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but Vinyl did have sex drugs and rock n roll.I just finished watching the show on dvd here in China,I loved the show,it sucked me in and didnt let me go.
Feel The Fear
And Do It Anyway
...but no zombies or vampires.
Sorry we couldn't get at least another season out of it,
I rolled my eyes at a lot of Scorsese's old tired tricks, too. But, I felt the story was getting interesting at the end and, anyway, I did get such a kick out of the music and general 70's vibe of the series that I was able to look past most of the gimmicks.
Why quit?
Why it’s a good sign if you curse a lot
[www.washingtonpost.com]
@#$%&
BTW, I loved Nurse Jackie too. Thanks for the reminder, never saw more than one season and meant to watch the rest. I'll add it to my summer viewing.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-06-24 17:59 by latebloomer.
*this article claims Scorsese had something to do with 'The Sopranos'
NOT TRUE.
*Ha Ha, from your article
'They found that those who cursed more showed more neuroticism'
Hey stop reading my mail.
You may not thank me for resurrecting 'Nurse Jackie' for ya after it wrings your asss out ;-). Brutal. But Falco's the best. I always fancied myself like Carmela. Except I don't get to shop at Nordstroms. I think it was her mess with my kid and I'll take you out and putting up with what you put up with for them. Now I'm talking too much.
Sorry for the Vinyl fans. And Mr. Cohen if he was still attached. And James Jagger, hope this launches. I'm out.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-06-24 19:06 by 35love.
It's a clever headline, but here's the thing (says author Eric Harvey):
"A ten-episode HBO drama about the coked-out, mob-connected 1970s record business by the guy who created Goodfellas and Casino and one of the primary minds behind 'The Sopranos,' with Mick Jagger as an executive producer seemingly for accuracy."
Well, from a linear, literal perspective, I suppose that's somewhat accurate...except for one thing: that's not what Vinyl was "about." At least not to me.
Author Eric Harvey goes on to say...
"Music nerds of a certain age immediately assumed Fredric Dannen’s Hit Men—-a deeply reported, mesmerizing 1990 bestseller about the lavish excesses and underworld ties at the record business’s highest levels—would be a core text."
We...um...did? guess I missed that meeting, or maybe Tweet.
"Others noted Will Hermes’ epochal 2011 book Love Goes to Buildings on Fire, which opens on New Year’s Day 1973 and proceeds at a dizzying pace and vast scope through the five years in the five boroughs 'that changed music forever,' traversing punk, disco, the earliest rumblings of hip-hop, Latin soul, and the arty minimalism of Philip Glass and Steve Reich."
Author Eric Harvey does have nice command of "The Literature," as to be expected from an Indiana University rock and popular culture doctoral student.
However, I don't know anyone who "noted" that.
Harvey continues:
"Though 'Vinyl' contains elements of each—-Bobby Cannavale (who plays protagonist Finestra) has read Hermes’ book, and Bo Dietl’s Joe Corso recalls Joe Isgro, the mobbed-up radio middleman from Hit Men-—the show took a different path, one less rooted in the minutiae of record-biz life and more akin to Forrest Gump traipsing through the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame."
This is what I've been saying. Most reviewers/critics seem capable only of comparing it to sources they know. They expected it to be one thing, compared it to others, and concluded it came up short because there was no match between what they knew and what this was--which is something new, not familiar or already known, incomparable. If it's compared to other shows, of course it fails. It was doing its own thing (as they said in the '60s and practiced for awhile in the '70s).
Harvey goes on --in even greater length and detail than I'm wont-- to deconstruct Vinyl very intelligently, but I still misses the point and essence of the show. He mixes and muddles up different points about it being too authentic in detail, too 2016 in approach--without considering that was kinda by design. Or more to the point: sometimes, maybe, so what, doesn't matter.
