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Was Kenny G not available?

Isn´t he doing porn now?

Is he? I ran into him in restaurants - twice. Years apart and in different cities. Talk about random...

Did you get his autograph?

.....Yes, I know, he ain't no Bobby Keys. But the show Stones must go on.....

.....On second thought, I wonder what Ernie Watts is doing. Maybe they could ask him, and it would sound more like the '81 tour--at least from the horn section.

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Did you get his autograph?

No. One time he was complaining about sushi and the other he was at a lunch counter in NY complaining about something to this agent on his cell phone.

after listening to this, its just so different, but Karl D is doing a good job with the shorter solo, managing to play his own version with quotes from Bobby Keys

then Ronnie, I don't know what to make of what he does..

but I get the feeling they were glad just to get through the song.

I only want to listen once to this..

the recent ones with Mick T and Bobby, especially Glastonbury, are compelling, I could listen to that stuff many many times, and have..

Not to get into that comparison but I think Ronnie did a far better job with his tasteful CYHMK solo this year than Taylor did overplaying in 2013.

Bobby did a better sax solo on CYHMK but I keep in mind that it's Denson's second time playing that song in concert with the Stones...

I think Karl's more jazz style makes Charlie happy and anything that keeps Charlie happy and on board is OK with me. Besides anything that mixes up the Stone's live music at this point is a good thing. Bobby was great but you can't deny he was somewhat predictable.

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Not to get into that comparison but I think Ronnie did a far better job with his tasteful CYHMK solo this year than Taylor did overplaying in 2013.

Bobby did a better sax solo on CYHMK but I keep in mind that it's Denson's second time playing that song in concert with the Stones...

i have also noticed a tendency by taylor to overplay.

Seems odd that they are not mentioning Bobby at the shows, but I guess that's how the Stones have always rolled...another goodbye to another good friend...

Taylor does overplay but Keef and Ron just don't strike me as all that good or exciting in the lead guitar stakes right now. They should get Taylor back and get Anita to use her witchy voodoo stuff to raise Eric Dolphy from the dead or at least John Coltrane. I'd like to hear those guys overplay CYHMK for an hour or two with Charlie.

I posted this link on another thread on IORR a while ago, but KDTU doing all of Sticky Fingers is really worth a listen. Smoking hot show...

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Taylor does overplay but Keef and Ron just don't strike me as all that good or exciting in the lead guitar stakes right now. They should get Taylor back and get Anita to use her witchy voodoo stuff to raise Eric Dolphy from the dead or at least John Coltrane. I'd like to hear those guys overplay CYHMK for an hour or two with Charlie.

I'd rather see Brian Jones get raised from the dead so that we can see how he'd perform with the Stones these days... he might be able add something to CYHMK...

Karl Denson is doing a great job with the Stones. We all miss Bobby for sure, but Karl is a very good sax player. He wouldn't get his job with the Stones if he were just an average player. He's not better or worse than Bobby, he's just different, like when Darryl started to play bass with the Stones.

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i agree. i feel that Chuck is a complete disaster.

How is he a disaster? I love his playing on Angie, Jumping Jack Flash and You Can't Always Get.. to name a few.
I've never liked his solo on Honky Tonk Women, it feels a bit too Vegas, but otherwise I think he does a great job on most tunes.

you nailed the heart of it with your comment about HTW. Chuck's solos are very pedestrian, Vegas yes, but not even on the main strip of Vegas, more like the seedy outskirts of vegas.

if they cut his solos and "fills" i would be fine.

in addition to HTW i think he is ruining SFTD on this tour. a back line musician castrating 2 out of 20 songs in a show is what i would call a disaster.

Karl is awesome.

Chuck's hammond and Rhodes playing is still great. It is the mid-range piano tinkling that doesn't work so well, imo.

It's the inappropriate tinkling that gets me. He turns the dark Midnight Rambler into a Farrell's Ice Cream Parlor Happy Birthday song.

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i agree. i feel that Chuck is a complete disaster.

