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Look up any live 1975 performance - he skips it. Paris 1970 he didn't sing it either.
That is what I meant, which appears to be a fact, but it turns out he cut it out before then even.
Here it is in '98 Bridges (3:54).
I think this may be the tour that one of the Kennedy's respectfully requested he not play it while they were in attendance.
That's my bet, but we'll likely never know.
There's so many over decades where/when he didn't do that verse. Listen to his delivery - it's like someone slipped him some lightning.
Yeah, one says something here, and in nine years it will be discussed in WASHINGTON POST...
So keep that in mind, people, when you write something here!><
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-07-12 16:37 by Doxa.
Holy crap it sounds worse!
There is an interview with Jagger from the late 1980's by Dutch author Boudewijn Buch where he asks why he leaves out the Kennedy line and adds the Paris verse for HTW. I forgot the answer though...
Mathijs
PRIMITIVE COOL.
They talk about Honky Tonk Women but not SFTD. I watched it twice, never heard anything.
Mick has been quoted somewhere, and it came up this summer with the stupid crap I was ranting about, saying, "“Did I leave that out? That song is so long, I always cut a verse. I guess it must've been that one.”
Then it was somewhere else, like the Nieuwe Revu interview, or his 'Brieven aan Mick Jagger' (Letters to Mick Jagger) book.
I distinctly remember it as Buch made such a huge point about Jagger singing different lyrics live and over the years, addressing it to Jagger's character and whatever. Buch completely missed the fact that al the vocals were overdubbed.
Mathijs
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Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: July 11, 2024 23:30
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Whatever the article says, that entire verse has been left out since 1975.
that is incorrect
Wrong in which direction? I looked up Love You Live and LA Friday … he doesn’t sing it then either.
Look up any live 1975 performance - he skips it. Paris 1970 he didn't sing it either.
IORR content in Washington Post concerning SFTD........
Posted by:
1cdog
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Date: July 11, 2024 19:45
IORR content in Washington Post concerning SFTD........IORR mentioned in the article......
[www.washingtonpost.com]
[www.washingtonpost.com]
Re: IORR content in Washington Post concerning SFTD........
Posted by:
CindyC
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Date: July 11, 2024 20:43
Way to go MisterDDDD!
Wasn't looking too good, but I was feeling real well.
Wasn't looking too good, but I was feeling real well.
Re: IORR content in Washington Post concerning SFTD........
Posted by:
Koen
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Date: July 11, 2024 22:49
Subscription only - could someone post the article here?
Re: IORR content in Washington Post concerning SFTD........
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: July 11, 2024 22:51
Its over in the Sympathy track talk ....
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
mjmjr
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Date: July 12, 2024 03:07
sorry i misunderstood.....i thought you meant it hadn't been sang since 1975Quote
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mjmjrQuote
GasLightStreet
Whatever the article says, that entire verse has been left out since 1975.
that is incorrect
Wrong in which direction? I looked up Love You Live and LA Friday … he doesn’t sing it then either.
Look up any live 1975 performance - he skips it. Paris 1970 he didn't sing it either.
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: July 12, 2024 06:38
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mjmjrsorry i misunderstood.....i thought you meant it hadn't been sang since 1975Quote
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MelBelliQuote
mjmjrQuote
GasLightStreet
Whatever the article says, that entire verse has been left out since 1975.
that is incorrect
Wrong in which direction? I looked up Love You Live and LA Friday … he doesn’t sing it then either.
Look up any live 1975 performance - he skips it. Paris 1970 he didn't sing it either.
That is what I meant, which appears to be a fact, but it turns out he cut it out before then even.
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
MisterDDDD
()
Date: July 12, 2024 07:05
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GasLightStreetQuote
mjmjr
sorry i misunderstood.....i thought you meant it hadn't been sang since 1975
That is what I meant, which appears to be a fact, but it turns out he cut it out before then even.
Here it is in '98 Bridges (3:54).
I think this may be the tour that one of the Kennedy's respectfully requested he not play it while they were in attendance.
That's my bet, but we'll likely never know.
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: July 12, 2024 07:39
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MisterDDDDQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
mjmjr
sorry i misunderstood.....i thought you meant it hadn't been sang since 1975
That is what I meant, which appears to be a fact, but it turns out he cut it out before then even.
Here it is in '98 Bridges (3:54).
I think this may be the tour that one of the Kennedy's respectfully requested he not play it while they were in attendance.
That's my bet, but we'll likely never know.
There's so many over decades where/when he didn't do that verse. Listen to his delivery - it's like someone slipped him some lightning.
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
mjmjr
()
Date: July 12, 2024 15:46
He samg the verse in imst 1999 as well
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: July 12, 2024 16:36
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MisterDDDD
Lol.
Apparently I'm quoted in the article.. and promptly refuted
“Pretty well accepted as truth that Jagger ‘changed his art’ at a request of … The Kennedy’s(John Jr.) I applaud his decision to honor the request,” wrote someone identifying themselves as MisterDDDD. But that explanation seems unlikely, given that author C. David Heymann, in his late-2000s biography of John Jr. and Caroline, quoted a buddy saying the president’s son “loved to shock” his friends by belting out the “Kennedys” lyric during his own impromptu renditions of “Sympathy.”
