Tell Me :
Talk
Agreed. However, if Brian was indeed murdered, it seems a shame for the end of
his life to be labeled: "he drowned in his own pool while intoxicated". The
label is all to convenient and a slap to Brian's legacy.
I seem to recall reading that Brian was indeed drinking and taking sleeping pills that tragic day. Although not the best source here is a pretty detailed article about the circumstances surrounding his death.
[www.dailymail.co.uk]
A lot of celebrities lately, seem to die in very mysterious ways for no good reason.
I'm not into conspiracy's but when you look into the details of some so called overdoses and suicides. Well they don't add up, and its happening more frequently.
I sometimes wonder if it was the same in the sixties. The powers that be needed to stop love and free will. Imagine a world without being slaves to money and realizing we have nothing to fear except fear itself. No no we cant have that.
All the good people that spread the word of love, oneness and free will seem to check out a bit early for my liking..
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-05 02:15 by keefriffhards.
Are you suggesting that Keylock conspired with Thorogood to murder Brian? Definitely a possibility but the theory has been discussed before and like such other theories the evidence is circumstantial.
I never read what Brian's intoxication level actually was but recall Anna W. saying Brian had been drinking and taking sleeping pills and Janet Lawson testified that she had told Brian and Frank they were in no condition to go swimming. That along with the brandy, vodka, whiskey and prescription bottles the cops found when they arrived lead me to believe he was a bit more intoxicated than one or two beers.Brian had a pretty high tolerance and I doubt Ms. Lawson would have made such a comment unless she saw visible indications of him being somewhat out of it or she was somehow coerced into such testimony.
My comments about Jagger trying to get to the bottom of it were from a Mick interview I recently read where he specifically was asked about Brians death and uncharacteristically responding in some detail about him trying to find out as much as possible shortly after he found out, basically concluding that he got nowhere. I wish I could remember the source, I will post it if I do.
Stoned is to Life as Brian is to Keith
Thanks with sssoul. Hard to say if that would have been considered intoxicated for someone like Brian but it does make me wonder what is a "normal" level of an amphetamine like substance in someone's blood is. I recall they found "black bombers" in thorogoods possession at the time which he says he was holding for Brian so he didn't take too many of them. Doesn't sound like he was taking that job too seriously......
I don't think i have ever seen a picture of Brian looking over weight.
I personally think he was murdered, but i do love a conspiracy theory lol.
Meaning
Brian's American "Ruby Tuesday" gold disc was found stashed in a closet at Apple
records. Once discovered was then given to one of the Beatles drivers, I assume, as payment. This was latter sold at a UK Christies auction and consigned by the
driver. Tom Keylock, I belive, also worked for the Beatles.
In later photos you can see he's developing a tummy. I think Green Lady's hypothesis makes sense.
Talk about your favorite band.
For information about how to use this forum please check out forum help and policies.
the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
buttons67
()
Date: August 4, 2015 20:20
watched this film twice, something about it i liked, but not sure about its validity to the truth, brian was portrayed as a complete ass, and i didnt get the relationship between him, the builder and keylock, so again not sure if these people were played properly in relation to thier true selves.
can anyone shed a light on what is truth and fiction and do people think that he was actually murdered by thorogood who became frustrated by brians teasing and non payment for building work done or was there something more sinister in it.
can anyone shed a light on what is truth and fiction and do people think that he was actually murdered by thorogood who became frustrated by brians teasing and non payment for building work done or was there something more sinister in it.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
Naturalust
()
Date: August 4, 2015 20:42
More sinister than murder? This has been discussed at some length here in past years and I doubt anyone is going to provide the absolute truth you are looking for. People like Jagger himself tried to get to the bottom of it right after it happened as have many others. Pretty sure all the information that will every come to light has and you will have to make up your own mind from the pieces that make sense to you.
Personally I believe it was an accident caused by Thorogoods rough play in the pool with an extremely intoxicated Brian. I doubt his intention was murder but believe the true facts were covered up and will never be known. Frank's deathbed confession arguably was an important clue that I tend to believe, but like I said, I doubt it was intentional.
I think Brian alive represented a greater potential golden goose for both Keylock and Thorogood. But it is telling, imo that the two people who were there who could shed any truth to the situation (Thorogood and Anna Wohlin) both claimed he was killed by Thorogood.
