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syrel
BV, can you tell us anything about a potential date on the 27th? There were 3 cities under consideration - are they now all off the table or are there still negotiations ongoing? I realise nothing can be confirmed, but it would be helpful to know if there at least MIGHT still be a show on that date - because spending $1000 on flights is hard to justify for one show...
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latvianinexile
Never ever will the Stones play the whole Sticky Fingers album in a stadium show.
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Never ever will the Stones play the whole Sticky Fingers album in a stadium show.
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Never ever will the Stones play the whole Sticky Fingers album in a stadium show.
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bv
They have said quite clearly this tour is 15 stadium shows in 15 cities. The extra days in the schedule are probably in there for resting and breaks, they need those breaks.
So the rumor on the San Diego thread that a 2nd San Diego show could be added is false? That is good to know as I would hate to book a return flight on the 25th and then find out a 2nd show is added for the 26th or 27th. You are 100% sure no show between May 24 and May 30???
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Justin
He's afraid that his audience will walk out? Well that's what you get for conditioning your audience for more than 25 years with greatest hits tour after greatest hits tour. When you don't play anything that's not a top 10 hit--this is what happens. Mick is right but he shouldn't blame his audience for this "problem" when he's at the root of it.
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He's afraid that his audience will walk out? Well that's what you get for conditioning your audience for more than 25 years with greatest hits tour after greatest hits tour. When you don't play anything that's not a top 10 hit--this is what happens. Mick is right but he shouldn't blame his audience for this "problem" when he's at the root of it.
If Brian Wilson, with all his issues, could pull off a relatively flawless Pet Sounds at the Beacon last year, Mick and the Stones should have no problem doing the same with Sticky Fingers. But he does have a point, the stadium spectacle setting might not be the best one for recreating some of the more subtle moments of SF.
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Stoneage
Recieved a mail from Rolling Stones and Polydor Records yesterday. It says "New Music & Tour News from The Rolling Stones". Now that's not really true, is it? At least not the first part..
It's "new" music to many, surely? Not EVERYONE is into bootlegs. My brother in law, a keen Stones fan, has none. He's pretty excited having now heard/seen the acoustic Wild Horses video to be getting some "new" Stones music.
WTF? Bootleg recordings? A bootleg recording is a live concert recording that is sold without the bands permission, a roio recording is a live recording NOT sold without bands permission and what they are selling are live soundboard recordings which have been remastered and are being sold by the band.
get your terminology straight
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EddieByword
Lou Reed had a pretty decent solution in 1992 - he played Magic and Loss in it's entirety and then for the second half of the show played the hits - albeit they were rearranged a bit, they were still recognisable.............great shows they were...
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frankotero
For me this story is getting far too silly. Some time ago I realized they are not going to give me what I want, not entirely anyway. No Mick Taylor and no complete Sticky Fingers (or any other) album. Maybe Mick really is concerned about the legacy and maybe he's even right about not playing rarities and/or pleasing the fan base. Anyhow, it will be nice to see them back on the road and we get some nice things on the SF re-issue. In the end can't please everybody, that's for sure.
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Justin
He's afraid that his audience will walk out? Well that's what you get for conditioning your audience for more than 25 years with greatest hits tour after greatest hits tour. When you don't play anything that's not a top 10 hit--this is what happens. Mick is right but he shouldn't blame his audience for this "problem" when he's at the root of it.
If Brian Wilson, with all his issues, could pull off a relatively flawless Pet Sounds at the Beacon last year, Mick and the Stones should have no problem doing the same with Sticky Fingers. But he does have a point, the stadium spectacle setting might not be the best one for recreating some of the more subtle moments of SF.
Were you at those shows? I caught the performance when they were out west. Great evening. Yes Brian was able to pull it off but with the cooperation and appreciation of his adoring audience. His fan base has been treated with several tours where Brian has played full albums in the past: Pet Sounds (early 2000's), Smile (2004), That Lucky Old Sun (2008) so there is some kind of past relationship there of full albums in concert with that group.
