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Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: matxil ()
Date: December 28, 2015 12:23

Sympathy for the Devil 10/10
No Expectations 10/10
Dear Doctor 7/10
Parachute Woman 9/10
Jigsaw Puzzle 10/10
Street Fighting Man 7/10
Prodigal Son 9/10
Stray Cat Blues 10/10
Factory Girl 9/10
Salt of the Earth 10/10

I gave DD and SFM relatively low marks because I don't really think they are great songs, but, however, the production, the sound of them as with the other songs is perfect, the entire album has a perfect sound. This is their first really great album (although I'll always have a weak spot for their first album and for Aftermath (the UK versions) too).

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: HMS ()
Date: December 28, 2015 16:09

Sympathy for the Devil 10/10
No Expectations 6/10
Dear Doctor 1/10
Parachute Woman 7/10
Jigsaw Puzzle 10/10
Street Fighting Man 10/10
Prodigal Son 7/10
Stray Cat Blues 10/10
Factory Girl 7/10
Salt of the Earth 10/10

Although this album is not perfect, it is a great one. Besides the warhorses Sympathy & SFM the real gems on this one are Jigsaw Puzzle, Stray Cat Blues & Salt Of The Earth.

Sticky Fingers is the better album - and so is LIB - but BB is much better than the overrated EOMS.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: December 28, 2015 16:21

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Turner68
Jigsaw Puzzle 8/10
Salt of the Earth 9/10

Ooh, those hurt. To me those are slam dunk 10/10.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: December 28, 2015 17:15

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LeonidP
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Turner68
Jigsaw Puzzle 8/10
Salt of the Earth 9/10

Ooh, those hurt. To me those are slam dunk 10/10.

Not as bad as some grunger ranking No Expectations 6/10.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: December 28, 2015 17:19

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Rockman


Mick Jagger -- Rolling Stone No19 - 1968

Nice redundancy, Mick.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: December 28, 2015 17:57

Sympathy for the Devil 10+/10
No Expectations 10+/10
Dear Doctor 10/10
Parachute Woman 10/10
Jigsaw Puzzle 9/10
Street Fighting Man 10+/10
Prodigal Son 10/10
Stray Cat Blues 10/10
Factory Girl 10/10
Salt of the Earth 10/10

This album is the blueprint for what I'd consider 'Classic Stones', and established themselves apart from the Beatles and other bands.
Not saying they were better than the Beatles, just that they now had their own unique stamp, and would follow this recipe to create some of their best music for years to come.

No Expectations...good lord what a tune. Hearing it on a good stereo system is like sitting in the same room with them.
You can hear the tension of the strings on the frets, and Brian's slide is sooo bittersweet - you can sense the end is near for him.
And Nicky's piano... perfect.

Sympathy and SFM are simply out of this world superior songs that are part of the pantheon of the best songs ever written and recorded by anyone in any genre of music - they will live on for eternity.

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: December 28, 2015 18:01

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GasLightStreet
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DandelionPowderman
BEGGARS BANQUET



Preproduction:
Early-mid February 1968: Keith Richards' home (Redlands), West Wittering, Sussex, England
February 21-Mid-March 1968: R. G. Jones Studios, Morden, Surrey, England

Recorded:

March 17-April 3, 1968: Olympic Sound Studios, London, England
May 9-23, 1968: Olympic Sound Studios, London, England
June 4-10, 1968: Olympic Sound Studios, London, England
June 24-28, 1968: Olympic Sound Studios, London, England

Postproduction:

July 6-25, 1968: Sunset Sound Studios, Los Angeles, USA

Producer: Jimmy Miller
Chief engineers: Glyn Johns & Eddie Kramer
Released: December 1968
Original label: London Records (Polygram)

Contributing musicians:

Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts, Bill Wyman, Brian Jones, Nicky Hopkins, Jimmy Miller, Dave Mason, Rocky Dijon, Rick Grech, Marianne Faithfull, Anita Pallenberg, Watts Street (L.A.) gospel choir.

Sympathy for the Devil
No Expectations
Dear Doctor
Parachute Woman
Jigsaw Puzzle
Street Fighting Man
Prodigal Son
Stray Cat Blues
Factory Girl
Salt of the Earth

Corrected for technical errors.