I had heard John Jr., but the story circulated enough, with no real mention of which Kennedy requested (Caroline?) that I still believe there was likely a request to not play it. at a show they were all attending, and Jagger has left it out since.
Yeah, one says something here, and in nine years it will be discussed in WASHINGTON POST...
So keep that in mind, people, when you write something here!>
<- Doxa
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Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
Lucab12
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Date: July 13, 2024 04:05
I saw the article and realized I hadn't even noticed they stopped singing the verse.
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: July 13, 2024 06:02
Okay in that case drop ya dreams of becoming a private detective .....
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
1962
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Date: July 13, 2024 19:04
I really like Hyde Park 1969
Who Killed The Kennedys
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: July 27, 2024 03:21
I will not say why in regard to keeping with the code here but...
Lately, there's been a little bit of 'Oh the Stones have gone woke and dropped the bit about who killed the Kennedys in... because of...' and... it's complete bullshit.
It's amazing, really, how something so stupid can be turned into gaslighting people because a headline says so.... and then a horrifically "written" article says so and no one does any research because they have a narrative.
As recently discussed, pre-event that has brought this incredible click-bait fake news upon the song into existence, that lyric phrase has been left out extremely often since 1970.
Since "they" - the various whoevers spouting such crap - freely ride the fake train, it's up to us to correct them.
For some reason it's "news". Hilarious that The Rolling Stones are still... but it's completely ignorant of history - hence, click bait.
It's infuriating: these "writers" simply assume things. They're DUMB! Ridiculous quotes, and then it wagons and next thing it starts to avalanche.
As is often said to people on Twitter etc, uhhh, Google?
So please, for BV's sake, keep it strictly on subject.
I can't remember the thread this came up in recently, but if it needs to be joined up, BV, maybe keep it topical in regard to whichever subject title addresses it best, which perhaps this one does because it says it outright.
Lately, there's been a little bit of 'Oh the Stones have gone woke and dropped the bit about who killed the Kennedys in... because of...' and... it's complete bullshit.
It's amazing, really, how something so stupid can be turned into gaslighting people because a headline says so.... and then a horrifically "written" article says so and no one does any research because they have a narrative.
As recently discussed, pre-event that has brought this incredible click-bait fake news upon the song into existence, that lyric phrase has been left out extremely often since 1970.
Since "they" - the various whoevers spouting such crap - freely ride the fake train, it's up to us to correct them.
For some reason it's "news". Hilarious that The Rolling Stones are still... but it's completely ignorant of history - hence, click bait.
It's infuriating: these "writers" simply assume things. They're DUMB! Ridiculous quotes, and then it wagons and next thing it starts to avalanche.
As is often said to people on Twitter etc, uhhh, Google?
So please, for BV's sake, keep it strictly on subject.
I can't remember the thread this came up in recently, but if it needs to be joined up, BV, maybe keep it topical in regard to whichever subject title addresses it best, which perhaps this one does because it says it outright.
Re: Who Killed The Kennedys
Posted by:
colonial
()
Date: July 27, 2024 07:31
(Glad I'm) Not A Kennedy, 1985 by Shona Laing
Went to No.2 New Zealand charts , Australia No 9, USA No. 14
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Went to No.2 New Zealand charts , Australia No 9, USA No. 14
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Re: Who Killed The Kennedys
Posted by:
Taylor1
()
Date: July 28, 2024 01:38
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GasLightStreet
I will not say why in regard to keeping with the code here but...
Lately, there's been a little bit of 'Oh the Stones have gone woke and dropped the bit about who killed the Kennedys in... because of...' and... it's complete bullshit.
It's amazing, really, how something so stupid can be turned into gaslighting people because a headline says so.... and then a horrifically "written" article says so and no one does any research because they have a narrative.
As recently discussed, pre-event that has brought this incredible click-bait fake news upon the song into existence, that lyric phrase has been left out extremely often since 1970. Is it because Robert Kennedy Jr is running for president ?
Since "they" - the various whoevers spouting such crap - freely ride the fake train, it's up to us to correct them.
For some reason it's "news". Hilarious that The Rolling Stones are still... but it's completely ignorant of history - hence, click bait.
It's infuriating: these "writers" simply assume things. They're DUMB! Ridiculous quotes, and then it wagons and next thing it starts to avalanche.
As is often said to people on Twitter etc, uhhh, Google?
So please, for BV's sake, keep it strictly on subject.
I can't remember the thread this came up in recently, but if it needs to be joined up, BV, maybe keep it topical in regard to whichever subject title addresses it best, which perhaps this one does because it says it outright.
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
()
Date: August 4, 2024 15:13
Probably the only complete footage of SFTD in 1969.
