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Say what you want. I don't buy they do this to lower ticket prices for a split second.

the pricing strategy of rock concerts is like airplane trips.

you want to sell each seat. you also want to have fancy seats for the people willing to spend lots, and you want to have cheap seats for those not willing to spend a lot.

airplane flights make the most money when the flights are full. it's a waste to fly an airplane with an empty seat, because you are still paying to fly the whole plane. if not all the seats on an airplane are filled, then by definition you have charged too much for at least some of them.

likewise, if a rock concert for an established band isn't a sellout, they were charging too much for at least some of their tickets and they left money on the table - they still played the concert to the whole arena, empty as well as full seats. might as well have a paying customer in every seat.

the rolling stones are not selling out and therefore are charging too much for at least some of their tickets - they would actually make more money if they sold tickets at a lower price.

with this background, it's obvious how silly it is to say that this private show "allows the stones to charge less for their fans". they are by definition charging their fans more than they should, since they aren't filling all the seats.

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Found this link which has got at least 3 videos of the Belly Up Tavern area.

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BV--where is your bike ride scheduled for later today?

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/KFMB_20150528022101447AB.mp4]Video[/url].

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Such a great show. It was private, yes, but the fans were still fans, and the Stones were still great. Fifteen songs in 90 minutes. Don't mix quantity with quality. They started with Start Me Up, IORR anmd You Got Me Rocking. I Got The Blues. More emotional than at the Fonda Theatre. Great solo Chuck. Keith was amazing on his HTW solo. Mick & Keith was close on several occations. Mick played the crowd easily. It was packed and Happy Birthday Sir, you threw a hell of a party!

Thanks for word of this amazing rare tiny-club show. And to think that you got in --and even discovered the show itself!-- simply because you happened to stick around San Diego because it's such a nice interesting city, rather than traveling back to Los Angeles where some folks thought the Stones had returned, and happened to be out riding your bicycle this afternoon, by the same club where you happened to attend a show the previous night since you happened to be interested in checking out that very venue - now THAT is a story to tell the grandchildren!

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I am not invited. I just happened to bike the Del Mar Mesa trails this morning, three hours or so, great trails, and they just happened to be preparing for a private show right here. I saw the trucks outside, and some crew, pretty easy to see what is going on when you know a lot of faces.

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I went to the...concert at the Belly Up last night, to get a feeling of the the venue.

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Such a great show. It was private, yes, but the fans were still fans, and the Stones were still great. Fifteen songs in 90 minutes. Don't mix quantity with quality. They started with Start Me Up, IORR anmd You Got Me Rocking. I Got The Blues. More emotional than at the Fonda Theatre. Great solo Chuck. Keith was amazing on his HTW solo. Mick & Keith was close on several occations. Mick played the crowd easily. It was packed and Happy Birthday Sir, you threw a hell of a party!

Thanks for word of this amazing rare tiny-club show. And to think that you got in --and even discovered the show itself!-- simply because you happened to stick around San Diego because it's such a nice interesting city, rather than traveling back to Los Angeles where some folks thought the Stones had returned, and happened to be out riding your bicycle this afternoon, by the same club where you happened to attend a show the previous night since you happened to be interested in checking out that very venue - now THAT is a story to tell the grandchildren!

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I am not invited. I just happened to bike the Del Mar Mesa trails this morning, three hours or so, great trails, and they just happened to be preparing for a private show right here. I saw the trucks outside, and some crew, pretty easy to see what is going on when you know a lot of faces.

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I went to the...concert at the Belly Up last night, to get a feeling of the the venue.

BV did not give word. I posted about 7 am NY time yesterday it was at the Belly Up. Many were skeptical. BV obviously knew the facts way before i did as he had scoped out the place the night before. By chance? Just guessed from the open slot? Sure. I don't blame him for not posting the info -- if he did he would never get in again -- but let's be real. Believe that and you will believe that they need to do these shows in order to keep the tickets for their stadium shows at their current low, affordable levels.

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Tne local news clip shows people on the street having great fun and attendees of the show (including Witworth) apparently incapable of smiling. Happy for the little girl though.

