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If the Stones talk about doing "something special" they most likely mean they´re going to play Bitch and Emotional Rescue. Do not expect too much.

Oh, not Angie this time? Stifle.

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Somehow I can't see 70-something Keith Richards croaking out Little T&A anymore. It worked in 1981 when he was young and wild. In 2006 it was an embarrassment.

Ah ha ha ha ha! Eh, that was bad. It's amazing, really. It was fantastically bad in 1981, it was... awful bad in 2006.

In 2006, it was sad. Look at the SAL version.

No. I refuse to watch that excuse of a movie nor listen to that horrible live album. I remember it. It's seared into my brain.

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Somehow I can't see 70-something Keith Richards croaking out Little T&A anymore. It worked in 1981 when he was young and wild. In 2006 it was an embarrassment.

Ah ha ha ha ha! Eh, that was bad. It's amazing, really. It was fantastically bad in 1981, it was... awful bad in 2006.

In 2006, it was sad. Look at the SAL version.

No. I refuse to watch that excuse of a movie nor listen to that horrible live album. I remember it. It's seared into my brain.

Eh, I actually like Shine A Light very much. T&A is weak but most of it is pretty good, imo. I think they did good version of JJF, All Down The Line, Live With Me, Far Away Eyes, etc. Keith's solo on SFTD is weak but I think there's more good than bad on it. It was a treat to finally hear She Was Hot live, my favorite song from Undercover.

"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."

I was pleased that they did She Was Hot. It just wasn't good. Same with Sway. They just don't work live. Which is weird considering how She Was Hot cooks, the studio version anyway.

She Was Hot is very good on SAL. Both DVD/CD are great live documents and as far as I know there are no overdubs. That´s a very important point. On SAL I even like Shattered - and I absolutely do not like the original.

I'm not surprised. Shattered from the BANG tour was horrible - it makes sense that you would like it. No one played the bridge and that version in SAL is pedestrian, just like She Was Hot, which is weak.

It's not weird anymore that you like the bad performances and recordings of the Stones.

Yeah, Shattered on SAL is weaker than 1981 versions, but I don't think it's horrible. As for She Was Hot, I think they do that very well on SAL.

"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."

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Yeah, Shattered on SAL is weaker than 1981 versions, but I don't think it's horrible. As for She Was Hot, I think they do that very well on SAL.

"Shattered" has been performed much worse than it was there,even including Philadelphia in 1981. It was played pretty well in Virginia on the "A Bigger Bang Tour" and at the second Fenway Park show.

As for "She Was Hot",in this case (as often seems to happen on this board),relatively minor imperfections are blown out of proportion. The performance was much more enjoyable than some of the regular songs although,I prefer the Oakland and Atlantic City versions of "She Was Hot".

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The Rolling Stones app is asking for ideas regarding the Desert Trip show set-list:

Anything reminiscing this will be a winner:

Satisfaction
All Down The Line
Tumbling Dice
Let's Spend The Night Together
She's So Cold
Worried About You
She's A Rainbow
Live With Me
Can't You Hear Me Knocking
Little T & A
You Got The Silver
It's Only Rock N Roll
Paint It Black
Monkey Man
When The Whip Comes Down
Rough Justice
You Got Me Rocking
You Can't Always Get What You Want
ENCORE
Brown Sugar
Jumping Jack Flash

That setlist is about 80% failure. If they are asking on Twitter for setlist suggestions then they are pandering to kids. Millennials are not paying those prices to see them. Most have barely heard of them and probably don't care anyways.
It's all a bunch of crap, if they really wanted suggestions all they have to do is come here. By posting it on their app they are suggestively asking for warhorses so that they can justify that crappy setlist. That's why you have been hearing Stones songs in popular commercials lately, it's all suggestive advertising.

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Yeah, Shattered on SAL is weaker than 1981 versions, but I don't think it's horrible. As for She Was Hot, I think they do that very well on SAL.

"Shattered" has been performed much worse than it was there,even including Philadelphia in 1981. It was played pretty well in Virginia on the "A Bigger Bang Tour" and at the second Fenway Park show.

