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Exile is the greatest rock album

and not least of which because it carries it's consistency over 4 sides of vinyl. It's hard to make a great single album, Exile isn't just an album, it's a place.

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Exile is the greatest rock album

and not least of which because it carries it's consistency over 4 sides of vinyl. It's hard to make a great single album, Exile isn't just an album, it's a place.

That's great and absolutely right. Exile On Main St is a place you can visit if you're feeling happy, sad or anything in between. It's where the bar stays open all night and the dancing never stops. You can hang out, invite your friends over and always have a great time.

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Exile is the greatest rock album

and not least of which because it carries it's consistency over 4 sides of vinyl. It's hard to make a great single album, Exile isn't just an album, it's a place.

That's great and absolutely right. Exile On Main St is a place you can visit if you're feeling happy, sad or anything in between. It's where the bar stays open all night and the dancing never stops. You can hang out, invite your friends over and always have a great time.

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Ron Wood should not have overdubbed on Goats Head Soup/IORR tracks. That was a sin!

That is strange. Ronnie didn't do anything for the EXILE deluxe but because TATTOO YOU got a second 'whatever' album - he didn't overdub anything on Tops, Worried, Slave or Waiting On A Friend originally.

Why wasn't Mick Taylor involved for those bonus tracks? He was for Plundered. If he was for anything else on that one no one said.

Listen to the Nicky/Bill mixes of EOMS tracks - the very same version of I'm Not Signifying is track one. Taylor certainly did further work on it since it seems to be a live studio mix. It's obvious of the editing involved but Taylor's guitar is completely different from the official release.

If you listen to the Fully Finished Outtakes, you'll see that Wood's overdubs on Living in the Heart of Love and Fast Talking, Slow Walking are frivolous. Totally unnecessary, as those songs just needed finished vocals.

Yes, I have heard multiple mixes of I'm Not Signifying. One is definitely older, and Taylor doesn't play slide. The versions with slide seem to both be original Exile versions.

Jimmy Miller once said they had a finished track called I'm Not Signifying. This was right around the time of Exile and I can't find it for the life of me. What makes you think there weren't two different takes?

There's the version without piano and horns, it's much simpler. The Nicky/Bill mix indeed sounds like the take that appeared on the deluxe but the guitar playing is nothing at all like the finished version so perhaps Taylor did additional work on it in 1971.

Right. The version without horns is purportedly from Jan 30th 1971, and Stu is on piano BTW.

The Hopkins Tapes version seems to have some Richards guitar in the beginning that was mixed out of Exile deluxe. It also sounds like it plays at the wrong speed, I'll need to load it into Pro Tools and check it out. I'm pretty sure it's a different take as the released version. Jagger said in an interview "Signifying" was all original, for whatever that's worth.

There are signature aspects, musically, that, to my ears, reveal it to be the officially released version. But, as they did, it could be take 3 of 25 that all sound basically the same. How spot on could Charlie and the horns be for each take to sound similar?

Listen to it again, notice certain aspects, musically - not T guitar, not Mick - and I you'll hear it: it's THE take on the deluxe. Just because a bootleg reveals A doesn't mean they didn't work on it further, which, unless Mick was hiding more than just Taylor recording new guitar for Plundered, means they worked on it in 1971. The horns are there. That kind of gives it away, especially certain aspects of it. Mick said all he added were vocals.

Yet one can't truly take what Mick says to heart because he admits he can't remember. Keith is just as bad.

It was 1971. That's a long time ago.

There are a lot of tracks floating around, but not with the current vocals on them, because they didn't exist. We tried to use tracks that hadn't been so heavily bootlegged.
- Mick Jagger, 2010

[timeisonourside.com]

Whatever "current" means - they had live vocals, "ghost" or not. "Current" meaning what, exactly? He doesn't elaborate but obviously he meant "existing" vocals. Which some did have - he just couldn't remember.

People have gone off about Mick's vocals since EXILE deluxe. Maybe this BAB deluxe will be untouched. Nico's site is extremely reliable but that points out the obvious: not 100%. There are recordings that have not been documented (they are now). Plundered is one.

No one can say because they weren't there - and even the Stones get it wrong.

A lot when on in the 1975 sessions and there may be more than is listed. Maybe this deluxe will reveal that. Maybe in 20 years something will be released that reveals more: who knows.

As has been expressed over the years that the wanting to know fans amount is fading. The Stones did not make do when the could've in the 1990s, for whatever reason they waited other than it's because they're an ongoing band and basically ignored their past just enough.

Throw your nose at the past just enough... eh, not in this sense: people want to know and listen/hear.