Harvey rails against the social media, interactive, and transmedia campaign weaving in music and fashion -- his chief complaint, basically being that there's already a successful formula for doing this, and Vinyl did it differently. Which he sees as wrong. And I don't. Time will bear this out. I believe we will see essential elements of Vinyl replicated, without those lifting them even being aware of where "their idea" came from -- because Vinyl was that fresh. In a time when we're so accustomed to recognizing, rewarding, and replicating formula, Vinyl failed not because (as Eric Harvey claims) it was E-A-B formula--but, and I'm stickin' to this: because it was definitively original.
-swiss
Swiss, would you be able to articulate what is so original about the storytelling of "Vinyl"? Which of the story arcs are different and what are the scenes and/or techniques that contribute to the freshness of the series?
I didn't dislike the show, but there were definitely plot machinations that I thought were beleaguered by old-fangled tv show histrionics, and that the presentations of singers in scenes go all the way back to the Greek chorus. They were a reference that I found refreshing, but nothing new.
I saw a story of fall and possible redemption. What did you see in the series that made it so different and new?
Fair question, and very detailed and particular. I'd written a bunch about the shows as they were airing, and I'm on deadline this weekend, through Tuesday so can't go back and excerpt them, but I guess the short answer would be, it was in approach, vibe, what was focused on (moments), how nonliteral it was, an explosion of bebop, or a type of expressionism -- it didn't have, follow, or even lay out a formula. Things like the flashbacks and the singers, etc. To me, that was sort of nonoffensive gimmickry, and fell into the "whatever" category. But as a whole--and, of course, "there is no new thing under the sun," but that, I'm fairly sure, doesn't mean to imply that everything within the material word is "the same" or "not-new," notwithstanding the fact that everything is composed of the same basic elements--the construction, pace, nonpredictability, the risks in not literally striving for accuracy (like not caring that Bowie is chubby, like the randomness of having a Hells Angel put on a record at the bar jukebox, like knowing of course it's not possible that Richie was literally in all those exact places and times when something began being born, that no the roof didn't cave in just like that). It felt like a fever dream. But only sometimes. And sometimes it felt like something else. Five days and nights on coke. Sometimes almost becalmed and balanced, clear. It moved like a hunting cat. It moved like a dancing bear. Every episode was different from the next. The continuity was in the vibe, not even in the writers' approaches.
That's the best I can do for now - maybe next week I'll break it down farther in more detailed, literal terms.
-swiss
Edit: the only thing I can add -- other than the lengthy comments I've already posted, is its uniqueness has little to do with "storytelling arcs" and "techniques." Proving that not everything of value these days has to do with linear narrative, or even conceptions of "story." Vinyl was as much a visceral multisensory experience as it was A Story About Something, With Symbolism. In this case it's true that the sum of its parts is greater than the whole. It would be cool if there were more fabricated in the same style and vibe--but fortunately the 10 pieces that made it up, as a piece, like an art installation, is the "story."
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2016-06-29 03:30 by swiss.
That's really interesting. I wonder whether that was considered...,my hunch is a lot of the people involved would be down for it, but the Big Names are probably "done. And--more to the point--I wonder whether Netflix would have the budget for them to be able to do what they want to...?
I hated the Wolf of Wall Street too; Vinyl felt appreciably less cynical, mean-spirited, and gratuitously crass.
"Blow"...hmmm....maybe that would have been a better fit than "Vinyl," which sounds more static than the show actually was. What about "Blown"? Tho I wonder whether it would have featured as much cocaine moving into he future, even if it had kept the bipolar multiprismatic rollercoaster tilt-a-whirl vibe.
Hey! That's what I'm doing right now! And I look way cool
Ahem - I mean! What Teddy's saying sounds right to me. It didn't feel like my sense of rock & roll either.
Ah well. I genuinely can't stand Scorsese. I love the Rolling Stones.
I'd not say rock music but "rock industry" yes!
Sell "Vinyl" to a 20 yo music fan by telling him/her he'll learn everything about the dirty tricks going in labels & he'll look at you with round eyes.
To him/her there are NO such things as record labels, just Twitter Youtube and artists gathering fame on Facebook.