Personally I believe it was an accident caused by Thorogoods rough play in the pool with an extremely intoxicated Brian. I doubt his intention was murder but believe the true facts were covered up and will never be known. Frank's deathbed confession arguably was an important clue that I tend to believe, but like I said, I doubt it was intentional.
I think Brian alive represented a greater potential golden goose for both Keylock and Thorogood. But it is telling, imo that the two people who were there who could shed any truth to the situation (Thorogood and Anna Wohlin) both claimed he was killed by Thorogood.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
swimtothemoon
()
Date: August 5, 2015 00:39
Yes, for me, there are many things which point to some sort of cover up. One
being, Keylock burned all Brian's possesions latter that night. He stated this
was Brian's wish. In the midst of a police investigation into Brian's death
this should never have been allowed. Maybe this was a coverup for theft and might explain the motivation for murder? I also find it suspicious that Keylock
Was the only witness to Thorogood's deathbed confession.
I should review the facts, as I could be wrong, but I thought tests performed on
Brian showed he was not intoxicated that night. Anna Wohlin had stated in her book that Brian was getting off the drugs and drink.
Actually I never considered the "rough play" therory as suggested by Naturalist.
This seems very possible. Brian drowning on his own does not seem likely.
being, Keylock burned all Brian's possesions latter that night. He stated this
was Brian's wish. In the midst of a police investigation into Brian's death
this should never have been allowed. Maybe this was a coverup for theft and might explain the motivation for murder? I also find it suspicious that Keylock
Was the only witness to Thorogood's deathbed confession.
I should review the facts, as I could be wrong, but I thought tests performed on
Brian showed he was not intoxicated that night. Anna Wohlin had stated in her book that Brian was getting off the drugs and drink.
Actually I never considered the "rough play" therory as suggested by Naturalist.
This seems very possible. Brian drowning on his own does not seem likely.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: August 5, 2015 00:43
Who knows, its any body's guess..
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
swimtothemoon
()
Date: August 5, 2015 00:56
Quote
keefriffhards
Who knows, its any body's guess..
Agreed. However, if Brian was indeed murdered, it seems a shame for the end of
his life to be labeled: "he drowned in his own pool while intoxicated". The
label is all to convenient and a slap to Brian's legacy.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
Naturalust
()
Date: August 5, 2015 00:57
Quote
swimtothemoon
I should review the facts, as I could be wrong, but I thought tests performed on
Brian showed he was not intoxicated that night. Anna Wohlin had stated in her book that Brian was getting off the drugs and drink.
I seem to recall reading that Brian was indeed drinking and taking sleeping pills that tragic day. Although not the best source here is a pretty detailed article about the circumstances surrounding his death.
[www.dailymail.co.uk]
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
Turner68
()
Date: August 5, 2015 01:07
the song "stoned" is much more accurate.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: August 5, 2015 01:15
Quote
swimtothemoonQuote
keefriffhards
Who knows, its any body's guess..
Agreed. However, if Brian was indeed murdered, it seems a shame for the end of
his life to be labeled: "he drowned in his own pool while intoxicated". The
label is all to convenient and a slap to Brian's legacy.
A lot of celebrities lately, seem to die in very mysterious ways for no good reason.
I'm not into conspiracy's but when you look into the details of some so called overdoses and suicides. Well they don't add up, and its happening more frequently.
I sometimes wonder if it was the same in the sixties. The powers that be needed to stop love and free will. Imagine a world without being slaves to money and realizing we have nothing to fear except fear itself. No no we cant have that.
All the good people that spread the word of love, oneness and free will seem to check out a bit early for my liking..
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-05 02:15 by keefriffhards.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
alieb
()
Date: August 5, 2015 05:00
can't say i have any thoughts on the validity of the plot, although I'm not sure i believe the whole murder conspiracy. What I did get out of this movie was some great covers/alternate versions of stones songs.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
nightskyman
()
Date: August 5, 2015 05:11
A highly speculative film. There's also a novel called 'Sway,' part of which does the same thing as the film 'Stoned.'
