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DoomandGloom
What's the song where they used Brian Jones' drum recordings from Tibet or somewhere else exotic? I worked a little on that song, merging the analog tapes with some of the prerecorded Brian stuff which they had transferred to a digital format. Everyone was very into the whole thing.
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mtaylor
Go out and buy it.
Favourites:
Already over me (anybody else than Stones playing - would have been a #1)
Low down great song, great grove
Saint of me - no need to mention.
Already over me could have been played live instead of Angie....
Low down sounds great live - with more practice....
They have, and so much great music they could have played more than this on a concert..... just a matter of playing and people getting used to the songs. Stones have a wonderful set of songs.... 50 years.... (the last 20 years not too active )Quote
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mtaylor
Go out and buy it.
Favourites:
Already over me (anybody else than Stones playing - would have been a #1)
Low down great song, great grove
Saint of me - no need to mention.
Already over me could have been played live instead of Angie....
Low down sounds great live - with more practice....
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bv
By the way, if you spend your time on a Stones forum, where fans of the Stones spend their time, and you wonder if you should invest something like 10 dollars or Euro on an original Stones album, and this band do only release like one album every five or ten years, and the cost of that album i.e. 10 dollars or pounds is the same as the cost of two or three beers, then I think you are fooling around here, really.
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bv
By the way, if you spend your time on a Stones forum, where fans of the Stones spend their time, and you wonder if you should invest something like 10 dollars or Euro on an original Stones album, and this band do only release like one album every five or ten years, and the cost of that album i.e. 10 dollars or pounds is the same as the cost of two or three beers, then I think you are fooling around here, really.
Agree, I ran my old copy through a ''disc repair'' machine which scratched it to unplayable, so I bought a new copy for 3 Euros at a record fair. But I still admire the fact that stones2000 is about to buy this album instead of just grabbing the nearest torrent.
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alhavu1
Umm, it's just not. It's OK and overproduced like Steel Wheels PLUS they blew it as they had better songs they decide not to include
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bv
By the way, if you spend your time on a Stones forum, where fans of the Stones spend their time, and you wonder if you should invest something like 10 dollars or Euro on an original Stones album, and this band do only release like one album every five or ten years, and the cost of that album i.e. 10 dollars or pounds is the same as the cost of two or three beers, then I think you are fooling around here, really.
Oh no, honestly, I'm a huge hardcore fan! My question was more if I should use the money to buy a different stones album. I'm either going to get Voodoo Lounge or Babylon. But I noticed that a lot of people gave Babylon some pretty harsh reviews, so I thought maybe if Voodoo is a considerably better album, maybe I'd get that one first. It wasn't a question of if I should get Babylon, but if I should get Voodoo first. I know I didn't mention Voodoo in this thread, it's because I had more questions about Babylon).
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kish_stoned
go for it and get your rocks off one of the best one, you will love it all stones cds are good some better than others and depends on your taste too,my fave tacks are out of control,flip the switch,saint of me,might as well get juiced,too tight and how can i stop,overall all tracks are good,have fun and keep rocking to stones.
STONES ARE WAY OF LIFE.
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Naturalust
But I still admire the fact that stones2000 is about to buy this album instead of just grabbing the nearest torrent
Shhh. Don't give him any ideas, he's already concerned about a $10 investment. But I also respect those that support musicians by actually buying their product.
peace
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RomanCandle
No one sees the difference between buying B2B and buying Exile or Let It Bleed?
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RomanCandle
No one sees the difference between buying B2B and buying Exile or Let It Bleed?
Most probably see the difference and most have already worn through several copies of both of those.
I think there are 3 era's of Stones music: pre- Beggars Banquet, Beggar's Banquet to Emotional Rescue and everything after that. Each era picked up a sort of different type of fan, but once a fan of either two earlier eras you hang for the long run. Amazing to imagine but there are probably fans who started with GRRR.
peace
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stones2000
I'm either going to get Voodoo Lounge or Babylon.
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Doxa
Oh I miss those days when there still were Stones albums I didn't have heard yet...