As for "She Was Hot",in this case (as often seems to happen on this board),relatively minor imperfections are blown out of proportion. The performance was much more enjoyable than some of the regular songs although,I prefer the Oakland and Atlantic City versions of "She Was Hot".

I got to hear a very good Shattered at Giants Stadium in 2005, much more aggressive than the SAL version. Totally agree with you on She Was Hot.

"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."

If they would ask meI would advise them to play two songs which they CAN play live (they performed them already) and which would please the normal concertgoer as much as the die-hard fan:

Lady Jane and
Heart of stone

(alternately on each of the concerts)

If they wanted to play something exotic I would opt for

Dandelion

I am still convinced it would work very well if properly rehearsed, and it would not turn off the mass audience (at least, 2.000 lightyears also worked at Glastonbury)

Anyone with a brain will know that the 'suggestions' for a setlist in the context of these 4 upcoming American shows, and also particularly at this stage in their career, is meaningless, completely meaningless.

Pick a setlist - any setlist - from just about any show whatsoever out of the 50 & Counting, 14 On Fire, Zip Code, and Latin America Olé tours - and you wont be more than about two or three songs out at most !

It would be sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo nice to see/hear them do genuine rarities, or heaven forbid - things they might never ever have played before !? But it won't happen. It won't happen on this little excursion, and it is similarly unlikely that it'll happen on any further excursions (whether that be solely Europe 2017 - or Europe 2017 AND even 'beyond').

They're on the home run now, the show format works, it pulls in the numbers, the majority of punters are thrilled, the minority less so (but most still go anyway - albeit in grumble mode) - what on earth is the incentive for them to change anything ? There isn't any. And so they most likely won't. It's my dying wish that they WOULD, but I can't see it happening ! I'd like nothing more than to be wrong, but ......... !!

It'll be mini-warhorse alley for openers, hold your breath for one or possibly two lesser known or lesser played gems, and then major warhorse alley until pyrotechnic time ! That's yer lot these days ! Sigh !

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

My only hope for changes in the setlists consists in the possibility that their blues covers album will become a sensational success story. Then possibly all songs on it might feature in the same setlist. That is my Rolling Stones daydream. Later to have several additions from their later coming studio album of Jagger- Richards originals. How wonderful all that would be!

No more Sympathy. I think Gimme Shelter has lost its fire, and it feels like both Keith and Ronnie just don't have the intensity on their guitars to pull it off anymore.

I think the warhorse home stretch has to completely change. Move some warhorses up in the set and figure out a completely new home stretch.

Sigh... I am going to assume the shows next month will be the same show that they have been playing for the past two years.

If they tour in Europe in 2017 what are the chances for a completely revamped set list? I think slim.

If Keith is already shaky, how is he going to be in 2017? It almost feels like set list discussions are going to be moot.

I cannot see the Rolling Stones performing in 2018, I just can't.

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My only hope for changes in the setlists consists in the possibility that their blues covers album will become a sensational success story. Then possibly all songs on it might feature in the same setlist. That is my Rolling Stones daydream. Later to have several additions from their later coming studio album of Jagger- Richards originals. How wonderful all that would be!

I share your hope completely, but .......... I afford myself a little scepticism - shall we say ?

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

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No more Sympathy. I think Gimme Shelter has lost its fire, and it feels like both Keith and Ronnie just don't have the intensity on their guitars to pull it off anymore.

I think the warhorse home stretch has to completely change. Move some warhorses up in the set and figure out a completely new home stretch.

Sigh... I am going to assume the shows next month will be the same show that they have been playing for the past two years.

If they tour in Europe in 2017 what are the chances for a completely revamped set list? I think slim.

If Keith is already shaky, how is he going to be in 2017? It almost feels like set list discussions are going to be moot.

I cannot see the Rolling Stones performing in 2018, I just can't.

Difficult I think !

I agree !

