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Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: Cristiano Radtke ()
Date: May 8, 2015 19:14

I have a very rare CD on my shelf. It's called "Rolling Stones Discography.mp3". Does it qualifies me as a real fan? spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: barbabang ()
Date: May 8, 2015 19:16

If you like Everything's Turning Into Gold you're a fancool smiley

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: Kurt ()
Date: May 8, 2015 19:33

The Rolling Stones are a really good band.

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: LongBeachArena72 ()
Date: May 8, 2015 19:52

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I would like to hear definitions of what one thinks a "Real Stones Fan" is.
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To me, if a so-called fan says that Exile is not the Stones masterpiece, I pretty much dismiss them as a fake fan.

I would rather say if a person says that Exile is not the best Stones record, then they probably are a Real Stones Fan since it's an indicator saying this person has listened to their whole catalogue more than once.

And lots of younger fans just say Exile is best because it's more or less a law or a habit to say that since people like LeonidP keep posting bs like this.
The album really wasn't that well received back in the day (after SF!). We discussed it...that was not the best way to celebrate a new RS album after BB, LIB & SF!!
And when GHS came it brought new discussions between people in favor of EOMS and those in favor of GHS; we were still evaluating EOMS because it was different. GHS was seen as more in line or a logical folow up to SF, LIB & BB and in those days GHS was also seen as a symbol of the change as a band: we knew what they were doing and creating because we were following them since there was nothing else to follow cause they were our culture - and they were following us.
EOMS wasn't celebrated as the best they ever did. It was SF, LIB & BB that was played over and over again and at the end of the party it was GHS.
EOMS really wasn't that special back then...

People who don't know arguments like this can still be called a fan. I don't care. Just don't say something because of peer pressure and develope your own taste and create your own opinion.

This is interesting ... but is not what I remember. EXILE was definitely met with a certain puzzlement. The vocal mix, scruffiness, general downbeat vibe, etc., were all remarked upon. But my recollection is that fairly quickly, perhaps as soon as the end of the 72 STP tour of No Amer, opinions were already being revised pretty dramatically in the record's favor.

GOAT'S HEAD SOUP, on the other hand, was almost universally derided. There were some outliers who gave the band points for a certain 'experimental' spirit, stretching boundaries of r'n'r, etc. But I recall the overall reaction being very negative. Plus, then the glammed out Mick led the band in the televised DANCING/ANGIE/SILVER TRAIN on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert and the floodgates of "the Stones are now officially a) parodying themselves, and b) no longer leading but rather reacting to Bowie, et al" were open.

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: May 8, 2015 20:27

If you're a fan born after 1970 you probably Thinks Exile is their masterpiece but the real fans knows better....>grinning smiley<

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Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: Dreamer ()
Date: May 8, 2015 23:22

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I would like to hear definitions of what one thinks a "Real Stones Fan" is.
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To me, if a so-called fan says that Exile is not the Stones masterpiece, I pretty much dismiss them as a fake fan.

I would rather say if a person says that Exile is not the best Stones record, then they probably are a Real Stones Fan since it's an indicator saying this person has listened to their whole catalogue more than once.

And lots of younger fans just say Exile is best because it's more or less a law or a habit to say that since people like LeonidP keep posting bs like this.
The album really wasn't that well received back in the day (after SF!). We discussed it...that was not the best way to celebrate a new RS album after BB, LIB & SF!!
And when GHS came it brought new discussions between people in favor of EOMS and those in favor of GHS; we were still evaluating EOMS because it was different. GHS was seen as more in line or a logical folow up to SF, LIB & BB and in those days GHS was also seen as a symbol of the change as a band: we knew what they were doing and creating because we were following them since there was nothing else to follow cause they were our culture - and they were following us.
EOMS wasn't celebrated as the best they ever did. It was SF, LIB & BB that was played over and over again and at the end of the party it was GHS.
EOMS really wasn't that special back then...

People who don't know arguments like this can still be called a fan. I don't care. Just don't say something because of peer pressure and develope your own taste and create your own opinion.

