Indeed.

There’s the 'Hide Your Love outtake III': this is a different, earlier mix than the official version, now with the second guitar louder in the mix. This indeed is Richards, with his Les Paul Junior. So he did play guitar on the track!

Also never noticed before that on all versions it is Jagger on piano, but 'Hide Your Love – Alternative Mix on the official Deluxe version has Ian Stewart on piano, Jagger on rhythm guitar and Taylor lead guitar.

Mathijs

Yeah, you guys are right. The very end it is really obvious. A track where Richards is buried and not Taylor—a true anomaly.

So Richards probably went back and overdubbed bass when Wyman was out, maybe due to the robbery.

I always thought the bass sounded like an overdub and not entirely locked in. This makes a lot of sense.



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I can't find the info, it may've been here, I checked a couple of things I have but keep going back to the "alternative version" of Hide Your Love is (supposedly) from the 1973 LA sessions.

Could also be from the Rotterdam Rehearsals, Taylor's solo's on these rehearsals are remarkebly close to the 'alternative version' and the lyrics and structure are fully developed.

Mathijs

Interesting. I always figured it was from Sticky Fingers

Day 8 of the album's thread!! Today we take a look at the released sessions from Goats Head Soup. A vast array of funk, blues, soul and a lot more. What are your favorite tracks from the sessions?

Dancing With Mr. D
100 Years Ago
Coming Down Again
Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
Angie
Silver Train
Hide Your Love
Winter
Can You Hear the Music
Star Star
Through the Lonely Nights
Short and Curlies
Tops
Waiting on a Friend
All the Rage
Criss Cross
Come to the Ball

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Day 8 of the album's thread!! Today we take a look at the released sessions from Goats Head Soup. A vast array of funk, blues, soul and a lot more. What are your favorite tracks from the sessions?

Dancing With Mr. D
100 Years Ago
Coming Down Again
Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
Angie
Silver Train
Hide Your Love
Winter
Can You Hear the Music
Star Star
Through the Lonely Nights
Short and Curlies
Tops
Waiting on a Friend
All the Rage
Criss Cross
Come to the Ball

Throw in Separately, and leftovers Hillside Blues and Travelin Man outtakes and that would be an excellent double album



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I can't find the info, it may've been here, I checked a couple of things I have but keep going back to the "alternative version" of Hide Your Love is (supposedly) from the 1973 LA sessions.

Could also be from the Rotterdam Rehearsals, Taylor's solo's on these rehearsals are remarkebly close to the 'alternative version' and the lyrics and structure are fully developed.

Mathijs

Interesting. I always figured it was from Sticky Fingers

I stand corrected, all versions available are from the same two days in May 1973 Olympic sessions.

Mathijs

Found this interesting on Reddit:

Tech geek fact.

Jimmy Miller told me (in person) that Mick was so distracted with Bianca's first pregnancy that he failed to show up much on these studio sessions. So the Stones laid down the music for Angie without him around and crucially, without checking it was a good key for him to sing. So when it came to vocals Mick couldn't reach the high notes so they slowed the tape down for him to reach them.

Afterwards, they sped the tape back up faster to normal speed.

(That was a musical taste decision call, to have a sluggish slow motion band sound or to have a sightly helium sounding lead vocal)

That's why Micks vocal sounds "little boy-ish" (or chipmonk like) for me it adds a bizzare emotive twist to the song, making the vocal sound more "imploring"

Because of all these studio shenanigans, Angie has a totally unique sound . IMHO.


Pretty interesting considering the tape speed discussion we've had about Can You Hear The Music

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Found this interesting on Reddit:

Tech geek fact.

Jimmy Miller told me (in person) that Mick was so distracted with Bianca's first pregnancy that he failed to show up much on these studio sessions. So the Stones laid down the music for Angie without him around and crucially, without checking it was a good key for him to sing. So when it came to vocals Mick couldn't reach the high notes so they slowed the tape down for him to reach them.

Afterwards, they sped the tape back up faster to normal speed.