How is he a disaster? I love his playing on Angie, Jumping Jack Flash and You Can't Always Get.. to name a few.
I've never liked his solo on Honky Tonk Women, it feels a bit too Vegas, but otherwise I think he does a great job on most tunes.

you nailed the heart of it with your comment about HTW. Chuck's solos are very pedestrian, Vegas yes, but not even on the main strip of Vegas, more like the seedy outskirts of vegas.

if they cut his solos and "fills" i would be fine.

in addition to HTW i think he is ruining SFTD on this tour. a back line musician castrating 2 out of 20 songs in a show is what i would call a disaster.

Karl is awesome.

Chuck's hammond and Rhodes playing is still great. It is the mid-range piano tinkling that doesn't work so well, imo.

It's the inappropriate tinkling that gets me. He turns the dark Midnight Rambler into a Farrell's Ice Cream Parlor Happy Birthday song.

been a long time since i've been to one of those but i know exactly what you mean.

maybe people wouldn't mind the warhorses as much if chuck's tinkling was eliminated.

someone should have taught him to tinkle in private.

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We all miss Bobby Keyes -- and there's no replacing him.
He was one of a kind.
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But as others have said -- trying to sound exactly like Bobby won't work.
Doing your best to evoke the spirit and energy of his work in your solos is the best tribute you can give him and in the end all that you can do,

And while we all feel the void, other than his daughter family -- Keith probably misses him the most.

Bobby has three sons as well..

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i agree. i feel that Chuck is a complete disaster.

How is he a disaster? I love his playing on Angie, Jumping Jack Flash and You Can't Always Get.. to name a few.
I've never liked his solo on Honky Tonk Women, it feels a bit too Vegas, but otherwise I think he does a great job on most tunes.

you nailed the heart of it with your comment about HTW. Chuck's solos are very pedestrian, Vegas yes, but not even on the main strip of Vegas, more like the seedy outskirts of vegas.

if they cut his solos and "fills" i would be fine.

in addition to HTW i think he is ruining SFTD on this tour. a back line musician castrating 2 out of 20 songs in a show is what i would call a disaster.

Karl is awesome.

Chuck's hammond and Rhodes playing is still great. It is the mid-range piano tinkling that doesn't work so well, imo.

It's the inappropriate tinkling that gets me. He turns the dark Midnight Rambler into a Farrell's Ice Cream Parlor Happy Birthday song.

been a long time since i've been to one of those but i know exactly what you mean.

maybe people wouldn't mind the warhorses as much if chuck's tinkling was eliminated.

someone should have taught him to tinkle in private.

he's a place keeper and uses the heart of the keyboard to keep the guitars on track and offer something for MJ to follow amid the cavalier guitar assault. Chuck is forced to be less musical, he's on the job, directing traffic. He was outstanding with EC and of course ABB. This is a unique role, counting off, leading the band quietly heavy handed.

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I recently read an interview with Bob Weir about how they chose Vince Welnick to replace Brent Midland after he died. Essentially he said they didn't have time or energy to audition tons of players. They auditioned a small handful and picked Vince cause he was good enough & could sing. I would not be surprised if a similar thing happened when the Stones needed a sax player on short notice. Karl was recommended by Jaggers friend Kravitz. I'm sure he passed a quick audition & got the job cause they didn't want to bother with a full on search for a replacement.

I mean this in the politest way: "Are you kidding me?"

I did a little research to refresh my memory. [m.sfgate.com]

"We took the guy who could sing high and had pretty decent chops. That was good enough."

And it seems that Denton was essentially hired over Skype.
I sent out some of my music to them. They got it, liked it took it committee (for a band vote). A week later, I was on a Skype conference with Mick. That was this past Thursday; it all transpired pretty quickly."
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Vince got in the Dead because Jerry demanded it. He was his heroin buddy. I did jam with Vince once. I was blown away, he had ears and command of his instrument miles beyond most players I've experienced. The GD were a bad fit, the band knew the drug situation and hated him. Still the Bruce Hornsby , Vince combination played some tremendous shows. Is this the same ad Wood being Keith's buddy? Sort of but Wood has always been embraced.