"Vinyl" should have been made around 1986... right after "Dirty Work", when Mick had some free time! >
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Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
mandu
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Date: June 24, 2016 10:54
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Voodookitten76Quote
ironbelly
"Vinyl" had no chances whatsoever. No dragons, no swords, no princess, no dwarfs, no T&A, no perverse murders, no blood bath, no feeding people to the dogs... As a result - no TV rating.
Sad, but true. RIP Vinyl
but Vinyl did have sex drugs and rock n roll.I just finished watching the show on dvd here in China,I loved the show,it sucked me in and didnt let me go.
Feel The Fear
And Do It Anyway
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
BluzDude
()
Date: June 24, 2016 11:50
Quote
manduQuote
Voodookitten76Quote
ironbelly
"Vinyl" had no chances whatsoever. No dragons, no swords, no princess, no dwarfs, no T&A, no perverse murders, no blood bath, no feeding people to the dogs... As a result - no TV rating.
Sad, but true. RIP Vinyl
but Vinyl did have sex drugs and rock n roll.I just finished watching the show on dvd here in China,I loved the show,it sucked me in and didnt let me go.
...but no zombies or vampires.
Sorry we couldn't get at least another season out of it,
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
rollmops
()
Date: June 24, 2016 14:59
I am very sad learning the bad news. Ratings = money and I don't think that season 2 could have turned things around as far as ratings. It was a great show but you had to love that rock and roll music with passion to get the show. We are a dying breed my friends....
"Roadies" suck.
Rock and roll,
Mops
"Roadies" suck.
Rock and roll,
Mops
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
35love
()
Date: June 24, 2016 15:37
How come nobody's blaming Scorsese?
Goodfella's a cult classic for sure (among men). But that was 25 years ago, and we'd never seen it before. Then we saw it again with 'Casino'. That's enough.
And, that wasn't every week and now we're middle aged viewers. After the shock and awe affect of 'Goodfella's'
then 'Casino' (which held attention because of De Niro and RS music) after that, the audience knows it's being taken on a cheap ride. And if a viewer has ever dipped a toe into the pool personally, time allotment for old glory days of hell plummets down to 5 minutes. Been there, got out, shudder and no thank you.
The train wreck of drug addiction and stupid people.
The 'coked out on the run' has been done to death.
Look, I get it's the 70's and the music biz as a whole was coked out on the run. Okay. But to exploit it without depth, is immature now. Boring.
I also found Cannavale trying way too hard.
Seemed to me Scorsese dominated the entire project off his reputation
and old formula.
So much so, I couldn't see past to the music.
Goodfella's a cult classic for sure (among men). But that was 25 years ago, and we'd never seen it before. Then we saw it again with 'Casino'. That's enough.
And, that wasn't every week and now we're middle aged viewers. After the shock and awe affect of 'Goodfella's'
then 'Casino' (which held attention because of De Niro and RS music) after that, the audience knows it's being taken on a cheap ride. And if a viewer has ever dipped a toe into the pool personally, time allotment for old glory days of hell plummets down to 5 minutes. Been there, got out, shudder and no thank you.
The train wreck of drug addiction and stupid people.
The 'coked out on the run' has been done to death.
Look, I get it's the 70's and the music biz as a whole was coked out on the run. Okay. But to exploit it without depth, is immature now. Boring.
I also found Cannavale trying way too hard.
Seemed to me Scorsese dominated the entire project off his reputation
and old formula.
So much so, I couldn't see past to the music.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
latebloomer
()
Date: June 24, 2016 16:08
Quote
35love
How come nobody's blaming Scorsese?
Goodfella's a cult classic for sure (among men). But that was 25 years ago, and we'd never seen it before. Then we saw it again with 'Casino'. That's enough.
And, that wasn't every week and now we're middle aged viewers. After the shock and awe affect of 'Goodfella's'
then 'Casino' (which held attention because of De Niro and RS music) after that, the audience knows it's being taken on a cheap ride. And if a viewer has ever dipped a toe into the pool personally, time allotment for old glory days of hell plummets down to 5 minutes. Been there, got out, shudder and no thank you.
The train wreck of drug addiction and stupid people.
The 'coked out on the run' has been done to death.