It doesn't matter in which order you buy them.. you finally will get all of them... and you need to have have all of them...´´
If the decision is between VOODOO LOUNGE and BRIDGES TO BABYLON, it really doesn't matter. I prefer the latter, but the difference in quality - or in anything - isn't really that big. Sure latter-day Stones sound in both cases.
- Doxa
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stones2000
Hi. I'm considering buying Bridges to Babylon, but I was hoping I could get some advice on the album from other users. What do you think of the album? Thanks
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Doxa
Oh I miss those days when there still were Stones albums I didn't have heard yet...
It doesn't matter in which order you buy them.. you finally will get all of them... and you need to have have all of them...´´
If the decision is between VOODOO LOUNGE and BRIDGES TO BABYLON, it really doesn't matter. I prefer the latter, but the difference in quality - or in anything - isn't really that big. Sure latter-day Stones sound in both cases.
- Doxa
But why does he want to choose between Voodoo Lounge and B2B? I want to know, because that would be like choosing between plague and cholera.
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kammpberg
my review of Bridges To Babylon:
Bridges To Babylon – 1997 (US #3; UK#6)
Flip The Switch • Anybody Seen My Baby? • Low Down • Already Over Me • Gunface • You Don’t Have To Mean It • Out Of Control • Saint Of Me • Might As Well Get Juiced • Always Suffering • Too Tight • Thief In The Night • How Can I Stop
Stones Fan – ****
Casual Listener – ***
Voodoo Lounge was a cohesive Rolling Stones album created with unity and single purpose. Either The Stones didn’t want to repeat the formula, or perhaps were unable to, but this time out they would go in the opposite direction. Two separate camps largely created Bridges To Babylon: Mick and Keith with various sub-producers and sidemen. Overseeing this was Executive Producers The Glimmer Twins with Don Was. In a way, similar to Dirty Work in that all these separate elements would try to come together into a uniformed sounding album. This time, the dividing anger was thankfully gone, and the album is much more successful as a whole.
Starting off with Flip The Switch, which Jagger boasted was the fastest track they’d ever done. With Charlie driving the song and nice interweaving guitar throughout, the song is a fine upbeat opening track. Unfortunately, it’s similarity in style to so many other Stones tracks and lack of originality leaves a lack of excitement. Even the ending where the band just sort of falls apart, suits it. It was featured on the corresponding live tour, but also felt largely forgotten after it was played.
The Stones hadn’t released a great commercial opening single since Start Me Up, so it was thrilling to hear Anybody Seen My Baby?. I anticipated huge commercial success for this single. Perhaps because of the lack of US singles success for Voodoo Lounge, this single was virtually not even released in the US, although it was a mild hit in the UK peaking at #22. Led by one of the warmest most inviting bass licks ever by The Stones, I still can’t believe this is not a smash hit classic single. It’s damn near perfect with its wonderful smooth groove, great vocals and tasty music. Even the rap interlude mixed down low as an added effect works well. Perhaps its lack of classic status is because it doesn’t work well live, but its cloudlike lightness is tremendous on record.
Low Down, with its classic sounding Stones guitar riffing sounds great after that smoothness. Jagger’s vocals are powerful and it’s nice to hear what sounds like The Stones playing together rocking tightly in their traditional way. Not mind blowing but a nice rock track that made a welcome occasional live appearance.
One can’t help but notice that oftentimes, the highlights of the most recent albums have been the ballads. No exception here as Already Over Me is another beautiful ballad, reminiscent of Out Of Tears’ style. A tasty guitar solo is a highlight of the track. Jagger’s vocals are also spot on, as he believably opens his heart about “what a fool I’ve been”. Perhaps too obvious to release as the second single, Already Over Me is a lost classic that is ripe for rediscovery.
Gunface has a similar feel to Low Down, but is even better with a funkier feel. Jagger’s rhythm guitar is gritty and gives the song a lot of meat. The breakdown where Jagger sings unaccompanied over the drums is a great bridge that leads back into the power funk rock. Gunface is a powerful track and sorely overlooked.
Keith’s lead vocal spots have consistently been going further away from riff rock. His affinity for reggae (Too Rude and Harder They Come were previous thrills) is exceptionally displayed on You Don’t Have To Mean It, a brilliant buoyant combo of reggae and calypso. This is upbeat, happy, joyous music that made occasional great live appearances on the tour.