This is interesting ... but is not what I remember. EXILE was definitely met with a certain puzzlement. The vocal mix, scruffiness, general downbeat vibe, etc., were all remarked upon. But my recollection is that fairly quickly, perhaps as soon as the end of the 72 STP tour of No Amer, opinions were already being revised pretty dramatically in the record's favor.

GOAT'S HEAD SOUP, on the other hand, was almost universally derided. There were some outliers who gave the band points for a certain 'experimental' spirit, stretching boundaries of r'n'r, etc. But I recall the overall reaction being very negative. Plus, then the glammed out Mick led the band in the televised DANCING/ANGIE/SILVER TRAIN on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert and the floodgates of "the Stones are now officially a) parodying themselves, and b) no longer leading but rather reacting to Bowie, et al" were open.

By who?
And in the case of GHS you're probably not quoting consumers: Angie sailed to No. 1 in the US and became a worldwide hit and the album also shot to No. 1 worldwide (went triple platinum in the US)...

Edit:
By the late 1970s, critics had suddenly come to view EOMS as the RS' greatest record...
On the response to the album, KR said:
"When Exile came out it didn't sell particularly well at the beginning, and it was also pretty much universally panned. But within a few years the people who had written the reviews saying it was a piece of crap were extolling it as the best frigging album in the world."



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Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: Rolling Hansie ()
Date: May 8, 2015 23:23

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I just love the Stones!

That's all it takes

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Keep On Rolling smoking smiley

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: May 8, 2015 23:28

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I would like to hear definitions of what one thinks a "Real Stones Fan" is.
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To me, if a so-called fan says that Exile is not the Stones masterpiece, I pretty much dismiss them as a fake fan.

I would rather say if a person says that Exile is not the best Stones record, then they probably are a Real Stones Fan since it's an indicator saying this person has listened to their whole catalogue more than once.

Wrong, if you've ever followed the Exile threads, most (including myself) did not like Exile at first. So no one that listened only once would ever consider Exile to be a classic

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: Leonioid ()
Date: May 8, 2015 23:31

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I just love the Stones!

That's all it takes
Love is all you need...

wait...


;)

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: Nikkei ()
Date: May 8, 2015 23:32

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I would like to hear definitions of what one thinks a "Real Stones Fan" is.
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To me, if a so-called fan says that Exile is not the Stones masterpiece, I pretty much dismiss them as a fake fan.

I would rather say if a person says that Exile is not the best Stones record, then they probably are a Real Stones Fan since it's an indicator saying this person has listened to their whole catalogue more than once.

Wrong, if you've ever followed the Exile threads, most (including myself) did not like Exile at first. So no one that listened only once would ever consider Exile to be a classic

Except for someone clueless who is pressed to come up with an answer on what his favourite album is.

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: May 8, 2015 23:39

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I would like to hear definitions of what one thinks a "Real Stones Fan" is.
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To me, if a so-called fan says that Exile is not the Stones masterpiece, I pretty much dismiss them as a fake fan.

I would rather say if a person says that Exile is not the best Stones record, then they probably are a Real Stones Fan since it's an indicator saying this person has listened to their whole catalogue more than once.

And lots of younger fans just say Exile is best because it's more or less a law or a habit to say that since people like LeonidP keep posting bs like this.
..

Well, to further clarify my point, which you're missing ... is that to me a 'real Stones fan' is someone that other fans feel they can relate to w/ their experience of the love of their music. A friend I met from where we vacation had a Stones shirt on one day ... we had never discussed music before ... when we can talk about the same experience with Exile (along with many other topics, first concerts etc). My best friend & i in high school both bought the albums together, in almost the same order -- we both had the same experience w/ Exile ... I read it over & over in the threads on the board. It's a common theme.

Again, to me, knowing that others and myself know that special feeling, that hits you in a special way that no other album could - most you either like or not right away. With Exile, you virtually hate it, and then all of a sudden, after 5 or 10 listens, it's like 'oh my god, I can't stop listening to this'.

Still it's a silly topic to begin with, and for someone to take offense at another's obvious bias, and in most cases, joking comments about them not being a true fan is ... silly.

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: May 8, 2015 23:40

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I just love the Stones!

That's all it takes
Love is all you need...

wait...


;)

stop pretending to be me!