(That was a musical taste decision call, to have a sluggish slow motion band sound or to have a sightly helium sounding lead vocal)

That's why Micks vocal sounds "little boy-ish" (or chipmonk like) for me it adds a bizzare emotive twist to the song, making the vocal sound more "imploring"

Because of all these studio shenanigans, Angie has a totally unique sound . IMHO.


Pretty interesting considering the tape speed discussion we've had about Can You Hear The Music

He sings live on the official video and has no problem reaching the high notes.

Mick's live vocal is audible throughout the song in the bleed through. Some people must've been heavy on the tranq.

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Found this interesting on Reddit:

Tech geek fact.

Jimmy Miller told me (in person) that Mick was so distracted with Bianca's first pregnancy that he failed to show up much on these studio sessions. So the Stones laid down the music for Angie without him around and crucially, without checking it was a good key for him to sing. So when it came to vocals Mick couldn't reach the high notes so they slowed the tape down for him to reach them.

Afterwards, they sped the tape back up faster to normal speed.

(That was a musical taste decision call, to have a sluggish slow motion band sound or to have a sightly helium sounding lead vocal)

That's why Micks vocal sounds "little boy-ish" (or chipmonk like) for me it adds a bizzare emotive twist to the song, making the vocal sound more "imploring"

Because of all these studio shenanigans, Angie has a totally unique sound . IMHO.


Pretty interesting considering the tape speed discussion we've had about Can You Hear The Music

Reddit, X, TikTok - none of those are credible.

So, not pretty interesting. Not even kinda interesting.

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Found this interesting on Reddit:

Tech geek fact.

Jimmy Miller told me (in person) that Mick was so distracted with Bianca's first pregnancy that he failed to show up much on these studio sessions. So the Stones laid down the music for Angie without him around and crucially, without checking it was a good key for him to sing. So when it came to vocals Mick couldn't reach the high notes so they slowed the tape down for him to reach them.

Afterwards, they sped the tape back up faster to normal speed.

(That was a musical taste decision call, to have a sluggish slow motion band sound or to have a sightly helium sounding lead vocal)

That's why Micks vocal sounds "little boy-ish" (or chipmonk like) for me it adds a bizzare emotive twist to the song, making the vocal sound more "imploring"

Because of all these studio shenanigans, Angie has a totally unique sound . IMHO.


Pretty interesting considering the tape speed discussion we've had about Can You Hear The Music

Reddit, X, TikTok - none of those are credible.

So, not pretty interesting. Not even kinda interesting.

Thanks for your input.

I actually tracked the comment back to Gearspace:

I met the songs producer Jimmy Miller only once, but during that (thrilling for me) meeting he told me a funny story about that song (cause I asked him for any funny recording stories he might have of the Stones (my fave band))

Recording in Paris, with a very pregnant wife (Bianca) , it was hard to keep Jagger in the studio for any significant duration. As soon as Bianca called with a twinge in her tummy, Mick was outta there - rushing to get to Bianca's bedside.. Under those conditions the normal checking of the ideal key for this tune "Angie' - was overlooked. When Mick finally was in the studio, it was discovered that the fully completed track awaiting Micks vocals - was in too HIGH a key for Mick to sing to.

- So they vari sped the tape down a bit (like a semi tone) so he could hit the high notes. Jagger sang two takes of it - and the phone rang - Bianca again! (and he was off...) Jimmy Miller had to comp the two takes to get the lead vocal. Thats all he could do.. The album was suffering from 'missing singer itus' heh

Having done the vocal comp, a compromise was required.

either

a) keep the tape slowed down, with the whole backing track sounding 'slow motion' or 'sluggish' but retaining the perfect timbre vocals.

or

b) speed it back up again - retaining the bands timing and sonically crisp timber, and suffer a slight 'Alvin and the Chipmunks' hi sounding vocal.

They chose b.

And you can hear that Jagger's voice on that song sounds oddly 'small', delicate, like a little boys in places.