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Say what you want. I don't buy they do this to lower ticket prices for a split second.

the pricing strategy of rock concerts is like airplane trips.

you want to sell each seat. you also want to have fancy seats for the people willing to spend lots, and you want to have cheap seats for those not willing to spend a lot.

airplane flights make the most money when the flights are full. it's a waste to fly an airplane with an empty seat, because you are still paying to fly the whole plane. if not all the seats on an airplane are filled, then by definition you have charged too much for at least some of them.

likewise, if a rock concert for an established band isn't a sellout, they were charging too much for at least some of their tickets and they left money on the table - they still played the concert to the whole arena, empty as well as full seats. might as well have a paying customer in every seat.

the rolling stones are not selling out and therefore are charging too much for at least some of their tickets - they would actually make more money if they sold tickets at a lower price.

with this background, it's obvious how silly it is to say that this private show "allows the stones to charge less for their fans". they are by definition charging their fans more than they should, since they aren't filling all the seats.

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Nikkei
Say what you want. I don't buy they do this to lower ticket prices for a split second.

the pricing strategy of rock concerts is like airplane trips.

you want to sell each seat. you also want to have fancy seats for the people willing to spend lots, and you want to have cheap seats for those not willing to spend a lot.

airplane flights make the most money when the flights are full. it's a waste to fly an airplane with an empty seat, because you are still paying to fly the whole plane. if not all the seats on an airplane are filled, then by definition you have charged too much for at least some of them.

likewise, if a rock concert for an established band isn't a sellout, they were charging too much for at least some of their tickets and they left money on the table - they still played the concert to the whole arena, empty as well as full seats. might as well have a paying customer in every seat.

the rolling stones are not selling out and therefore are charging too much for at least some of their tickets - they would actually make more money if they sold tickets at a lower price.

with this background, it's obvious how silly it is to say that this private show "allows the stones to charge less for their fans". they are by definition charging their fans more than they should, since they aren't filling all the seats.

If the Stones were paid less than $3m when in the past have charged $6-7m for private parties - the birthday party was tied into a sponsor's money and Whitworth kicked in a couple of more million to get the party.

Without sponsorship money there would be no tour to cover the Stones guarantee (which sponsor money does) - tickets would be unaffordable.

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"the stones guarantee" is what the stones are charging. that's the whole point. it's not a fixed cost, it's a variable cost that is set by the stones.

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here's the set list.

[instagram.com]

Thanks!

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Nikkei
Say what you want. I don't buy they do this to lower ticket prices for a split second.

the pricing strategy of rock concerts is like airplane trips.

you want to sell each seat. you also want to have fancy seats for the people willing to spend lots, and you want to have cheap seats for those not willing to spend a lot.

airplane flights make the most money when the flights are full. it's a waste to fly an airplane with an empty seat, because you are still paying to fly the whole plane. if not all the seats on an airplane are filled, then by definition you have charged too much for at least some of them.

likewise, if a rock concert for an established band isn't a sellout, they were charging too much for at least some of their tickets and they left money on the table - they still played the concert to the whole arena, empty as well as full seats. might as well have a paying customer in every seat.

the rolling stones are not selling out and therefore are charging too much for at least some of their tickets - they would actually make more money if they sold tickets at a lower price.

with this background, it's obvious how silly it is to say that this private show "allows the stones to charge less for their fans". they are by definition charging their fans more than they should, since they aren't filling all the seats.

If the Stones were paid less than $3m when in the past have charged $6-7m for private parties - the birthday party was tied into a sponsor's money and Whitworth kicked in a couple of more million to get the party.

Without sponsorship money there would be no tour to cover the Stones guarantee (which sponsor money does) - tickets would be unaffordable.

"the stones guarantee" is what the stones are charging. that's the whole point. it's not a fixed cost, it's a variable cost that is set by the stones.

charging more per ticket only makes sense when you are selling out shows. they aren't: charging more per ticket is not an option.

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Say what you want. I don't buy they do this to lower ticket prices for a split second.

the pricing strategy of rock concerts is like airplane trips.

you want to sell each seat. you also want to have fancy seats for the people willing to spend lots, and you want to have cheap seats for those not willing to spend a lot.

airplane flights make the most money when the flights are full. it's a waste to fly an airplane with an empty seat, because you are still paying to fly the whole plane. if not all the seats on an airplane are filled, then by definition you have charged too much for at least some of them.

likewise, if a rock concert for an established band isn't a sellout, they were charging too much for at least some of their tickets and they left money on the table - they still played the concert to the whole arena, empty as well as full seats. might as well have a paying customer in every seat.

the rolling stones are not selling out and therefore are charging too much for at least some of their tickets - they would actually make more money if they sold tickets at a lower price.

with this background, it's obvious how silly it is to say that this private show "allows the stones to charge less for their fans". they are by definition charging their fans more than they should, since they aren't filling all the seats.

If the Stones were paid less than $3m when in the past have charged $6-7m for private parties - the birthday party was tied into a sponsor's money and Whitworth kicked in a couple of more million to get the party.