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: Leonioid ()
Date: May 8, 2015 23:43

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I just love the Stones!

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wait...


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stop pretending to be me!
what?

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: Naturalust ()
Date: May 8, 2015 23:55

The blind girl who hitchhiked to all the Stones shows and made an effort to contact the judge to keep Keith out of jail after the Toronto bust...that's a Real Fan.

Wonder what happened to her? Obviously her disability give her a unique perspective on Stones music ...the modern spectacle would have no meaning to her and the music itself would have to stand on it's own. Is she still attending shows? It would be great to get an interview with her in 2015 and hear her perspective.

Sounds like a job for Swiss!

peace

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: May 9, 2015 00:07

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I just love the Stones!

That's all it takes
Love is all you need...

wait...


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stop pretending to be me!
what?
Just kidding!

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: Leonioid ()
Date: May 9, 2015 00:09

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I just love the Stones!

That's all it takes
Love is all you need...

wait...


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stop pretending to be me!
what?
Just kidding!
Cheers!! :)

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Date: May 9, 2015 00:16

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Come On
If you're a fan born after 1970 you probably Thinks Exile is their masterpiece but the real fans knows better....>grinning smiley<

That's right! Dirty Work is truly their only masterpiece! winking smiley

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: Bsebastian ()
Date: May 9, 2015 01:54

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I would like to hear definitions of what one thinks a "Real Stones Fan" is.
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To me, if a so-called fan says that Exile is not the Stones masterpiece, I pretty much dismiss them as a fake fan.

I would rather say if a person says that Exile is not the best Stones record, then they probably are a Real Stones Fan since it's an indicator saying this person has listened to their whole catalogue more than once.

And lots of younger fans just say Exile is best because it's more or less a law or a habit to say that since people like LeonidP keep posting bs like this.
The album really wasn't that well received back in the day (after SF!). We discussed it...that was not the best way to celebrate a new RS album after BB, LIB & SF!!
And when GHS came it brought new discussions between people in favor of EOMS and those in favor of GHS; we were still evaluating EOMS because it was different. GHS was seen as more in line or a logical folow up to SF, LIB & BB and in those days GHS was also seen as a symbol of the change as a band: we knew what they were doing and creating because we were following them since there was nothing else to follow cause they were our culture - and they were following us.
EOMS wasn't celebrated as the best they ever did. It was SF, LIB & BB that was played over and over again and at the end of the party it was GHS.
EOMS really wasn't that special back then...

People who don't know arguments like this can still be called a fan. I don't care. Just don't say something because of peer pressure and develope your own taste and create your own opinion.

This is interesting ... but is not what I remember. EXILE was definitely met with a certain puzzlement. The vocal mix, scruffiness, general downbeat vibe, etc., were all remarked upon. But my recollection is that fairly quickly, perhaps as soon as the end of the 72 STP tour of No Amer, opinions were already being revised pretty dramatically in the record's favor.

GOAT'S HEAD SOUP, on the other hand, was almost universally derided. There were some outliers who gave the band points for a certain 'experimental' spirit, stretching boundaries of r'n'r, etc. But I recall the overall reaction being very negative. Plus, then the glammed out Mick led the band in the televised DANCING/ANGIE/SILVER TRAIN on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert and the floodgates of "the Stones are now officially a) parodying themselves, and b) no longer leading but rather reacting to Bowie, et al" were open.

Attitudes were revised regarding Exile just 6 months after it was released. Indeed, in January 1973 Lester Bangs wrote his apology for panning the album originally, calling it perhaps their greatest ever.

To quote from his review:

Exile is dense enough to be compulsive: hard to hear, at first, the precision and fury behind the murk ensure that you’ll come back, hearing more with each playing. What you hear sooner or later is two things: an intuition for nonstop getdown perhaps unmatched since the Rolling Stones Now! and a strange kind of humility and love emerging from a dazed frenzy. If, as they assert, they’re soul survivors, they certainly know what you can lose by surviving. As they and we see friends falling all around us, only the Stones have cut the callousness of ’72 to say with something beyond narcissistic sentiment what words remain for those slipping away.