But it was a gamble that worked - it was a huge hit.

So yeah, that’s actually a legit producer and founder of the site who said that. Keep up the good work, sport. [www.discogs.com]



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Reddit, X, TikTok - none of those are credible.

Except if you consider the content and how unlikely it would be for someone to make up such a story, that in itself makes it seem more credible.

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Found this interesting on Reddit:

Tech geek fact.

Jimmy Miller told me (in person) that Mick was so distracted with Bianca's first pregnancy that he failed to show up much on these studio sessions. So the Stones laid down the music for Angie without him around and crucially, without checking it was a good key for him to sing. So when it came to vocals Mick couldn't reach the high notes so they slowed the tape down for him to reach them.

Afterwards, they sped the tape back up faster to normal speed.

(That was a musical taste decision call, to have a sluggish slow motion band sound or to have a sightly helium sounding lead vocal)

That's why Micks vocal sounds "little boy-ish" (or chipmonk like) for me it adds a bizzare emotive twist to the song, making the vocal sound more "imploring"

Because of all these studio shenanigans, Angie has a totally unique sound . IMHO.


Pretty interesting considering the tape speed discussion we've had about Can You Hear The Music

Reddit, X, TikTok - none of those are credible.

So, not pretty interesting. Not even kinda interesting.

Thanks for your input.

I actually tracked the comment back to Gearspace:

I met the songs producer Jimmy Miller only once, but during that (thrilling for me) meeting he told me a funny story about that song (cause I asked him for any funny recording stories he might have of the Stones (my fave band))

Recording in Paris, with a very pregnant wife (Bianca) , it was hard to keep Jagger in the studio for any significant duration. As soon as Bianca called with a twinge in her tummy, Mick was outta there - rushing to get to Bianca's bedside.. Under those conditions the normal checking of the ideal key for this tune "Angie' - was overlooked. When Mick finally was in the studio, it was discovered that the fully completed track awaiting Micks vocals - was in too HIGH a key for Mick to sing to.

- So they vari sped the tape down a bit (like a semi tone) so he could hit the high notes. Jagger sang two takes of it - and the phone rang - Bianca again! (and he was off...) Jimmy Miller had to comp the two takes to get the lead vocal. Thats all he could do.. The album was suffering from 'missing singer itus' heh

Having done the vocal comp, a compromise was required.

either

a) keep the tape slowed down, with the whole backing track sounding 'slow motion' or 'sluggish' but retaining the perfect timbre vocals.

or

b) speed it back up again - retaining the bands timing and sonically crisp timber, and suffer a slight 'Alvin and the Chipmunks' hi sounding vocal.

They chose b.

And you can hear that Jagger's voice on that song sounds oddly 'small', delicate, like a little boys in places.

But it was a gamble that worked - it was a huge hit.

So yeah, that’s actually a legit producer and founder of the site who said that. Keep up the good work, sport. [www.discogs.com]

There's no reason to look up anything spewed on reddit or invented on TikTok. Don't be pissy because people didn't believe you. So you managed to find that it was from a legit source - congratulations.

Except for one thing:

Angie was recorded in Kingston, JA, not Paris, France.

Fake news, champ.



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Oh, I'm doing just fine. You have obviously been bothered by this enough to come back and post about it again days later. If you don't believe it, fine. You could have moved on. Instead you decided to get mad about it and tell everyone how uninterested you are. I'm not sure why everyone is so tightly wound on this site, it's strange.

Regardless, wasn't Bianca in France? Could have been misremembering a minor detail 20 years later, and that wasn't even included in the much more recent post. It was shared by a legitimate person and he has no reason to make it up.

Plenty of credible people post on X, TikTok, and Reddit. They even post here *gasp* and include primary sources.

It's fascinating that someone would believe something like that.

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Wrong part of the world. Wrong year.

A minor was "too high" for Mick to sing to?

Nashville tuning? Wrong song.

None of that makes you curious about that fake post? Nor that it's the only thing on the www that says such nonsense?