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
stones2000
()
Date: August 5, 2015 05:38
Well I got the impression from "Life" that Brian was a complete ass. Apparently he was abusive to his girlfriend, took complete control of the band (even worse than Mick, I think), and didn't even show up for recordings half the time. I certainly didn't get a warm feeling toward him, to say the last
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: August 5, 2015 05:58
Accurate ... When I watched, the final credits were about 5cm too much to the left
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
skep8
()
Date: August 5, 2015 06:39
I'm glad that you "find it suspicious that Keylock was the only witness to Thorogood's deathbed confession".
Tom Keylock did not burn all of Brian's possessions... he sold some of them. Brian's "Paint It Black" gold disc was sold to a record dealer in Toronto. And why would Brian want his musical instruments and beautiful tapestries destroyed anyway?
I've never ever heard that "Jagger tried to get to the bottom of it right after it happened", but he wouldn't have had to look far: Thorogood and Keylock were both continuing employees of the Rolling Stones corporation. Keith also gave Brain a white powder that made him deathly ill (among many other dirty tricks Keith pulled off).
Brian was a real problem: for Mick, because Brian partially owned the name of the group, but was not in shape to return to touring by 1969; for Allen Klein, because Brian was supposed to receive a big pay off (of course that never happened); and for Keith, because Keith was so insecure that he could never get along with a second guitarist --- just ask Mick Taylor, or Ron Wood (who quickly learned never to outshine Keith).
The movie Stoned was based on less reputable Brian biography. Keylock was employed as an "advisor" on the production, that should tell you how reliable the film was. The film was silent or unclear about Brian's relationships and Brian himself.
The autopsy showed Brian had the equivalent of one or two beers in his system when he drowned, well below the legal definition of intoxication. He was so scared of illegal drugs that he forbade his visitors from even smoking a joint, but he had traces of a prescription pill in his system. So how does a sober well trained swimmer drown in his own little swimming pool?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-06 03:29 by skep8.
Tom Keylock did not burn all of Brian's possessions... he sold some of them. Brian's "Paint It Black" gold disc was sold to a record dealer in Toronto. And why would Brian want his musical instruments and beautiful tapestries destroyed anyway?
I've never ever heard that "Jagger tried to get to the bottom of it right after it happened", but he wouldn't have had to look far: Thorogood and Keylock were both continuing employees of the Rolling Stones corporation. Keith also gave Brain a white powder that made him deathly ill (among many other dirty tricks Keith pulled off).
Brian was a real problem: for Mick, because Brian partially owned the name of the group, but was not in shape to return to touring by 1969; for Allen Klein, because Brian was supposed to receive a big pay off (of course that never happened); and for Keith, because Keith was so insecure that he could never get along with a second guitarist --- just ask Mick Taylor, or Ron Wood (who quickly learned never to outshine Keith).
The movie Stoned was based on less reputable Brian biography. Keylock was employed as an "advisor" on the production, that should tell you how reliable the film was. The film was silent or unclear about Brian's relationships and Brian himself.
The autopsy showed Brian had the equivalent of one or two beers in his system when he drowned, well below the legal definition of intoxication. He was so scared of illegal drugs that he forbade his visitors from even smoking a joint, but he had traces of a prescription pill in his system. So how does a sober well trained swimmer drown in his own little swimming pool?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-06 03:29 by skep8.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
Naturalust
()
Date: August 5, 2015 08:07
Quote
skep8
I'm glad that you "find it suspicious that Keylock was the only witness to Thorogood's deathbed confession".
Tom Keylock did not burn all of Brian's possessions... he sold some of them. Brian's "Paint It Black" gold disc was sold to a record dealer in Toronto. And why would Brian want his musical instruments and beautiful tapestries destroyed anyway?
I've never ever heard that "Jagger tried to get to the bottom of it right after it happened", but he wouldn't have had to look far: Thorogood and Keylock were both continuing employees of the Rolling Stones corporation. Thorogood had ripped off Keith in the same way (by double billing for purchases, and then keeping the second item), so Keith and Mick sent him to work for Brian. Keith also gave Brain a white powder that made him deathly ill (among many other dirty tricks Keith pulled off).
Brian was a real problem: for Mick, because Brian partially owned the name of the group, but was not in shape to return to touring by 1969; for Allen Klein, because Brian was supposed to receive a big pay off (of course that never happened); and for Keith, because Keith was so insecure that he could never get along with a second guitarist --- just ask Mick Taylor, or Ron Wood (who quickly learned never to outshine Keith).