Exile is about casualties, and partying in the face of them. The party is obvious. The casualties are inevitable.


Lester Bangs was a real stones fan. Anyone who hasn't read all that he has written about them, should.

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: kish_stoned ()
Date: May 9, 2015 02:50

We all are fans for whatever reason liking the band we all cannot be born in 1962 when they started or in 1970 when sticky finger and exile came out ,we all like the stones for diffrent reasons ,so we all are fans and stones keep rocking and rolling.
THE BEST ROCKING BAND IN THE STONES.
STONES ARE WAY OF LIFE,SO PLAY LOUD AND ENJOY THE MUSIC

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: ChelseaGirls ()
Date: May 9, 2015 02:51

Exile has an "aura" that other albums don't have and it's difficult to argue against the most vicious of all doxic Stones-related opinions: "EXILE IS THEIR GREATEST ALBUM". >grinning smiley<

In terms of compositions I would take Let It Bleed best songs (Gimme Shelter and Monkey Man) and any typical BJ-era classic (She's A Rainbow or Lady Jane) over Exile songs, and there is not a single song on Beggars that bores me.

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: ozstonesfan ()
Date: May 9, 2015 02:57

I am a fan and real therefore I am a real stones fan!

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: TheBlockbuster ()
Date: May 9, 2015 03:04

Exile has too many ''weak'' songs to be their best album.

Rip This Joint
Shake Your Hips
Casino Boogie
Sweet Black Angel
Turd On The Run
Ventilator Blues
I Just Want To See His Face

All those tracks are bad song material by Stones 70's standards.
Exile On Main Street without those 7 relatively weak songs would at least been a candidate for the #1 Stones album imo.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-05-09 05:25 by TheBlockbuster.

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: ChelseaGirls ()
Date: May 9, 2015 03:13

Sweet Black Angel = one the best vocal performances by Jagger IMO, and the lyrics are powerful enough to make the song a classic. There is a beautiful piano part (and drumming) on Ventilator Blues. But I agree with the "too many weak songs" part.

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: Naturalust ()
Date: May 9, 2015 03:23

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Exile has to many ''weak'' songs to be their best album.

Rip This Joint
Shake Your Hips
Casino Boogie
Sweet Black Angel
Turd On The Run
Ventilator Blues
I Just Want To See His Face

All those tracks are bad song material by Stones 70's standards.
Exile On Main Street without those 7 relatively weak songs would at least been a candidate for the #1 Stones album imo.

Ventilator Blues weak? You need to listen to it about 30 mores times, it'll grow on ya like a fungus, just like the rest of the record. Those arguably aren't the stand out tracks but the energy, sax and piano on Rip This Joint is a lot of fun. And Mick's vocals on all those tunes are a delight to me. Compared to the output since Steel Wheels they are all classics, imo

Curious what you think the #1 Stones album is?

peace

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: benroyblenkle ()
Date: May 9, 2015 04:08

my sister turned me on to them and the doors in 1968 I was 9 years old---I blew off the Doors and have been "into" the Stones ever since

(she also turned me on to Black oak Arkansas and Grand Funk Railroad)

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: benroyblenkle ()
Date: May 9, 2015 04:18

fave song gimmie shelter
fave album ---- all of em



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Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: John&Trish ()
Date: May 9, 2015 04:18

The Rolling Stones are the best rock'n'roll ever. Loved them from first album to present. Purchased every album, cassett, CD, DVD,...
Great songs, great sounds, great artists.
will always love the STONES!
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Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: May 9, 2015 05:44

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TheBlockbuster
Exile has too many ''weak'' songs to be their best album.

Rip This Joint
Shake Your Hips
Casino Boogie
Sweet Black Angel
Turd On The Run
Ventilator Blues
I Just Want To See His Face

All those tracks are bad song material by Stones 70's standards.
Exile On Main Street without those 7 relatively weak songs would at least been a candidate for the #1 Stones album imo.

Eggzactly why you're not a real Stones fan ...

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: LongBeachArena72 ()
Date: May 9, 2015 07:26

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I would like to hear definitions of what one thinks a "Real Stones Fan" is.
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To me, if a so-called fan says that Exile is not the Stones masterpiece, I pretty much dismiss them as a fake fan.