Look, I get it's the 70's and the music biz as a whole was coked out on the run. Okay. But to exploit it without depth, is immature now. Boring.
I also found Cannavale trying way too hard.
Seemed to me Scorsese dominated the entire project off his reputation
and old formula.
So much so, I couldn't see past to the music.
I rolled my eyes at a lot of Scorsese's old tired tricks, too. But, I felt the story was getting interesting at the end and, anyway, I did get such a kick out of the music and general 70's vibe of the series that I was able to look past most of the gimmicks.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
35love
()
Date: June 24, 2016 16:18
I know you did latebloomer (mentioned Scorsese as a possible real negative) from the outset.
And, I'm not saying I have a problem watching drug addiction, hey I watched every season of 'Nurse Jackie' (Edie Falco) and that show was 100% gripping torture I kept going back to.
Edit for swearing. Yep, trying to quit.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-06-24 16:33 by 35love.
And, I'm not saying I have a problem watching drug addiction, hey I watched every season of 'Nurse Jackie' (Edie Falco) and that show was 100% gripping torture I kept going back to.
Edit for swearing. Yep, trying to quit.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-06-24 16:33 by 35love.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
roller99
()
Date: June 24, 2016 17:24
They should not have killed off Andrew Dice Clay.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
TheGreek
()
Date: June 24, 2016 17:54
To me this was an in depth and up close look inside the record industry in the 70's .To me it was well made and real and very informative .To the above poster that mentioned " we are a dying breed my friends " how true .I guess that is the bottom line .
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
latebloomer
()
Date: June 24, 2016 17:54
Quote
35love
I know you did latebloomer (mentioned Scorsese as a possible real negative) from the outset.
And, I'm not saying I have a problem watching drug addiction, hey I watched every season of 'Nurse Jackie' (Edie Falco) and that show was 100% gripping torture I kept going back to.
Edit for swearing. Yep, trying to quit.
Why quit?
Why it’s a good sign if you curse a lot
[www.washingtonpost.com]
@#$%&
BTW, I loved Nurse Jackie too. Thanks for the reminder, never saw more than one season and meant to watch the rest. I'll add it to my summer viewing.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-06-24 17:59 by latebloomer.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
35love
()
Date: June 24, 2016 18:45
*this article claims Scorsese had something to do with 'The Sopranos'
NOT TRUE.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
35love
()
Date: June 24, 2016 18:49
Quote
latebloomerQuote
35love
I know you did latebloomer (mentioned Scorsese as a possible real negative) from the outset.
And, I'm not saying I have a problem watching drug addiction, hey I watched every season of 'Nurse Jackie' (Edie Falco) and that show was 100% gripping torture I kept going back to.
Edit for swearing. Yep, trying to quit.
Why quit?
Why it’s a good sign if you curse a lot
[www.washingtonpost.com]
@#$%&
BTW, I loved Nurse Jackie too. Thanks for the reminder, never saw more than one season and meant to watch the rest. I'll add it to my summer viewing.
*Ha Ha, from your article
'They found that those who cursed more showed more neuroticism'
Hey stop reading my mail.
You may not thank me for resurrecting 'Nurse Jackie' for ya after it wrings your asss out ;-). Brutal. But Falco's the best. I always fancied myself like Carmela. Except I don't get to shop at Nordstroms. I think it was her mess with my kid and I'll take you out and putting up with what you put up with for them. Now I'm talking too much.
Sorry for the Vinyl fans. And Mr. Cohen if he was still attached. And James Jagger, hope this launches. I'm out.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-06-24 19:06 by 35love.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
swiss
()
Date: June 25, 2016 08:53
It's a clever headline, but here's the thing (says author Eric Harvey):
"A ten-episode HBO drama about the coked-out, mob-connected 1970s record business by the guy who created Goodfellas and Casino and one of the primary minds behind 'The Sopranos,' with Mick Jagger as an executive producer seemingly for accuracy."
Well, from a linear, literal perspective, I suppose that's somewhat accurate...except for one thing: that's not what Vinyl was "about." At least not to me.