I'm curious, are there any sax players here? Karl Denton is a great player. There's no replaing Bobby Keyes? Wow.

Shouldn't it read - Karl Denton Has a Great Saxophonist's Butt



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Vince got in the Dead because Jerry demanded it. He was his heroin buddy. I did jam with Vince once. I was blown away, he had ears and command of his instrument miles beyond most players I've experienced. The GD were a bad fit, the band knew the drug situation and hated him. Still the Bruce Hornsby , Vince combination played some tremendous shows. Is this the same ad Wood being Keith's buddy? Sort of but Wood has always been embraced.

Ahem....bullshit. I guess that's why Weir hired him to play with Rat Dog and Mickey Hart hired him to tour...all after Jerry died? Because they hated him?

The man obviously had his problems and eventually burned a few bridges but I seriously think you are selling the guy short. He may have become an eventual full fledged member at Jerry urging but I've no doubt musical considerations were a big part of his initial hiring and eventual membership. I believe no one would have survived in the Dead without the approval and support of all the other members. Jerry was a spiritual leader of sorts but he certainly wasn't the only voice in the business of the Dead from my experience.

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Vince got in the Dead because Jerry demanded it. He was his heroin buddy. I did jam with Vince once. I was blown away, he had ears and command of his instrument miles beyond most players I've experienced. The GD were a bad fit, the band knew the drug situation and hated him. Still the Bruce Hornsby , Vince combination played some tremendous shows. Is this the same ad Wood being Keith's buddy? Sort of but Wood has always been embraced.

Ahem....bullshit. I guess that's why Weir hired him to play with Rat Dog and Mickey Hart hired him to tour...all after Jerry died? Because they hated him?

The man obviously had his problems and eventually burned a few bridges but I seriously think you are selling the guy short. He may have become an eventual full fledged member at Jerry urging but I've no doubt musical considerations were a big part of his initial hiring and eventual membership. I believe no one would have survived in the Dead without the approval and support of all the other members. Jerry was a spiritual leader of sorts but he certainly wasn't the only voice in the business of the Dead from my experience.

peace

Weir stuck Vince in a cab when he od'd before a gig. They carried on with him to present more real members in the line up. He did not last long afterwards playing for them and his bitterness towards them was scathing. I don't know how Jerry forced Vince in but he did, he was a bizarre choice. Fans called him Casio Vince, he took the rejection to heart for his remaining days. In any case, you heard Vince with them, can you explain why he was there?



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Vince got in the Dead because Jerry demanded it. He was his heroin buddy. I did jam with Vince once. I was blown away, he had ears and command of his instrument miles beyond most players I've experienced. The GD were a bad fit, the band knew the drug situation and hated him. Still the Bruce Hornsby , Vince combination played some tremendous shows. Is this the same ad Wood being Keith's buddy? Sort of but Wood has always been embraced.

Ahem....bullshit. I guess that's why Weir hired him to play with Rat Dog and Mickey Hart hired him to tour...all after Jerry died? Because they hated him?

The man obviously had his problems and eventually burned a few bridges but I seriously think you are selling the guy short. He may have become an eventual full fledged member at Jerry urging but I've no doubt musical considerations were a big part of his initial hiring and eventual membership. I believe no one would have survived in the Dead without the approval and support of all the other members. Jerry was a spiritual leader of sorts but he certainly wasn't the only voice in the business of the Dead from my experience.

peace

Weir stuck Vince in a cab when he od'd before a gig. They carried on with him to present more real members in the line up. He did not last long afterwards playing for them and his bitterness towards them was scathing. I don't know how Jerry forced Vince in but he did, he was a bizarre choice. Fans called him Casio Vince, he took the rejection to heart for his remaining days. In any case, you heard Vince with them, can you explain why he was there?