The biggest difference between the two artists (besides their music, obviously) is that Brian is genuinely proud of his work. He and his band will play a variety of songs from different eras and they know that the audience will appreciate it--and we do. Mick, on the other hand, has zero trust in his audience and will instead play it very safe as to not to offend his audience that doesn't know anything that's not off Hot Rocks. The respect that Brian has for his own compositions--I don't particularly see in Mick with his own works.
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mnewman505
a few questions...
will they do the choirs for YCAGWYW?
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Justin
He's afraid that his audience will walk out? Well that's what you get for conditioning your audience for more than 25 years with greatest hits tour after greatest hits tour. When you don't play anything that's not a top 10 hit--this is what happens. Mick is right but he shouldn't blame his audience for this "problem" when he's at the root of it.
I don't care about the sets, I like all the songs, especially the real old ones. I just want them to play what they feel they can perform best. I'd rather have a tight TD than a screwed up LJ.Quote
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Justin
He's afraid that his audience will walk out? Well that's what you get for conditioning your audience for more than 25 years with greatest hits tour after greatest hits tour. When you don't play anything that's not a top 10 hit--this is what happens. Mick is right but he shouldn't blame his audience for this "problem" when he's at the root of it.
The Stones are not the only ones who have this concern. All legacy bands have the same challenge in that 95%+ of their audience are casual fans who want to hear the hits.
I doubt fans would walk out but I can assure you a lot of the audience would walk out disappointed at the end of the show if they did not get to hear the old war horse hits.
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bleedingman
Yes, Justin, I was at that show. I agree, the audience was thrilled when they unexpectedly announced Pet Sounds would be played in its entirety. But the band was also stellar and supported Brian superbly. So it was a combo of audience support and enthusiastic, talented musicians. There is no question in my mind that if the Stones wanted to, they could pull off something similar, but they would have to seriously re-evaluate their comfort zone. Maybe the Sticky Fingers shows that bv has mentioned will give us a taste.
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oldschool
The Stones are not the only ones who have this concern. All legacy bands have the same challenge in that 95%+ of their audience are casual fans who want to hear the hits.
I doubt fans would walk out but I can assure you a lot of the audience would walk out disappointed at the end of the show if they did not get to hear the old war horse hits.
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DoomandGloomI don't care about the sets, I like all the songs, especially the real old ones. I just want them to play what they feel they can perform best. I'd rather have a tight TD than a screwed up LJ.Quote
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Justin
He's afraid that his audience will walk out? Well that's what you get for conditioning your audience for more than 25 years with greatest hits tour after greatest hits tour. When you don't play anything that's not a top 10 hit--this is what happens. Mick is right but he shouldn't blame his audience for this "problem" when he's at the root of it.
The Stones are not the only ones who have this concern. All legacy bands have the same challenge in that 95%+ of their audience are casual fans who want to hear the hits.
I doubt fans would walk out but I can assure you a lot of the audience would walk out disappointed at the end of the show if they did not get to hear the old war horse hits.
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mnewman505
a few questions...
do we assume the lineup is as follows:
Jagger, Richards, Watts, Wood, Daryl Jones, Chuck Leavell, Lisa Fischer, Karl Denson, Bernard Fowler, Tim Ries, and Matt Clifford?
will they have opening acts?
will they do the choirs for YCAGWYW?
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DoomandGloomI don't care about the sets, I like all the songs, especially the real old ones. I just want them to play what they feel they can perform best. I'd rather have a tight TD than a screwed up LJ.Quote
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Justin
He's afraid that his audience will walk out? Well that's what you get for conditioning your audience for more than 25 years with greatest hits tour after greatest hits tour. When you don't play anything that's not a top 10 hit--this is what happens. Mick is right but he shouldn't blame his audience for this "problem" when he's at the root of it.
The Stones are not the only ones who have this concern. All legacy bands have the same challenge in that 95%+ of their audience are casual fans who want to hear the hits.
I doubt fans would walk out but I can assure you a lot of the audience would walk out disappointed at the end of the show if they did not get to hear the old war horse hits.
Almost all songs on Brussels Affair bootleg are warhorses now, but that bootleg will never ever tire! Same goes for YaYa's, Leeds and L&G, to name a few.