I spent a few minutes lining them up and comparing. It's the same take.


• The Hopkins Tape start later than Exile Deluxe and plays a little fast. Who knows how degenerated the tape was before we finally hear the digital boot. It's a terrible mix, but it's probably mainly the tape quality.

• Keith's guitar on the Hopkins Tapes was mixed out of the deluxe version

• Jagger added finished vocals in LA after Nellcote, updating the Hopkins tape. This confirms Jimmy Miller's quote (which I wish I could find)

• Taylor's guitar sounds the same; notice around 1:40 Mick Taylor's slide licks are identical to the Hopkins Tapes. You just have to be aware that they don't line up perfectly because the boot's tape speed is off.

• Jagger added harmonica in the 2000's for Exile Deluxe

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Ron Wood should not have overdubbed on Goats Head Soup/IORR tracks. That was a sin!

That is strange. Ronnie didn't do anything for the EXILE deluxe but because TATTOO YOU got a second 'whatever' album - he didn't overdub anything on Tops, Worried, Slave or Waiting On A Friend originally.

Why wasn't Mick Taylor involved for those bonus tracks? He was for Plundered. If he was for anything else on that one no one said.

Listen to the Nicky/Bill mixes of EOMS tracks - the very same version of I'm Not Signifying is track one. Taylor certainly did further work on it since it seems to be a live studio mix. It's obvious of the editing involved but Taylor's guitar is completely different from the official release.

If you listen to the Fully Finished Outtakes, you'll see that Wood's overdubs on Living in the Heart of Love and Fast Talking, Slow Walking are frivolous. Totally unnecessary, as those songs just needed finished vocals.

Yes, I have heard multiple mixes of I'm Not Signifying. One is definitely older, and Taylor doesn't play slide. The versions with slide seem to both be original Exile versions.

Jimmy Miller once said they had a finished track called I'm Not Signifying. This was right around the time of Exile and I can't find it for the life of me. What makes you think there weren't two different takes?

There's the version without piano and horns, it's much simpler. The Nicky/Bill mix indeed sounds like the take that appeared on the deluxe but the guitar playing is nothing at all like the finished version so perhaps Taylor did additional work on it in 1971.

Right. The version without horns is purportedly from Jan 30th 1971, and Stu is on piano BTW.

The Hopkins Tapes version seems to have some Richards guitar in the beginning that was mixed out of Exile deluxe. It also sounds like it plays at the wrong speed, I'll need to load it into Pro Tools and check it out. I'm pretty sure it's a different take as the released version. Jagger said in an interview "Signifying" was all original, for whatever that's worth.

There are signature aspects, musically, that, to my ears, reveal it to be the officially released version. But, as they did, it could be take 3 of 25 that all sound basically the same. How spot on could Charlie and the horns be for each take to sound similar?

Listen to it again, notice certain aspects, musically - not T guitar, not Mick - and I you'll hear it: it's THE take on the deluxe. Just because a bootleg reveals A doesn't mean they didn't work on it further, which, unless Mick was hiding more than just Taylor recording new guitar for Plundered, means they worked on it in 1971. The horns are there. That kind of gives it away, especially certain aspects of it. Mick said all he added were vocals.

Yet one can't truly take what Mick says to heart because he admits he can't remember. Keith is just as bad.

It was 1971. That's a long time ago.

There are a lot of tracks floating around, but not with the current vocals on them, because they didn't exist. We tried to use tracks that hadn't been so heavily bootlegged.
- Mick Jagger, 2010

[timeisonourside.com]

Whatever "current" means - they had live vocals, "ghost" or not. "Current" meaning what, exactly? He doesn't elaborate but obviously he meant "existing" vocals. Which some did have - he just couldn't remember.

People have gone off about Mick's vocals since EXILE deluxe. Maybe this BAB deluxe will be untouched. Nico's site is extremely reliable but that points out the obvious: not 100%. There are recordings that have not been documented (they are now). Plundered is one.

No one can say because they weren't there - and even the Stones get it wrong.

A lot when on in the 1975 sessions and there may be more than is listed. Maybe this deluxe will reveal that. Maybe in 20 years something will be released that reveals more: who knows.

As has been expressed over the years that the wanting to know fans amount is fading. The Stones did not make do when the could've in the 1990s, for whatever reason they waited other than it's because they're an ongoing band and basically ignored their past just enough.

Throw your nose at the past just enough... eh, not in this sense: people want to know and listen/hear.

I spent a few minutes lining them up and comparing. It's the same take.


• The Hopkins Tape start later than Exile Deluxe and plays a little fast. Who knows how degenerated the tape was before we finally hear the digital boot. It's a terrible mix, but it's probably mainly the tape quality.