My initial opinion was that it could be a different song. Perhaps Jimmy Miller misremembered; he was with the band for over half a decade. You'' notice I never said I thought the entire story was accurate, however, I do believe the person posting it is genuine and that conversation with Jimmy Miller happened.

I just thought it was interesting because, as I said in the post: Pretty interesting considering the tape speed discussion we've had about Can You Hear The Music

I don't know Jagger's vocal range off the top of my head, but I do know songs were played in lower keys live, like Star Star. I always thought that was a weird song to record in F and then play live in E. At least I think it’s in E at Mocombo



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My initial opinion was that it could be a different song. Perhaps Jimmy Miller misremembered; he was with the band for over half a decade. You'' notice I never said I thought the entire story was accurate, however, I do believe the person posting it is genuine and that conversation with Jimmy Miller happened.

I just thought it was interesting because, as I said in the post: Pretty interesting considering the tape speed discussion we've had about Can You Hear The Music

I don't know Jagger's vocal range off the top of my head, but I do know songs were played in lower keys live, like Star Star. I always thought that was a weird song to record in F and then play live in E. At least I think it’s in E at Mocombo

Sister Morphine is in A minor. The Stones have done songs in many keys, all of which Mick has been able to sing in.

Some songs have been changed for live performances but that's most likely because they're easier to play, like IORR, not because Mick couldn't sing in whatever key.

They could play Star Star in any key. No matter what key Mick will probably do his talk-sing regardless so no key necessary.

Angry in 2024 it probably should've been lowered because Mick was flat the entire tour. One Hit in 1989 he was off. It happens.

In the studio.... no. Time to get it right. Angie - he was there for the tracking session - you can hear him singing live in the background of the LP version. That "story" is not about Angie. That's absolutely bizarre someone would post something so full of errors. That fake news was in 2006 in a forum - now it's "look for yourself" on TikTok - neither are reliable or truthful.

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My initial opinion was that it could be a different song. Perhaps Jimmy Miller misremembered; he was with the band for over half a decade. You'' notice I never said I thought the entire story was accurate, however, I do believe the person posting it is genuine and that conversation with Jimmy Miller happened.

I just thought it was interesting because, as I said in the post: Pretty interesting considering the tape speed discussion we've had about Can You Hear The Music

I don't know Jagger's vocal range off the top of my head, but I do know songs were played in lower keys live, like Star Star. I always thought that was a weird song to record in F and then play live in E. At least I think it’s in E at Mocombo

Maybe the person, or even J Miller is misremembering, but it seems that Jagger can handle that range pretty well. On the Symphony album they do 'Angie' with the London Symphonic, and he hits those high sections. You can tell that he still would have more in the tank, if needed.
It's an interesting point though; I have often wondered why they don't change the key on certain songs for live versions. 'Rox Off' and 'Anybody seen my Baby' being the main offenders IMO.
But I'd be repeating myself. I have said this before.
Do you work in a studio T-Man?

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My initial opinion was that it could be a different song. Perhaps Jimmy Miller misremembered; he was with the band for over half a decade. You'' notice I never said I thought the entire story was accurate, however, I do believe the person posting it is genuine and that conversation with Jimmy Miller happened.

I just thought it was interesting because, as I said in the post: Pretty interesting considering the tape speed discussion we've had about Can You Hear The Music

I don't know Jagger's vocal range off the top of my head, but I do know songs were played in lower keys live, like Star Star. I always thought that was a weird song to record in F and then play live in E. At least I think it’s in E at Mocombo

Maybe the person, or even J Miller is misremembering, but it seems that Jagger can handle that range pretty well. On the Symphony album they do 'Angie' with the London Symphonic, and he hits those high sections. You can tell that he still would have more in the tank, if needed.
It's an interesting point though; I have often wondered why they don't change the key on certain songs for live versions. 'Rox Off' and 'Anybody seen my Baby' being the main offenders IMO.
But I'd be repeating myself. I have said this before.
Do you work in a studio T-Man?