For those of us residing in the UK, the label was of course DECCA RECORDS.
Difficult to forget, given the very silly dispute over the album's cover sleeve.
Delayed release by 3 to 4 months and wouldnt have clashed with the release of the Beales White Album.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: December 28, 2015 18:05

Ah, that's right! And then eventually... ABKCO Records.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: December 28, 2015 19:05

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GasLightStreet
Ah, that's right! And then eventually... ABKCO Records.

Yes, although DECCA for some reason got a credit on the 2002 40 Licks album.
Never understood why, when they had been out of the picture so long.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: December 28, 2015 19:23

Some history of London Records based on wikipedia... I thought it was just some American version of Decca. It's still an active label under UMG.

London arose from the split in ownership between the British branch of Decca Records and that same company's USA branch; the American London label released British Decca records in the USA, since it could not use the "Decca" name there. They were noted for their classical albums made in then state-of-the-art stereophonic sound. Such artists as Georg Solti, Joan Sutherland and Luciano Pavarotti made many, if not all, of their recordings for the company.

The London name was also used by British Decca in the UK market to release American labels which British Decca licensed, such as Imperial, Chess, Dot, Atlantic, Specialty and Sun, as well as the first two UK releases from Motown. In the sixties more licensing deals were made with Big Top, Monument, Parrot, Philles and Hi, and London Atlantic, London Monument and London Dot became subsidiaries. (An unusual feature was the letter code in the numbering system: see Catalog numbering systems for single records.) The label bore the logo "London American Recordings", and on Radio Luxembourg it was known as "London American".
1965 London Records trade ad for the Rolling Stones

In America, the label was best known as the American imprint of the pre-1971 recordings of the Rolling Stones (now owned by ABKCO). The label also originally issued some early LPs and singles by Texas-based band ZZ Top (whose catalog went to Warner Brothers when the band moved there).





Then there's this bit about Decca Records:

Former stockbroker Edward Lewis formed The Decca Record Company Limited in the United Kingdom in 1929. The company started releasing records under the Decca trademark.

A US branch, Decca Records, Inc., was launched in 1934. This branch was sold off during World War II, but the UK & US companies continued to release each other’s recordings in their respective territories. In the UK, US Decca recordings were released on the Brunswick label from 1934 until 1968, when the MCA Records label was established. Brunswick was also used elsewhere in Europe and other countries. However, some European countries released recordings from the two companies on the same Decca label, sometimes with the extra slogan “American Series”.

In 1935, The Decca Record Company Limited contracted with EMI companies in Australia, New Zealand, India and elsewhere for the release of UK & US Decca recordings in those territories. This deal gave US Decca the rights to release recordings from the Parlophone and Odeon labels in North America.

In 1947, The Decca Record Company established the London Records trademark in the US, Canada, South America, and the Far East, as they couldn't use their own Decca trademark in those territories anymore.

In the early 1960’s, following MCA, Inc’s acquisition of US Decca, the company name appearing on releases became Decca Records, A Division Of MCA, Inc. The company name became MCA Records, Inc. in 1971. MCA Records was then established as an American label in 1973 to replace the Decca, Coral, Kapp Records, UNI Records and Vocalion labels.


[www.discogs.com]

I suppose this is a good example of that bit about how corporations are considered people too in the arrogance of some US politicians, seeing how the Stones had big issues with Decca Records even though... Decca Records the label had no issues, just Decca Records the people had issues with the Stones...

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: December 28, 2015 20:09

YES, and it shows how corporations are constantly evolving and changing.
Despite the big hype over the 1965 recording deal neither the group nor Klein were able to get the product out without the final ok from the record company.
I suppose technically it could still happen with UMG and Promotone(the Stones)

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: Turner68 ()
Date: December 28, 2015 21:20

Record companies are artifacts of the 20th century. In ten years there will be none. Artists will keep much more of their earnings. There will be integrated marketing and management firms who will sign artists and do cross promotions (tv, movies, YouTube, consumer products, apps, etc)

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: TheBadRabbit ()
Date: December 29, 2015 00:18

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pepganzo
Fantastic album.
I'll buy a new copy of BB in cd. In your opinion which is the best version/edition?