I would rather say if a person says that Exile is not the best Stones record, then they probably are a Real Stones Fan since it's an indicator saying this person has listened to their whole catalogue more than once.

And lots of younger fans just say Exile is best because it's more or less a law or a habit to say that since people like LeonidP keep posting bs like this.
The album really wasn't that well received back in the day (after SF!). We discussed it...that was not the best way to celebrate a new RS album after BB, LIB & SF!!
And when GHS came it brought new discussions between people in favor of EOMS and those in favor of GHS; we were still evaluating EOMS because it was different. GHS was seen as more in line or a logical folow up to SF, LIB & BB and in those days GHS was also seen as a symbol of the change as a band: we knew what they were doing and creating because we were following them since there was nothing else to follow cause they were our culture - and they were following us.
EOMS wasn't celebrated as the best they ever did. It was SF, LIB & BB that was played over and over again and at the end of the party it was GHS.
EOMS really wasn't that special back then...

People who don't know arguments like this can still be called a fan. I don't care. Just don't say something because of peer pressure and develope your own taste and create your own opinion.

This is interesting ... but is not what I remember. EXILE was definitely met with a certain puzzlement. The vocal mix, scruffiness, general downbeat vibe, etc., were all remarked upon. But my recollection is that fairly quickly, perhaps as soon as the end of the 72 STP tour of No Amer, opinions were already being revised pretty dramatically in the record's favor.

GOAT'S HEAD SOUP, on the other hand, was almost universally derided. There were some outliers who gave the band points for a certain 'experimental' spirit, stretching boundaries of r'n'r, etc. But I recall the overall reaction being very negative. Plus, then the glammed out Mick led the band in the televised DANCING/ANGIE/SILVER TRAIN on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert and the floodgates of "the Stones are now officially a) parodying themselves, and b) no longer leading but rather reacting to Bowie, et al" were open.

By who?
And in the case of GHS you're probably not quoting consumers: Angie sailed to No. 1 in the US and became a worldwide hit and the album also shot to No. 1 worldwide (went triple platinum in the US)...

Edit:
By the late 1970s, critics had suddenly come to view EOMS as the RS' greatest record...
On the response to the album, KR said:
"When Exile came out it didn't sell particularly well at the beginning, and it was also pretty much universally panned. But within a few years the people who had written the reviews saying it was a piece of crap were extolling it as the best frigging album in the world."

As pointed out in a post below by Bsebastian, Lester Bangs had revised his opinion of EXILE within 6 mos of its release. And in the Rolling Stone mag review of GOATS HEAD SOUP of Aug 73 the following appeared:

"At first, Exile on Main Street seemed a terrible disappointment, with its murky, mindless mixes and concentration on the trivial. Over time, it emerged as a masterful study in poetic vulgarity."

I may have been a bit aggressive about saying the tide on EXILE had turned by the time the STP tour was over ... but it certainly didn't take more than 6-12 mos for the critical consensus to begin to change.

As for the commercial appeal of GHS: sure, it sold a ton of records. As we know, though, from this band, and from many others, contemporary levels of commerical success are not always the best gauge of quality and artistic merit.

I've always pretty much agreed with Robert Christgau on GHS:

"Except for the spavined "Dancing With Mr. D," and the oxymoronic "Can You Hear the Music," these are good songs. But the execution is slovenly. I don't mean sloppy, which can be exciting--I mean arrogant and enervated all at once. Mick's phrasing is always indolent, but usually it's calculated down to the last minibeat as well; here the words sometimes catch him yawning. Without trying to be "tight" the band usually grooves into a reckless, sweaty coherence; here they hope the licks will stand on their own. Only on "@#$%&," the most outrageous Chuck Berry throwaway of the band's career, does this record really take off."

Although, in all fairness, I have no idea what "spavined" means ...

Re: Real Stones Fan ???
Posted by: Naturalust ()
Date: May 9, 2015 07:35

Although, in all fairness, I have no idea what "spavined" means ...

I know it is a type of arthritis old horses get, seems a strange adjective for a song. Keith's fingers maybe....confused smiley

peace

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