I do work full time in a studio as an engineer and an educator.

I was merely sharing the post as a discussion starter because I find it intriguing. The Jimmy Miller era is my favorite era and there isn’t much out there of him discussing the Stones.



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My initial opinion was that it could be a different song. Perhaps Jimmy Miller misremembered; he was with the band for over half a decade. You'' notice I never said I thought the entire story was accurate, however, I do believe the person posting it is genuine and that conversation with Jimmy Miller happened.

I just thought it was interesting because, as I said in the post: Pretty interesting considering the tape speed discussion we've had about Can You Hear The Music

I don't know Jagger's vocal range off the top of my head, but I do know songs were played in lower keys live, like Star Star. I always thought that was a weird song to record in F and then play live in E. At least I think it’s in E at Mocombo

Sister Morphine is in A minor. The Stones have done songs in many keys, all of which Mick has been able to sing in.

Some songs have been changed for live performances but that's most likely because they're easier to play, like IORR, not because Mick couldn't sing in whatever key.

They could play Star Star in any key. No matter what key Mick will probably do his talk-sing regardless so no key necessary.

Angry in 2024 it probably should've been lowered because Mick was flat the entire tour. One Hit in 1989 he was off. It happens.

In the studio.... no. Time to get it right. Angie - he was there for the tracking session - you can hear him singing live in the background of the LP version. That "story" is not about Angie. That's absolutely bizarre someone would post something so full of errors. That fake news was in 2006 in a forum - now it's "look for yourself" on TikTok - neither are reliable or truthful.

The person who posted it might not be as obsessed with the Stones as us. Most people aren’t.

I believe the song is probably Can You Hear The Music. Listen to all the varispeed manipulation: there are sped up, high pitched vocals and also pitched down vocals. According to a poster here, the entire backing track is slowed down. He’s correct, listen to the cymbal tone.

I can sing in any key, and I’m not a singer! It’s a matter of preference concerning the melody one wishes to sing.



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The person who posted it might not be as obsessed with the Stones as us. Most people aren’t.

I believe the song is probably Can You Hear The Music. Listen to all the varispeed manipulation: there are sped up, high pitched vocals and also pitched down vocals. According to a poster here, the entire backing track is slowed down. He’s correct, listen to the cymbal tone.

Here's what's so bizarre about that forum post:

Bianca was pregnant and had Jade October 21, 1971 in Paris.

The Rolling Stones did not record in Paris in 1971.

The rest is obvious.

Oh I agree, the details are off. It was when they were recording in France that Jagger would nip off. That’s well known to be true.

As for Angie, from Rob Fraboni, take it for what it’s worth:

“In two weeks, we cut seven songs on a 2-inch, 16 track. Some were re-cut from Jamaica,” Rob recalls. He noted that the chart-topping “ Angie,” was on a one-inch eight track and cut at Olympic Studios in London where the album was eventually mixed.

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Oh I agree, the details are off. It was when they were recording in France that Jagger would nip off. That’s well known to be true.

As for Angie, from Rob Fraboni, take it for what it’s worth:

“In two weeks, we cut seven songs on a 2-inch, 16 track. Some were re-cut from Jamaica,” Rob recalls. He noted that the chart-topping “ Angie,” was on a one-inch eight track and cut at Olympic Studios in London where the album was eventually mixed.

Fraboni isn't credited for GHS at all nor, like anyone else, TY.

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Oh I agree, the details are off. It was when they were recording in France that Jagger would nip off. That’s well known to be true.

As for Angie, from Rob Fraboni, take it for what it’s worth:

“In two weeks, we cut seven songs on a 2-inch, 16 track. Some were re-cut from Jamaica,” Rob recalls. He noted that the chart-topping “ Angie,” was on a one-inch eight track and cut at Olympic Studios in London where the album was eventually mixed.

Fraboni isn't credited for GHS at all nor, like anyone else, TY.

He was the house engineer at Village, so he was there but didn’t actively work on the album. That was Baker Bigsby.