The ABKCO 2002 release seems to be the pick. Apparently, earlier versions were mastered at the wrong speed.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-12-29 02:40 by TheBadRabbit.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: TornAndFried ()
Date: December 29, 2015 00:31

For discussion: If Jumpin' Jack Flash had been included on BB where in the song sequence would it have worked best?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2015-12-29 00:33 by TornAndFried.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: pt99 ()
Date: December 29, 2015 03:12

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DandelionPowderman
BEGGARS BANQUET



Preproduction:
Early-mid February 1968: Keith Richards' home (Redlands), West Wittering, Sussex, England
February 21-Mid-March 1968: R. G. Jones Studios, Morden, Surrey, England

Recorded:

March 17-April 3, 1968: Olympic Sound Studios, London, England
May 9-23, 1968: Olympic Sound Studios, London, England
June 4-10, 1968: Olympic Sound Studios, London, England
June 24-28, 1968: Olympic Sound Studios, London, England

Overdubbed & mixed:

July 6-25, 1968: Sunset Sound Studios, Los Angeles, USA

Producer: Jimmy Miller
Chief engineers: Glyn Johns & Eddie Kramer
Released: December 1968
Original label: London Records (Polygram)

Contributing musicians:

Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts, Bill Wyman, Brian Jones, Nicky Hopkins, Jimmy Miller, Dave Mason, Rocky Dijon, Rick Grech, Marianne Faithfull, Anita Pallenberg, Watts Street (L.A.) gospel choir.

Sympathy for the Devil
No Expectations
Dear Doctor
Parachute Woman
Jigsaw Puzzle
Street Fighting Man
Prodigal Son
Stray Cat Blues
Factory Girl
Salt of the Earth

What are your thoughts on this album?

The greatest album ever

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: saltoftheearth ()
Date: December 29, 2015 10:16

thumbs up
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potus43
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DandelionPowderman
BEGGARS BANQUET



Preproduction:
Early-mid February 1968: Keith Richards' home (Redlands), West Wittering, Sussex, England
February 21-Mid-March 1968: R. G. Jones Studios, Morden, Surrey, England

Recorded:

March 17-April 3, 1968: Olympic Sound Studios, London, England
May 9-23, 1968: Olympic Sound Studios, London, England
June 4-10, 1968: Olympic Sound Studios, London, England
June 24-28, 1968: Olympic Sound Studios, London, England

Overdubbed & mixed:

July 6-25, 1968: Sunset Sound Studios, Los Angeles, USA

Producer: Jimmy Miller
Chief engineers: Glyn Johns & Eddie Kramer
Released: December 1968
Original label: London Records (Polygram)

Contributing musicians:

Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts, Bill Wyman, Brian Jones, Nicky Hopkins, Jimmy Miller, Dave Mason, Rocky Dijon, Rick Grech, Marianne Faithfull, Anita Pallenberg, Watts Street (L.A.) gospel choir.

Sympathy for the Devil
No Expectations
Dear Doctor
Parachute Woman
Jigsaw Puzzle
Street Fighting Man
Prodigal Son
Stray Cat Blues
Factory Girl
Salt of the Earth

What are your thoughts on this album?

The greatest album ever

thumbs up +1

It is not the individula Songs that make it a classic but the concept.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: Maindefender ()
Date: December 29, 2015 10:53

Damn, I don't think a four album run can ever match what the Stones did starting with BB.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: December 29, 2015 13:03

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GasLightStreet
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LeonidP
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Turner68
Jigsaw Puzzle 8/10
Salt of the Earth 9/10

Ooh, those hurt. To me those are slam dunk 10/10.

Not as bad as some grunger ranking No Expectations 6/10.

another slam dunk 10/10, but again that tool isn't what i consider a stones fan anyway.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Date: December 29, 2015 13:10

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TornAndFried
For discussion: If Jumpin' Jack Flash had been included on BB where in the song sequence would it have worked best?

As the opening track.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: December 29, 2015 13:39

As for the ranking:

Sympathy for the Devil 10
No Expectations 10***
Dear Doctor 10
Parachute Woman 10*
Jigsaw Puzzle 10*
Street Fighting Man 9
Prodigal Son 10**
Stray Cat Blues 10**
Factory Girl 10***
Salt of the Earth 10**

when highest possible is: 10***** for example Tell Me,Rip This Joint

2 1 2 0

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Date: December 29, 2015 14:02

There more I listen to BB, the more I'm convinced of this album being their masterpiece. They would never convey the same emotions; mystique and danger again.