Author Eric Harvey goes on to say...
"Music nerds of a certain age immediately assumed Fredric Dannen’s Hit Men—-a deeply reported, mesmerizing 1990 bestseller about the lavish excesses and underworld ties at the record business’s highest levels—would be a core text."
We...um...did? guess I missed that meeting, or maybe Tweet.
"Others noted Will Hermes’ epochal 2011 book Love Goes to Buildings on Fire, which opens on New Year’s Day 1973 and proceeds at a dizzying pace and vast scope through the five years in the five boroughs 'that changed music forever,' traversing punk, disco, the earliest rumblings of hip-hop, Latin soul, and the arty minimalism of Philip Glass and Steve Reich."
Author Eric Harvey does have nice command of "The Literature," as to be expected from an Indiana University rock and popular culture doctoral student.
However, I don't know anyone who "noted" that.
Harvey continues:
"Though 'Vinyl' contains elements of each—-Bobby Cannavale (who plays protagonist Finestra) has read Hermes’ book, and Bo Dietl’s Joe Corso recalls Joe Isgro, the mobbed-up radio middleman from Hit Men-—the show took a different path, one less rooted in the minutiae of record-biz life and more akin to Forrest Gump traipsing through the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame."
This is what I've been saying. Most reviewers/critics seem capable only of comparing it to sources they know. They expected it to be one thing, compared it to others, and concluded it came up short because there was no match between what they knew and what this was--which is something new, not familiar or already known, incomparable. If it's compared to other shows, of course it fails. It was doing its own thing (as they said in the '60s and practiced for awhile in the '70s).
Harvey goes on --in even greater length and detail than I'm wont-- to deconstruct Vinyl very intelligently, but I still misses the point and essence of the show. He mixes and muddles up different points about it being too authentic in detail, too 2016 in approach--without considering that was kinda by design. Or more to the point: sometimes, maybe, so what, doesn't matter.
Harvey rails against the social media, interactive, and transmedia campaign weaving in music and fashion -- his chief complaint, basically being that there's already a successful formula for doing this, and Vinyl did it differently. Which he sees as wrong. And I don't. Time will bear this out. I believe we will see essential elements of Vinyl replicated, without those lifting them even being aware of where "their idea" came from -- because Vinyl was that fresh. In a time when we're so accustomed to recognizing, rewarding, and replicating formula, Vinyl failed not because (as Eric Harvey claims) it was E-A-B formula--but, and I'm stickin' to this: because it was definitively original.
-swiss
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
frankotero
()
Date: June 25, 2016 09:56
Swiss, thanks for posting that. A very different approach (and articulate) comments in there. Really great.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
BluzDude
()
Date: June 25, 2016 10:17
Quote
roller99
They should not have killed off Andrew Dice Clay.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
CloudCat
()
Date: June 25, 2016 16:41
Quote
swiss
... [Harvey's] chief complaint, basically being that there's already a successful formula for doing this, and Vinyl did it differently. Which he sees as wrong. And I don't. Time will bear this out. I believe we will see essential elements of Vinyl replicated, without those lifting them even being aware of where "their idea" came from -- because Vinyl was that fresh. In a time when we're so accustomed to recognizing, rewarding, and replicating formula, Vinyl failed not because (as Eric Harvey claims) it was E-A-B formula--but, and I'm stickin' to this: because it was definitively original.
-swiss
Swiss, would you be able to articulate what is so original about the storytelling of "Vinyl"? Which of the story arcs are different and what are the scenes and/or techniques that contribute to the freshness of the series?
I didn't dislike the show, but there were definitely plot machinations that I thought were beleaguered by old-fangled tv show histrionics, and that the presentations of singers in scenes go all the way back to the Greek chorus. They were a reference that I found refreshing, but nothing new.
I saw a story of fall and possible redemption. What did you see in the series that made it so different and new?
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
Title5Take1
()
Date: June 25, 2016 21:51
Scorsese chose a writer who'd never written fiction before and it showed. Jagger and Scorsese were in a buyer's market as far as choosing a writer if anyone was, but Scorsese wanted a puppet more than talent. (Aside from the VINYL farrago, I read Rich Cohen's recent Stones book and I'd argue he's not even a good nonfiction writer.)