Damn, don't know the reason for the cab ride, perhaps they all had things to hide and didn't want to get involved, sounds pretty awful. But the thought of Jerry forcing anything on the other members of the Dead just doesn't sound probable. I don't know, of course, but I have seen them interact as a band, making decisions both musical and otherwise and I tend to believe it wasn't as simple as that. Besides, Jerry obviously wasn't around to "force" Weir and Hart from asking him to join their perspective bands so I also think the inference that they hated him is obviously misplaced.

I imagine the truth is that it became very difficult to be around the deeply depressed and suicidal person Vince became after Jerry's death and people drifted away in order to protect their own state of minds and distance themselves from what they came to look as a pretty serious liability. Sad story that didn't end well.

And to put in in perspective, it's not like any of the Stones were very anxious to be around Keith when he was in his throes of addiction. I recall a story where none of them dared to go up the stairs at Nellcote during long Keith absences for fear of what they might find. Of course Ronnie wasn't around at the time.

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Vince got in the Dead because Jerry demanded it. He was his heroin buddy. I did jam with Vince once. I was blown away, he had ears and command of his instrument miles beyond most players I've experienced. The GD were a bad fit, the band knew the drug situation and hated him. Still the Bruce Hornsby , Vince combination played some tremendous shows. Is this the same ad Wood being Keith's buddy? Sort of but Wood has always been embraced.

Ahem....bullshit. I guess that's why Weir hired him to play with Rat Dog and Mickey Hart hired him to tour...all after Jerry died? Because they hated him?

The man obviously had his problems and eventually burned a few bridges but I seriously think you are selling the guy short. He may have become an eventual full fledged member at Jerry urging but I've no doubt musical considerations were a big part of his initial hiring and eventual membership. I believe no one would have survived in the Dead without the approval and support of all the other members. Jerry was a spiritual leader of sorts but he certainly wasn't the only voice in the business of the Dead from my experience.

peace

Weir stuck Vince in a cab when he od'd before a gig. They carried on with him to present more real members in the line up. He did not last long afterwards playing for them and his bitterness towards them was scathing. I don't know how Jerry forced Vince in but he did, he was a bizarre choice. Fans called him Casio Vince, he took the rejection to heart for his remaining days. In any case, you heard Vince with them, can you explain why he was there?

Damn, don't know the reason for the cab ride, perhaps they all had things to hide and didn't want to get involved, sounds pretty awful. But the thought of Jerry forcing anything on the other members of the Dead just doesn't sound probable. I don't know, of course, but I have seen them interact as a band, making decisions both musical and otherwise and I tend to believe it wasn't as simple as that. Besides, Jerry obviously wasn't around to "force" Weir and Hart from asking him to join their perspective bands so I also think the inference that they hated him is obviously misplaced.

I imagine the truth is that it became very difficult to be around the deeply depressed and suicidal person Vince became after Jerry's death and people drifted away in order to protect their own state of minds and distance themselves from what they came to look as a pretty serious liability. Sad story that didn't end well.

And to put in in perspective, it's not like any of the Stones were very anxious to be around Keith when he was in his throes of addiction. I recall a story where none of them dared to go up the stairs at Nellcote during long Keith absences for fear of what they might find. Of course Ronnie wasn't around at the time.

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your votes have both been registered as being thumbs up on karl denton denson.



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your votes have both been registered as being thumbs up on karl denton.

In that case I must recall my vote and declare the election invalid.

But I will indeed give the thumbs up to Karl Denson.

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I think Karl's more jazz style makes Charlie happy and anything that keeps Charlie happy and on board is OK with me. Besides anything that mixes up the Stone's live music at this point is a good thing. Bobby was great but you can't deny he was somewhat predictable.

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Well put.

We all love Bobby and with that said, Karl's doing a fantastic job. I like his take on CYHMK. Nice work.

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I think Karl's more jazz style makes Charlie happy and anything that keeps Charlie happy and on board is OK with me. Besides anything that mixes up the Stone's live music at this point is a good thing. Bobby was great but you can't deny he was somewhat predictable.

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is the vegas era predictable ?