Without sponsorship money there would be no tour to cover the Stones guarantee (which sponsor money does) - tickets would be unaffordable.

"the stones guarantee" is what the stones are charging. that's the whole point. it's not a fixed cost, it's a variable cost that is set by the stones.

charging more per ticket only makes sense when you are selling out shows. they aren't: charging more per ticket is not an option.

I've worked on a few "big tour" contracts here in Japan, and I think most, if not all, provided the artist with a guarantee - for example $XX Million, and the Promoters the right to determine ticket prices. Many of them have an initial agreement that ticket prices will average $180. I have also seen a requirement to consult with the artist on ticket pricing, but promoter's decision is final. It's a risky business - for every San Diego, there is a Columbus, but if the contract is like others I have seen, the Stones take no risks.

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Hello, 2am SD time. My new found co-workers don't want to leave. Outstanding party!!! Fonda '15 was an intimate special concert. Belly up is a great fiesta.
The people who work this venue see Big name acts all the time. Everyone of them said they had seen nothing like the Stones. They are in awe. (they can drink some tequila too). I will be leaving soon to go to my hotel in LJ. tell me if you want details about my journey and experience.

If not I will gladly fall asleep with my head phones on cranked up to eleven. yes I do know what I am going to listen to when I go to bed tonight (SG umg remaster). Don't You?

Thanks for the encouragement.

THE WORLDS GREATEST ROCK AND ROLL BAND

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Some seems to think that I should be at service at all times. Well I am highly available, also highly communicating, but I do still have a private life. Enjoy the Stones, but please do not expect me to post everything I know, hear, see and think. Don't expect me to post at all times, I am just one of many. Also I am private. Thanks for the understanding, for those who understand.

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Crawdaddy, I admire your attitude. I feel the adrenaline boost, but not necessesarily in a positive way.

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Hello, 2am SD time. My new found co-workers don't want to leave. Outstanding party!!! Fonda '15 was an intimate special concert. Belly up is a great fiesta.
The people who work this venue see Big name acts all the time. Everyone of them said they had seen nothing like the Stones. They are in awe. (they can drink some tequila too). I will be leaving soon to go to my hotel in LJ. tell me if you want details about my journey and experience.

If not I will gladly fall asleep with my head phones on cranked up to eleven. yes I do know what I am going to listen to when I go to bed tonight (SG umg remaster). Don't You?

Thanks for the encouragement.

THE WORLDS GREATEST ROCK AND ROLL BAND

You got in! Way to go! This is a lesson in determination, positive thinking and good karma. I love it!

CE

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Say what you want. I don't buy they do this to lower ticket prices for a split second.

the pricing strategy of rock concerts is like airplane trips.

you want to sell each seat. you also want to have fancy seats for the people willing to spend lots, and you want to have cheap seats for those not willing to spend a lot.

airplane flights make the most money when the flights are full. it's a waste to fly an airplane with an empty seat, because you are still paying to fly the whole plane. if not all the seats on an airplane are filled, then by definition you have charged too much for at least some of them.

likewise, if a rock concert for an established band isn't a sellout, they were charging too much for at least some of their tickets and they left money on the table - they still played the concert to the whole arena, empty as well as full seats. might as well have a paying customer in every seat.

the rolling stones are not selling out and therefore are charging too much for at least some of their tickets - they would actually make more money if they sold tickets at a lower price.

with this background, it's obvious how silly it is to say that this private show "allows the stones to charge less for their fans". they are by definition charging their fans more than they should, since they aren't filling all the seats.

If the Stones were paid less than $3m when in the past have charged $6-7m for private parties - the birthday party was tied into a sponsor's money and Whitworth kicked in a couple of more million to get the party.

Without sponsorship money there would be no tour to cover the Stones guarantee (which sponsor money does) - tickets would be unaffordable.

"the stones guarantee" is what the stones are charging. that's the whole point. it's not a fixed cost, it's a variable cost that is set by the stones.

charging more per ticket only makes sense when you are selling out shows. they aren't: charging more per ticket is not an option.

I've worked on a few "big tour" contracts here in Japan, and I think most, if not all, provided the artist with a guarantee - for example $XX Million, and the Promoters the right to determine ticket prices. Many of them have an initial agreement that ticket prices will average $180. I have also seen a requirement to consult with the artist on ticket pricing, but promoter's decision is final. It's a risky business - for every San Diego, there is a Columbus, but if the contract is like others I have seen, the Stones take no risks.