What an album!

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: ash ()
Date: December 29, 2015 17:51

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Come On
As for the ranking:

Sympathy for the Devil 10
No Expectations 10***
Dear Doctor 10
Parachute Woman 10*
Jigsaw Puzzle 10*
Street Fighting Man 9
Prodigal Son 10**
Stray Cat Blues 10**
Factory Girl 10***
Salt of the Earth 10**

when highest possible is: 10***** for example Tell Me,Rip This Joint

really don't get the love for Tell Me ! Worst backing vocals ever by a major band (arrangement and tunefulness) and lyrics worse than Love Me Do.
Rip This Joint and Beggars though...yep except Salt Of The Earth which just doesn't ring true to me when the band effectively had/have servants to cater for their whims ! (Keylock was more the salt in the wounds rather than the salt of the earth)
I'd maybe open the LP with JJF, dump Salt and replace it with SFTD. That kind of makes perfection more perfect.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: December 29, 2015 18:43

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Turner68
Record companies are artifacts of the 20th century. In ten years there will be none. Artists will keep much more of their earnings. There will be integrated marketing and management firms who will sign artists and do cross promotions (tv, movies, YouTube, consumer products, apps, etc)

This reminded me of this interview with Arthur C. Clark from 1974.

Arthur C. Clarke Predicts the Internet





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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: December 30, 2015 23:14

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LeonidP
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GasLightStreet
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LeonidP
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Turner68
Jigsaw Puzzle 8/10
Salt of the Earth 9/10

Ooh, those hurt. To me those are slam dunk 10/10.

Not as bad as some grunger ranking No Expectations 6/10.

another slam dunk 10/10, but again that tool isn't what i consider a stones fan anyway.

A tool... ha ha! How polite of you!

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: December 30, 2015 23:16

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DandelionPowderman
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TornAndFried
For discussion: If Jumpin' Jack Flash had been included on BB where in the song sequence would it have worked best?

As the opening track.

Indeed.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: December 30, 2015 23:26

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TheBadRabbit
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pepganzo
Fantastic album.
I'll buy a new copy of BB in cd. In your opinion which is the best version/edition?

The ABKCO 2002 release seems to be the pick. Apparently, earlier versions were mastered at the wrong speed.

Those 2002 Ludwig remasters sound incredible thanks to Bob Ludwig. Too bad UMG had ol' Brickwall Marcussen screw up their 1971-2005 catalogue instead of just reissuing the excellent 1994 Ludwig Virgina Records remasters.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: buttons67 ()
Date: December 30, 2015 23:40

beggars banquet is joint top of the pile with exile.

if you add in

jj flash and child of the moon, youve got a fantastic collection of material released in 1968.

i was born around this time so its only fitting i got into this album.

i bought it in may 1989, and was peasantly surprised as to how good it is.

no expectations and jigsaw puzzle remain my favourite 2 on the album.

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: Maindefender ()
Date: December 31, 2015 02:52

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DandelionPowderman
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TornAndFried
For discussion: If Jumpin' Jack Flash had been included on BB where in the song sequence would it have worked best?

As the opening track.

In the Street Fighting Man slot

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: umakmehrd ()
Date: December 31, 2015 02:56

I simply love Dear Doctor...

Re: ALBUM TALK: Beggars Banquet
Posted by: BreakingBlues ()
Date: December 31, 2015 22:47

A great album that stays engaging throughout every song, with several truly great songs. With -- well, I was going to list great tracks but that would've involved listing all of them smiling smiley I particularly love Jigsaw Puzzle and Salt of the Earth.

With regards to what people have said about this album compared to its direct predecessor - as someone who actually likes TSMR and thinks it's a good album (b/c I don't care what the Stones think), I'm not sure BB was a much-needed turnaround from TSMR as I think TSMR is possibly the most pivotal album in the Stones catalog. There, I said it. IMHO had TSMR not been released and been a commercial failure (and a musical failure from the band's perspective) they would've never stepped back and "returned to their roots" and released the Golden Four of BB, LIB, SF, and EOMS, all of which are even better than TSMR.

That's just my two cents, and I like every song on BB.

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