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

i'd love to hear some songs they have not performed for eons:

down home girl
down the road apiece
no expectations
jigsaw puzzle
one hit (to the body)

As I've often said, they're in a bit of a bind ... victims of their own success ! And as a consequence, they regrettably have to pitch to the majority. And I suspect that the majority these days would probably be mighty hacked off if they got something significantly different to what they've happily been getting in a two hour show for say ... certainly the last four major excursions since they re-emerged in 2012 after a seven year break following ABB !

All hope rests on the new blues inspired album, but if the past is anything to go by ... they'll perhaps play one at least (or two at most) songs from the new offering, and if they're still going/performing a few months later, they could well end up dropping them sooner rather than later. Such is the obsession with keeping the show at fever pitch and having 50,000 to 80,000 people sing along with familiar material ......

I love 'em as much as ever, but this is the reality I think ......

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No more Sympathy. I think Gimme Shelter has lost its fire, and it feels like both Keith and Ronnie just don't have the intensity on their guitars to pull it off anymore.

I think the warhorse home stretch has to completely change. Move some warhorses up in the set and figure out a completely new home stretch.

Sigh... I am going to assume the shows next month will be the same show that they have been playing for the past two years.

If they tour in Europe in 2017 what are the chances for a completely revamped set list? I think slim.

If Keith is already shaky, how is he going to be in 2017? It almost feels like set list discussions are going to be moot.

I cannot see the Rolling Stones performing in 2018, I just can't.

It will be interesting to see if they keep going "till death," as Keith has said. Part of me would like to see that but only if Keith is aware of his limitations and doesn't try to exceed them. Keith has deteriorated more than the others and sometimes I think it would be good for them to quit with a fair degree of integrity intact. I always think of how horribly cringe-worthy Chuck Berry has been in his eighties and I'd hate to see that happen to Keith...

"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."

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i'd love to hear some songs they have not performed for eons:

down home girl
down the road apiece
no expectations
jigsaw puzzle
one hit (to the body)

No Expectations was heavily played 13 years ago.

Every song they never played live is heartly welcome.

Time is on my side


Time waits for no one


This could be the last time

Perhaps Mick will take a cue from Axl with AC/DC and get beyond the usual and ponder some tracks they've never done before...

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Perhaps Mick will take a cue from Axl with AC/DC and get beyond the usual and ponder some tracks they've never done before ...

That'll be the day !!

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

Sorry for posting this twice, I only just saw this thread.
Some of my suggestions would be:
"I Am Waiting", "Citadel", "Parachute Woman", "Slave", "Heaven", "Tie You Up", "Jiving Sister Fanny"

Ballad: Ditch Wild Horses and Angie, and alternate between Memory Motel, Moonlight Mile, Lady Jane or Back Street Girl instead.
Rocker: Ditch IORR, HTW and TD, and alternate between SFM, Bitch, All Down The Line, Rip This Joint and Monkey Man instead.
Jam: Alternate between MR, CYHMK and Slave
«Ultra-Hits»: Ditch SFTD and YCAGWYW, and play Hot Stuff and Salt Of The Earth instead.

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Ballad: Ditch Wild Horses and Angie, and alternate between Memory Motel, Moonlight Mile, Lady Jane or Back Street Girl instead.
Rocker: Ditch IORR, HTW and TD, and alternate between SFM, Bitch, All Down The Line, Rip This Joint and Monkey Man instead.
Jam: Alternate between MR, CYHMK and Slave
«Ultra-Hits»: Ditch SFTD and YCAGWYW, and play Hot Stuff and Salt Of The Earth instead.

And I would really love to see a Chuck Berry song that they've never done before as the 3rd or 4th song in the setlist.

....Why not 2000 man (this great song) in 2016....!

Okey, just for the stupidity of it. One more alternative setlist which will never see the light of the day:

1) Let it rock
2) Oh no, not you again...
3) All the way down
4) Hold on to your hat
5) Just my imagination
6) Shattered
7) Lies
8) Keith section: One More Shot
9) 999
10) Rocks off
11) Casino boogie
12) All down the line
13) Start me up
14) Street fighting man
15) Brown sugar
16) Encore: Moonlight mile

phew....

On my gig on Wednesday I did As Tears Go By with a full choir as the encore.

That worked. Just saying