• Keith's guitar on the Hopkins Tapes was mixed out of the deluxe version

• Jagger added finished vocals in LA after Nellcote, updating the Hopkins tape. This confirms Jimmy Miller's quote (which I wish I could find)

• Taylor's guitar sounds the same; notice around 1:40 Mick Taylor's slide licks are identical to the Hopkins Tapes. You just have to be aware that they don't line up perfectly because the boot's tape speed is off.

• Jagger added harmonica in the 2000's for Exile Deluxe

Looking for the Jimmy Miller quote.

While looking I found this, which is completely whack - apparently Keith spent £6,000 per week on food, alcohol and drugs. If that were now it would equate to £108,380.74.

[recordcollectormag.com]

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I did every possible word search I could think of and found more things from Andy Johns than Jimmy Miller!

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With the fantastic and inimitable Nicky Hopkins... not to be compared with Chuck

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I'm getting closer lol:

"We've been recording a lot. There's nothing better to do in France. So we've recorded a lot of things in the past few months. When we came to put together Exile On Main Street, we discarded 10 tracks and still had 18 left. We've cut at least 30 tracks in France." - Jimmy Miller 1972

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Strange. If something needed to be added why not call Taylor?

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Strange. If something needed to be added why not call Taylor?

Because Taylor and (especially) his manager had several falling outs with Jagger and Richards.

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The original solo on Fast Talking Slow Walking sounds a lot like Taylor's tone and FX (3:10) on My Girl from the Herbie Mann Reggae album

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The original solo on Fast Talking Slow Walking sounds a lot like Taylor's tone and FX (3:10) on My Girl from the Herbie Mann Reggae album

Taylor doesn't play on the original Fast Talking...It's all Keith, including the wah/leslie solo. The acoustic could be Taylor, but I don't think so.

The main issue with the original version is that Keith plays out of tune quite a bit (listen to the Fully Finished Outtake version, from 0:59 to 1:42, Keith is really struggling with Jagger's minor bends) that they needed to fix by editing out large chunks of his original rhythm guitar, replacing it new rhyhm guitar by Wood. The same goes for the solo, which is bordering being out of tune and therefore needed replacement by new parts by Wood. They mainly kept Keith's outro licks in the ending.

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The original solo on Fast Talking Slow Walking sounds a lot like Taylor's tone and FX (3:10) on My Girl from the Herbie Mann Reggae album

Taylor doesn't play on the original Fast Talking...It's all Keith, including the wah/leslie solo. The acoustic could be Taylor, but I don't think so.

The main issue with the original version is that Keith plays out of tune quite a bit (listen to the Fully Finished Outtake version, from 0:59 to 1:42, Keith is really struggling with Jagger's minor bends) that they needed to fix by editing out large chunks of his original rhythm guitar, replacing it new rhyhm guitar by Wood. The same goes for the solo, which is bordering being out of tune and therefore needed replacement by new parts by Wood. They mainly kept Keith's outro licks in the ending.

Mathijs

I’ve gone back and forth on this one as far as Taylor playing acoustic. I think he’s credited on guitar.

But do check out the tone on My Girl. It does sound like Keith (except for the long bends, I’ve not heard him do that) and he sounds like he’s playing through Taylor’s rig IMO.

Or could this be Stills? We have sources for this song going back to 70-1971, don’t we?

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The original solo on Fast Talking Slow Walking sounds a lot like Taylor's tone and FX (3:10) on My Girl from the Herbie Mann Reggae album

Taylor doesn't play on the original Fast Talking...It's all Keith, including the wah/leslie solo. The acoustic could be Taylor, but I don't think so.

The main issue with the original version is that Keith plays out of tune quite a bit (listen to the Fully Finished Outtake version, from 0:59 to 1:42, Keith is really struggling with Jagger's minor bends) that they needed to fix by editing out large chunks of his original rhythm guitar, replacing it new rhyhm guitar by Wood. The same goes for the solo, which is bordering being out of tune and therefore needed replacement by new parts by Wood. They mainly kept Keith's outro licks in the ending.

Mathijs

I’ve gone back and forth on this one as far as Taylor playing acoustic. I think he’s credited on guitar.

But do check out the tone on My Girl. It does sound like Keith (except for the long bends, I’ve not heard him do that) and he sounds like he’s playing through Taylor’s rig IMO.

Or could this be Stills? We have sources for this song going back to 70-1971, don’t we?

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If Keith played all the guitars on the original song, and some were out of tune, why didn’t he do the overdubs and not Wood.Did he not like the song and maybe didn’t want it officially released?