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
georgelicks
()
Date: June 26, 2016 01:30
Sadly Vinyl was an outdated series for today's era, maybe 20 years ago when rock music was still important but now... who's buying or listening rock music now?
People is into R&B/Pop/Thecno/Alternative/Country, rock music is a bit like jazz music today, a cult genre but not mainstream at all.
The series had no chance on 2016, there's no market for it.
People is into R&B/Pop/Thecno/Alternative/Country, rock music is a bit like jazz music today, a cult genre but not mainstream at all.
The series had no chance on 2016, there's no market for it.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
swiss
()
Date: June 26, 2016 04:29
Quote
CloudCatQuote
swiss
... [Harvey's] chief complaint, basically being that there's already a successful formula for doing this, and Vinyl did it differently. Which he sees as wrong. And I don't. Time will bear this out. I believe we will see essential elements of Vinyl replicated, without those lifting them even being aware of where "their idea" came from -- because Vinyl was that fresh. In a time when we're so accustomed to recognizing, rewarding, and replicating formula, Vinyl failed not because (as Eric Harvey claims) it was E-A-B formula--but, and I'm stickin' to this: because it was definitively original.
-swiss
Swiss, would you be able to articulate what is so original about the storytelling of "Vinyl"? Which of the story arcs are different and what are the scenes and/or techniques that contribute to the freshness of the series?
I didn't dislike the show, but there were definitely plot machinations that I thought were beleaguered by old-fangled tv show histrionics, and that the presentations of singers in scenes go all the way back to the Greek chorus. They were a reference that I found refreshing, but nothing new.
I saw a story of fall and possible redemption. What did you see in the series that made it so different and new?
Fair question, and very detailed and particular. I'd written a bunch about the shows as they were airing, and I'm on deadline this weekend, through Tuesday so can't go back and excerpt them, but I guess the short answer would be, it was in approach, vibe, what was focused on (moments), how nonliteral it was, an explosion of bebop, or a type of expressionism -- it didn't have, follow, or even lay out a formula. Things like the flashbacks and the singers, etc. To me, that was sort of nonoffensive gimmickry, and fell into the "whatever" category. But as a whole--and, of course, "there is no new thing under the sun," but that, I'm fairly sure, doesn't mean to imply that everything within the material word is "the same" or "not-new," notwithstanding the fact that everything is composed of the same basic elements--the construction, pace, nonpredictability, the risks in not literally striving for accuracy (like not caring that Bowie is chubby, like the randomness of having a Hells Angel put on a record at the bar jukebox, like knowing of course it's not possible that Richie was literally in all those exact places and times when something began being born, that no the roof didn't cave in just like that). It felt like a fever dream. But only sometimes. And sometimes it felt like something else. Five days and nights on coke. Sometimes almost becalmed and balanced, clear. It moved like a hunting cat. It moved like a dancing bear. Every episode was different from the next. The continuity was in the vibe, not even in the writers' approaches.
That's the best I can do for now - maybe next week I'll break it down farther in more detailed, literal terms.
-swiss
Edit: the only thing I can add -- other than the lengthy comments I've already posted, is its uniqueness has little to do with "storytelling arcs" and "techniques." Proving that not everything of value these days has to do with linear narrative, or even conceptions of "story." Vinyl was as much a visceral multisensory experience as it was A Story About Something, With Symbolism. In this case it's true that the sum of its parts is greater than the whole. It would be cool if there were more fabricated in the same style and vibe--but fortunately the 10 pieces that made it up, as a piece, like an art installation, is the "story."
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2016-06-29 03:30 by swiss.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
schillid
()
Date: June 28, 2016 22:38
Expecting six seasons and a movie?
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
wonderboy
()
Date: June 28, 2016 23:19
Maybe find another network, or sell another season it to Netflix.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: June 28, 2016 23:29
Loved it. Bummer! 