The movie Stoned was based on a less reputable Brian biography. Keylock was employed as an "advisor" on the production, that should tell you how reliable the film was. The film was silent or unclear about Brian's relationships and Brian himself.
The autopsy showed Brian had the equivalent of one or two beers in his system when he drowned, well below the legal definition of intoxication. He was so scared of illegal drugs that he forbade his visitors from even smoking a joint, but he had traces of a prescription pill in his system. So how does a sober well trained swimmer drown in his own little swimming pool?
Are you suggesting that Keylock conspired with Thorogood to murder Brian? Definitely a possibility but the theory has been discussed before and like such other theories the evidence is circumstantial.
I never read what Brian's intoxication level actually was but recall Anna W. saying Brian had been drinking and taking sleeping pills and Janet Lawson testified that she had told Brian and Frank they were in no condition to go swimming. That along with the brandy, vodka, whiskey and prescription bottles the cops found when they arrived lead me to believe he was a bit more intoxicated than one or two beers.Brian had a pretty high tolerance and I doubt Ms. Lawson would have made such a comment unless she saw visible indications of him being somewhat out of it or she was somehow coerced into such testimony.
My comments about Jagger trying to get to the bottom of it were from a Mick interview I recently read where he specifically was asked about Brians death and uncharacteristically responding in some detail about him trying to find out as much as possible shortly after he found out, basically concluding that he got nowhere. I wish I could remember the source, I will post it if I do.
Re: Brian
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: August 5, 2015 11:03
"The autopsy revealed that Brian Jones had alcohol in his blood, roughly the equivalent of 3-4 pints of beer.
Brian Jones‘s urine also revealed an 'amphetamine-like' substance, although not amphetamine, at nearly nine times the normal level."
That's from this page: [thehistoryofrockmusic.com]
which I haven't read all the way through, so it might be slanted somehow, but it looks like it's trying to be thorough.
Love and light to Brian, and thanks and praises.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-05 11:04 by with sssoul.
Brian Jones‘s urine also revealed an 'amphetamine-like' substance, although not amphetamine, at nearly nine times the normal level."
That's from this page: [thehistoryofrockmusic.com]
which I haven't read all the way through, so it might be slanted somehow, but it looks like it's trying to be thorough.
Love and light to Brian, and thanks and praises.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-05 11:04 by with sssoul.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
terraplane
()
Date: August 5, 2015 11:30
I am thinking the fact that Jones had to be paid a large amount of money as a golden handshake could be important to whether he was murdered. Whether Decca had to pay him that money I don't know. The Stones did part ways with Decca soon after though.
Re: Brian
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: August 5, 2015 11:33
So going on that evidence its unlikely he drowned due to drink and drugs.
He was a strong swimmer too. A few beers and some speed would of been nat's piss to Brian.
He was a strong swimmer too. A few beers and some speed would of been nat's piss to Brian.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
crumbling_mice
()
Date: August 5, 2015 17:07
I recall reading or watching something which suggested he had an asthma attack whilst in the pool and either Thorogood watched and decided not help or did it on purpose. We will never know for sure and it will forever be one of those episodes that hang over rock n roll.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: August 5, 2015 17:20
Quote
stones2000
Well I got the impression from "Life" that Brian was a complete ass. Apparently he was abusive to his girlfriend, took complete control of the band (even worse than Mick, I think), and didn't even show up for recordings half the time. I certainly didn't get a warm feeling toward him, to say the last
Stoned is to Life as Brian is to Keith
Re: Brian
Posted by:
Naturalust
()
Date: August 5, 2015 17:43
Quote
with sssoul
"The autopsy revealed that Brian Jones had alcohol in his blood, roughly the equivalent of 3-4 pints of beer.
Brian Jones‘s urine also revealed an 'amphetamine-like' substance, although not amphetamine, at nearly nine times the normal level."
That's from this page: [thehistoryofrockmusic.com]
which I haven't read all the way through, so it might be slanted somehow, but it looks like it's trying to be thorough.
Love and light to Brian, and thanks and praises.
Thanks with sssoul. Hard to say if that would have been considered intoxicated for someone like Brian but it does make me wonder what is a "normal" level of an amphetamine like substance in someone's blood is. I recall they found "black bombers" in thorogoods possession at the time which he says he was holding for Brian so he didn't take too many of them. Doesn't sound like he was taking that job too seriously......