It's not the 'warhorses', it's the way the music is played. In the Taylor era we got so many versions of for instance Brown Sugar. Compare the 1970, 1971, 1972 and 1973 Sugars with each other and you'll understand what I mean. The same goes for Midnight Rambler. Street Fighting Man, JJF and others. Remember the way MR was played in Shanghai, that was something totally new and great, MR being a warhorse though.
To compare with classical music: one can attend the same masterpieces by the great masters endlessly. But one thing is essential: they have to be played greatly. And that's what should bother the Stones: to play greatly.
The anniversary had a certain vibe of necessity much of it was miraculous. They pulled off something impossible, once Keith and Wood had done their thing there was MT. For every show there was the anticipation that tonight they'd let Taylor loose and that very tension added to the energy. For 2015 I would never count them out of somehow raising their bar but to do that they have to reinvent their approach and play as an ensemble.Quote
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Justin
He's afraid that his audience will walk out? Well that's what you get for conditioning your audience for more than 25 years with greatest hits tour after greatest hits tour. When you don't play anything that's not a top 10 hit--this is what happens. Mick is right but he shouldn't blame his audience for this "problem" when he's at the root of it.
The Stones are not the only ones who have this concern. All legacy bands have the same challenge in that 95%+ of their audience are casual fans who want to hear the hits.
I doubt fans would walk out but I can assure you a lot of the audience would walk out disappointed at the end of the show if they did not get to hear the old war horse hits.
Almost all songs on Brussels Affair bootleg are warhorses now, but that bootleg will never ever tire! Same goes for YaYa's, Leeds and L&G, to name a few.
It's not the 'warhorses', it's the way the music is played. In the Taylor era we got so many versions of for instance Brown Sugar. Compare the 1970, 1971, 1972 and 1973 Sugars with each other and you'll understand what I mean. The same goes for Midnight Rambler. Street Fighting Man, JJF and others. Remember the way MR was played in Shanghai, that was something totally new and great, MR being a warhorse though.
To compare with classical music: one can attend the same masterpieces by the great masters endlessly. But one thing is essential: they have to be played greatly. And that's what should bother the Stones: to play greatly.
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bleedingman
Yes, Justin, I was at that show. I agree, the audience was thrilled when they unexpectedly announced Pet Sounds would be played in its entirety. But the band was also stellar and supported Brian superbly. So it was a combo of audience support and enthusiastic, talented musicians. There is no question in my mind that if the Stones wanted to, they could pull off something similar, but they would have to seriously re-evaluate their comfort zone. Maybe the Sticky Fingers shows that bv has mentioned will give us a taste.
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oldschool
The Stones are not the only ones who have this concern. All legacy bands have the same challenge in that 95%+ of their audience are casual fans who want to hear the hits.
I doubt fans would walk out but I can assure you a lot of the audience would walk out disappointed at the end of the show if they did not get to hear the old war horse hits.
Not sure about disappointed. We're talking about a little less than an hour of the show for the entire album and that includes 4 songs that most casual Stones fan would recognize: "Brown Sugar", "Can't You hear Me Knocking", "Wild Horses" and "Bitch." The final hour of the show can be wall-to-wall warhorses which can send off the crowd on that warhorse high everyone apparently craves.
Obviously the likelihood of this happening is very slim but that's only because Mick (and other legacy artists) have put themselves in this situation of going the easy route and dumbing down their audiences over the decades. The Who had the balls to play Quadrophenia a couple years ago in its entirety with the greatest hits tagged at the end. Audiences knew what they were getting into and still left pleased because they were able to hear "Won't Get Fooled Again" and whatever other big songs. It helped that the tour was clearly labeled as the Quadrophhenia tour so people knew what to expect.
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kleermaker
It's not the 'warhorses', it's the way the music is played. In the Taylor era we got so many versions of for instance Brown Sugar. Compare the 1970, 1971, 1972 and 1973 Sugars with each other and you'll understand what I mean. The same goes for Midnight Rambler. Street Fighting Man, JJF and others. Remember the way MR was played in Shanghai, that was something totally new and great, MR being a warhorse though.