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: August 5, 2024 04:33
It makes sense why Mick opted to leave the Kennedy's verse out over decades - it's the least contributing verse to the song and, live, it's a longer song with the guitar soloing:
I watched with glee while your kings and queens
Fought for 10 decades for the gods they made
I shouted out Who killed the Kennedys?
When after all it was you and me
Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I lay traps for troubadours
Who get killed before they reach Bombay
As talked about earlier, the hype going around that the Kennedy family asked Mick to not sing that line is complete bunk - even if they actually did say such bunk to him, they were 100% out of touch about it. Mick even said... Oh I leave it out? Well the song is so long.
Why did that fake fact become a thing to talk about 4 or 5 shows before the end of the 2024 tour?
Clickbait.
I think I vomited about it previously.
The Rolling Stones will never escape bad press - or fake/fictitious news - the band that said "We piss anywhere" has been taken for unaccounted for rides in the press, 99% of them fake.
I suppose someone here could say that they're still... "relevant".
I watched with glee while your kings and queens
Fought for 10 decades for the gods they made
I shouted out Who killed the Kennedys?
When after all it was you and me
Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I lay traps for troubadours
Who get killed before they reach Bombay
As talked about earlier, the hype going around that the Kennedy family asked Mick to not sing that line is complete bunk - even if they actually did say such bunk to him, they were 100% out of touch about it. Mick even said... Oh I leave it out? Well the song is so long.
Why did that fake fact become a thing to talk about 4 or 5 shows before the end of the 2024 tour?
Clickbait.
I think I vomited about it previously.
The Rolling Stones will never escape bad press - or fake/fictitious news - the band that said "We piss anywhere" has been taken for unaccounted for rides in the press, 99% of them fake.
I suppose someone here could say that they're still... "relevant".
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: August 7, 2024 06:33
The talk about the Stones using recordings for playback during SFTD for Charlie is absurd - there were/have been programs in place with drum and percussion loops, Charlie essentially played along with them, not someone under the stage playing the drums. If he stopped the song didn't stop.
It's been going on for decades. He even got up and walked off during the BANG tour.
Part of why it's so lame:
Karaoke Stones. Casio Stones.
Surprising that Keith's gone along with it for 30 plus years. Although not a surprise, it's not like he's been capable of carrying the song like before.
It's been going on for decades. He even got up and walked off during the BANG tour.
Part of why it's so lame:
Karaoke Stones. Casio Stones.
Surprising that Keith's gone along with it for 30 plus years. Although not a surprise, it's not like he's been capable of carrying the song like before.
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: August 7, 2024 10:25
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-08-07 10:26 by DandelionPowderman.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-08-07 10:26 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: August 29, 2024 04:54
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Zotz
Rolling Stones - 'Sympathy for the Devil' - (Altamont '69) - Enhanced Audio
video: [youtu.be]
Holy crap it sounds worse!
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
Mathijs
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Date: August 29, 2024 11:21
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GasLightStreet
Mick has left the entire stanza out since 1975. It was edited out for GYYYO.
There's never been one peep from Mick about why. That I've ever read.
There is an interview with Jagger from the late 1980's by Dutch author Boudewijn Buch where he asks why he leaves out the Kennedy line and adds the Paris verse for HTW. I forgot the answer though...
Mathijs
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: August 29, 2024 21:00
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MathijsQuote
GasLightStreet
Mick has left the entire stanza out since 1975. It was edited out for GYYYO.
There's never been one peep from Mick about why. That I've ever read.
There is an interview with Jagger from the late 1980's by Dutch author Boudewijn Buch where he asks why he leaves out the Kennedy line and adds the Paris verse for HTW. I forgot the answer though...
Mathijs
PRIMITIVE COOL.
They talk about Honky Tonk Women but not SFTD. I watched it twice, never heard anything.
Mick has been quoted somewhere, and it came up this summer with the stupid crap I was ranting about, saying, "“Did I leave that out? That song is so long, I always cut a verse. I guess it must've been that one.”
Re: Track Talk: Sympathy For The Devil
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: August 30, 2024 12:40
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GasLightStreetQuote
MathijsQuote
GasLightStreet
Mick has left the entire stanza out since 1975. It was edited out for GYYYO.
There's never been one peep from Mick about why. That I've ever read.
There is an interview with Jagger from the late 1980's by Dutch author Boudewijn Buch where he asks why he leaves out the Kennedy line and adds the Paris verse for HTW. I forgot the answer though...
Mathijs
PRIMITIVE COOL.
They talk about Honky Tonk Women but not SFTD. I watched it twice, never heard anything.
Mick has been quoted somewhere, and it came up this summer with the stupid crap I was ranting about, saying, "“Did I leave that out? That song is so long, I always cut a verse. I guess it must've been that one.”
Then it was somewhere else, like the Nieuwe Revu interview, or his 'Brieven aan Mick Jagger' (Letters to Mick Jagger) book.
I distinctly remember it as Buch made such a huge point about Jagger singing different lyrics live and over the years, addressing it to Jagger's character and whatever. Buch completely missed the fact that al the vocals were overdubbed.
Mathijs
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