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
Green Lady
()
Date: August 5, 2015 18:00
It was a hot, muggy night - not good for somebody with asthma. Brian at this time of his life was rather overweight and out of shape and in the habit of drinking quite a lot, even if he had not drunk a great deal that particular night. The pool was heated to about 90 degrees - an asthma attack was a definite possibility. Whether or not it was brought on by the stress of somebody mucking about ducking Brian under the water, or just by the effort of swimming in the heat, is anyone's guess, but it would account for an otherwise good swimmer being unable to save himself.
I think Paul Trynka's book is right to put all the death-theories in an appendix where they belong: what's more important, how Brian died or what he did in his life?
I think Paul Trynka's book is right to put all the death-theories in an appendix where they belong: what's more important, how Brian died or what he did in his life?
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: August 5, 2015 18:13
The conspiracy theory has given work to quite a few hacks and authors over the years. Believe what you may. The 'romantic' notion that Brian was murdered only adds further to the Stones' legend. For me, I think it was an accident.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: August 5, 2015 19:39
Quote
Green Lady
It was a hot, muggy night - not good for somebody with asthma. Brian at this time of his life was rather overweight and out of shape and in the habit of drinking quite a lot, even if he had not drunk a great deal that particular night. The pool was heated to about 90 degrees - an asthma attack was a definite possibility. Whether or not it was brought on by the stress of somebody mucking about ducking Brian under the water, or just by the effort of swimming in the heat, is anyone's guess, but it would account for an otherwise good swimmer being unable to save himself.
I think Paul Trynka's book is right to put all the death-theories in an appendix where they belong: what's more important, how Brian died or what he did in his life?
I don't think i have ever seen a picture of Brian looking over weight.
I personally think he was murdered, but i do love a conspiracy theory lol.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: August 5, 2015 19:42
Quote
treaclefingersQuote
stones2000
Well I got the impression from "Life" that Brian was a complete ass. Apparently he was abusive to his girlfriend, took complete control of the band (even worse than Mick, I think), and didn't even show up for recordings half the time. I certainly didn't get a warm feeling toward him, to say the last
Stoned is to Life as Brian is to Keith
Meaning
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
swimtothemoon
()
Date: August 5, 2015 19:42
Quote
skep8
I'm glad that you "find it suspicious that Keylock was the only witness to Thorogood's deathbed confession".
Tom Keylock did not burn all of Brian's possessions... he sold some of them. Brian's "Paint It Black" gold disc was sold to a record dealer in Toronto. And why would Brian want his musical instruments and beautiful tapestries destroyed anyway?
I've never ever heard that "Jagger tried to get to the bottom of it right after it happened", but he wouldn't have had to look far: Thorogood and Keylock were both continuing employees of the Rolling Stones corporation. Thorogood had ripped off Keith in the same way (by double billing for purchases, and then keeping the second item), so Keith and Mick sent him to work for Brian. Keith also gave Brain a white powder that made him deathly ill (among many other dirty tricks Keith pulled off).
Brian was a real problem: for Mick, because Brian partially owned the name of the group, but was not in shape to return to touring by 1969; for Allen Klein, because Brian was supposed to receive a big pay off (of course that never happened); and for Keith, because Keith was so insecure that he could never get along with a second guitarist --- just ask Mick Taylor, or Ron Wood (who quickly learned never to outshine Keith).
The movie Stoned was based on a less reputable Brian biography. Keylock was employed as an "advisor" on the production, that should tell you how reliable the film was. The film was silent or unclear about Brian's relationships and Brian himself.
The autopsy showed Brian had the equivalent of one or two beers in his system when he drowned, well below the legal definition of intoxication. He was so scared of illegal drugs that he forbade his visitors from even smoking a joint, but he had traces of a prescription pill in his system. So how does a sober well trained swimmer drown in his own little swimming pool?
Brian's American "Ruby Tuesday" gold disc was found stashed in a closet at Apple
records. Once discovered was then given to one of the Beatles drivers, I assume, as payment. This was latter sold at a UK Christies auction and consigned by the
driver. Tom Keylock, I belive, also worked for the Beatles.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
jlowe
()
Date: August 7, 2015 18:27
Wasnt Brian in the habit of "nodding off", in recording studios,also whilst having a meal etc?