Bridges To Babylon was another record-breaking tour with a great live show (the bridge was unforgettable as it raised above the crowd). But it was great to see The Stones out there playing the new material. Perhaps the highlight of the whole concert, and certainly the album is Out Of Control. Similar in nature to Midnight Rambler, this is a moody, extended song with various elements that push and pull to extraordinary heights. Like Midnight Rambler, the song truly comes alive in concert with the studio recording seemingly held back and reserved. Live, this song with Jagger’s amazing harp work simmers until it boils over. On record it fades out way too early. As the 3rd UK single, it peaked at #51, but regardless this is a definitive classic track better served live.
The almost gospel like rock of Saint Of Me was also another live highlight, that feels stilted on the album. The Hammond background, and “oh yeah” chorus along with Charlie’s powerful steady groove give an upbeat churchlike feel. The bridge with Jagger’s nicely strummed acoustic adds nice texture along with Woody’s tasteful lead solo. But, it falls short overall, just not feeling like The Stones, and is a surprising choice for the 2nd single, although it peaked at #26 UK.
Speaking of not sounding like The Stones, up next is Might As Well Get Juiced. Mick really is trying some new sounds here, singing in an electronic textured voice, along with some wild harp playing. Charlie’s drums are powerful and upfront, mixed together in a soup cooked up by The Dust Brothers who swirl in various synthesized effects to awesome effect. It was a great musical shock to see The Stones blast this out to a stunned crowd at Madison Square Garden. It’s a great musical experiment that feels strange within this album.
Always Suffering is the 2nd ballad on the album and although fine overall, this one is a bit generic without the dynamics of Already Over Me. Jagger also over sings for the first time on the album and it detracts from the songs power. More Jagger solo effort than Stones track, Always Suffering also sounds more demo than full fledge great ballad and is a missed opportunity.
Too Tight is the only straight-ahead Stones little rocker on the album and sounds strangely lost within the album’s framework. Ironically though, this is hidden little gem with wonderfully buried “60’s ish background vocals, tight little riffing and a great straight ahead vocal from Jagger. This could’ve fit on many Stones albums (almost Connection like on Between The Buttons) and would’ve certainly been a highlight on Emotional Rescue. For some reason, here it seems almost throwaway.
For the first time on any Stones album, Keith’s profile is so big now, and the CD’s expanded length enables him to have three lead vocal tracks here. Thief In The Night has a lazy but addictive groove onto which Keith lays down some phenomenal acoustic guitar treats throughout. The background vocals add considerable depth and power as the track grows in its effect. With a groove of this quality, you don’t miss Keith moving further away from his solo traditional riff rocking. This song also was a live treat and showed Keith willing to try something new live as well. The wonderful groove segues right in to Keith the jazz balladeer/crooner singing How Can I Stop. The jazziest song he’s ever done, imagine Keith singing in a smoky jazz club with delicate piano, tasteful guitar touches, soulful background vocals over Charlie simply playing ride cymbal and snare. The song ends on a Wayne Shorter sax solo that builds in intensity and jazzily fades out in what is the strangest ending of any Rolling Stones album. It’s a good, yet bewildering different type of song and unfortunately continues the occasional tradition of closing a Stones album with Keith crooning to diminishing results.
The Stones didn’t want to repeat Voodoo Lounge so they went the opposite way, working separately with lots of outside help and then trying to mesh it together in a uniform piece of work. They believed in the album as nine of its 13 tracks were played live on the tour, with Out Of Control and Saint Of Me taking on new and expanded life becoming genuine highlights of the show. Song by song, this is a very strong album, but as a unified statement, it doesn’t fully come together. You can hear, feel and sense that there’s too many cooks trying to prepare this meal and it detracts. Bridges To Babylon is unfortunately overall less than the sum of its individual parts.
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bv
Considering buying it? How can you live without it? Buy it, play it loud, and see you on tour this summer!
I mean, this is what I wrote about the album in 1997, and I do still mean it, every word:
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TestifyThank you for sharing this video, I had never seen. I did not know they played Low down live.Quote
mtaylor