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
Hairball
()
Date: June 29, 2016 03:21
As this writer states, it might have been more successful had it been limited to a two hour movie vs. a meandering series.
Scorsese, Jagger’s Vinyl doomed from the start
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Scorsese, Jagger’s Vinyl doomed from the start
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
swiss
()
Date: June 29, 2016 03:34
Quote
wonderboy
Maybe find another network, or sell another season it to Netflix.
That's really interesting. I wonder whether that was considered...,my hunch is a lot of the people involved would be down for it, but the Big Names are probably "done. And--more to the point--I wonder whether Netflix would have the budget for them to be able to do what they want to...?
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
alieb
()
Date: June 29, 2016 04:41
Doesn't Netflix already have a similar series in the works?
I know Mindy Project was cancelled revived on Hulu, but yeah i would see the budget thing being an issue there as well. It's over, unfortunately for people like me who were actually enjoying it.
I know Mindy Project was cancelled revived on Hulu, but yeah i would see the budget thing being an issue there as well. It's over, unfortunately for people like me who were actually enjoying it.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
Posted by:
TeddyB1018
()
Date: June 29, 2016 06:13
Mindy was a Universal Studios production, and they were able to turn it around from Fox network to Hulu (which is owned largely by those two companies). Vinyl is an HBO production. No chance for it to move networks.
I think they should have called the show Blow. It did try to give the visceral feeling of rock and roll, as Swiss has suggested, but didn't feel like my idea of rock and roll, more like an extended coke jag (no pun intended, but noticed and left in). But I hated the Wolf of Wall Street, from most of the same creative team.
I think they should have called the show Blow. It did try to give the visceral feeling of rock and roll, as Swiss has suggested, but didn't feel like my idea of rock and roll, more like an extended coke jag (no pun intended, but noticed and left in). But I hated the Wolf of Wall Street, from most of the same creative team.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
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Date: June 29, 2016 09:21
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TeddyB1018
Mindy was a Universal Studios production, and they were able to turn it around from Fox network to Hulu (which is owned largely by those two companies). Vinyl is an HBO production. No chance for it to move networks.
I think they should have called the show Blow. It did try to give the visceral feeling of rock and roll, as Swiss has suggested, but didn't feel like my idea of rock and roll, more like an extended coke jag (no pun intended, but noticed and left in). But I hated the Wolf of Wall Street, from most of the same creative team.
I hated the Wolf of Wall Street too; Vinyl felt appreciably less cynical, mean-spirited, and gratuitously crass.
"Blow"...hmmm....maybe that would have been a better fit than "Vinyl," which sounds more static than the show actually was. What about "Blown"? Tho I wonder whether it would have featured as much cocaine moving into he future, even if it had kept the bipolar multiprismatic rollercoaster tilt-a-whirl vibe.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
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with sssoul
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Date: June 29, 2016 13:56
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swiss
the bipolar multiprismatic rollercoaster tilt-a-whirl vibe.
Hey! That's what I'm doing right now! And I look way cool
Ahem - I mean! What Teddy's saying sounds right to me. It didn't feel like my sense of rock & roll either.
Ah well. I genuinely can't stand Scorsese. I love the Rolling Stones.
Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
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dcba
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Date: July 11, 2016 17:46
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georgelicks
Sadly Vinyl was an outdated series for today's era, maybe 20 years ago when rock music was still important but now...
The series had no chance on 2016, there's no market for it.
I'd not say rock music but "rock industry" yes!
Sell "Vinyl" to a 20 yo music fan by telling him/her he'll learn everything about the dirty tricks going in labels & he'll look at you with round eyes.
To him/her there are NO such things as record labels, just Twitter Youtube and artists gathering fame on Facebook.
"Vinyl" should have been made around 1986... right after "Dirty Work", when Mick had some free time! >
<Re: Jagger/Scorsese HBO series "Vinyl"
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GasLightStreet
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Date: July 11, 2016 17:58
Scorsese? He needs to stay away from music projects and stick to using songs in movies. SHINE A LIGHT sucks. Obviously VINYL sucked.
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