So:heated pool+ some drink + some drugs....around the midnight hour.
Looks like an accident...or misadvenure if you want to be judgemental.
By the way, Brian's Estate did get a hefty payout as part of the 1972 ABKCO settlement..the same amount as Bill and Charlie I believe.
It was Keith who in his 1971 RS interview said he tried to get, without success, to the bottom of what happened.
Keylock's contract of employment with RS Ltd came to an end not long after Brian's death.
So:heated pool+ some drink + some drugs....around the midnight hour.
Looks like an accident...or misadvenure if you want to be judgemental.
By the way, Brian's Estate did get a hefty payout as part of the 1972 ABKCO settlement..the same amount as Bill and Charlie I believe.
It was Keith who in his 1971 RS interview said he tried to get, without success, to the bottom of what happened.
Keylock's contract of employment with RS Ltd came to an end not long after Brian's death.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
35love
()
Date: August 8, 2015 00:05
He could have died, AND THEN got ripped off.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
alieb
()
Date: August 8, 2015 00:21
Quote
keefriffhardsQuote
Green Lady
It was a hot, muggy night - not good for somebody with asthma. Brian at this time of his life was rather overweight and out of shape and in the habit of drinking quite a lot, even if he had not drunk a great deal that particular night. The pool was heated to about 90 degrees - an asthma attack was a definite possibility. Whether or not it was brought on by the stress of somebody mucking about ducking Brian under the water, or just by the effort of swimming in the heat, is anyone's guess, but it would account for an otherwise good swimmer being unable to save himself.
I think Paul Trynka's book is right to put all the death-theories in an appendix where they belong: what's more important, how Brian died or what he did in his life?
I don't think i have ever seen a picture of Brian looking over weight.
I personally think he was murdered, but i do love a conspiracy theory lol.
In later photos you can see he's developing a tummy. I think Green Lady's hypothesis makes sense.
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
thkbeercan
()
Date: August 8, 2015 01:49
I remember reading something by Sam Cutler in 2009 in which he states that Allen Klein hired private investigators to find out what happened to Brian. Although Brian was no longer a Rolling Stone, he was still, according to Cutler, a client of Allen Klein's.
These investigators interviewed the two female witnesses to Brian's death, both of whom had left England immediately after the tragedy because they claimed their lives had been threatened. One was in France; the other in Sweden.
According to Sam Cutler's article, Klein's report came to the conclusion that it was Tom Keylock and Tom Keylock alone who was responsible for Brian's death, which might explain why he was burning some of Brian's possessions in a bonfire on Brian's property in the aftermath of the tragedy.
Anyone else remember this article?
These investigators interviewed the two female witnesses to Brian's death, both of whom had left England immediately after the tragedy because they claimed their lives had been threatened. One was in France; the other in Sweden.
According to Sam Cutler's article, Klein's report came to the conclusion that it was Tom Keylock and Tom Keylock alone who was responsible for Brian's death, which might explain why he was burning some of Brian's possessions in a bonfire on Brian's property in the aftermath of the tragedy.
Anyone else remember this article?
Re: the film "stoned" how accurate is it.
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: August 11, 2015 05:08
I think charlie's take on it is most likely, that being that Brian essentially fell asleep in a hot bath(swimming pool).
Someone related to him thinks so too or that he may have just blacked out after holding his breath too long under water.
Both of those scenarios happen quite often, even to very healthy people. A strong swimmer Brian may have been, but his body was most definitely not strong in july 1969.
That he sacked Thorogood right before does paint an iffy picture though. Interesting that Keylock was removed from stones organisation shortly after Hyde Park.
In time, the truth might come out when further files on that night are available for freedom of information requests.
A lot of us will probably be dead by then though.
Someone related to him thinks so too or that he may have just blacked out after holding his breath too long under water.
Both of those scenarios happen quite often, even to very healthy people. A strong swimmer Brian may have been, but his body was most definitely not strong in july 1969.
That he sacked Thorogood right before does paint an iffy picture though. Interesting that Keylock was removed from stones organisation shortly after Hyde Park.
In time, the truth might come out when further files on that night are available for freedom of information requests.
A lot of us will probably be dead by then though.
Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.