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TheflyingDutchman

Comparing Mick Taylor to Michael Jordan in this entire business scenario that you sketch is a bit opportune, in my opinion. Certainly when it comes to the guitar story during this Iridium gig. But being an admirer of Mick Taylor's playing myself I do understand your sentiments.

Dutchman, not sure I completely understand your use of "opportune" here, maybe you can try to say it another way in English? But whatever the "hinted-at" untold elements of the Teye Guitars story are, I sure hope Mick Taylor got the better of the interaction!

I've observed many attempted commercial exploitations of MT at various shows, all made possible due to how accessible he made himself to approaching fans. Fans of other famous guitarists could only dream of having the chance for those kind of interactions.

The craziness and craven financial opportunism of attempted grifters that surround anyone related to The Rolling Stones has to be seen to be believed.

I've negotiated agreements for celebrities to do various promotional things, always through layers and layers of agents, managers and lawyers, and the celebs commonly don't do everything they are supposed to do in the moment of performance, saying afterwards "they were never told" about an element of the deal, or that "pointing to the necklace costs 10k more than just wearing it."

It's a jungle out there, and there are also many innocent misunderstandings.

And here's that video I mentioned earlier: [gimmemt.com]



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You can always look it up in the Dictionary; maybe you find a better word.
Impressive reply nonetheless.



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Comparing Mick Taylor to Michael Jordan in this entire business scenario that you sketch is a bit opportune, in my opinion. Certainly when it comes to the guitar story during this Iridium gig. But being an admirer of Mick Taylor's playing myself I do understand your sentiments.

Dutchman, not sure I completely understand your use of "opportune" here, maybe you can try to say it another way in English? But whatever the "hinted-at" untold elements of the Teye Guitars story are, I sure hope Mick Taylor got the better of the interaction!

I've observed many attempted commercial exploitations of MT at various shows, all made possible due to how accessible he made himself to approaching fans. Fans of other famous guitarists could only dream of having the chance for those kind of interactions.

The craziness and craven financial opportunism of attempted grifters that surround anyone related to The Rolling Stones has to be seen to be believed.

I've negotiated agreements for celebrities to do various promotional things, always through layers and layers of agents, managers and lawyers, and the celebs commonly don't do everything they are supposed to do in the moment of performance, saying afterwards "they were never told" about an element of the deal, or that "pointing to the necklace costs 10k more than just wearing it."

It's a jungle out there, and there are also many innocent misunderstandings.

And here's that video I mentioned earlier: [gimmemt.com]

I am not sure at the time Taylor was seen as a celebrity that would really boost sales. I think Teye in all honesty just really wanted to present his biggest hero a guitar he made. But in all his narcissism, he didn't recognize and understand that the guitar he made was as far removed from Taylor's requirements and preferences as possibly could.

I really wonder though why the documentary makers made it such a pivotal moment of the documentary, and then distorting the story about Taylor not giving them any attention the second night. He clearly tries out the guitar...

I wonder what Taylor says though, the sentence with 'kiss'.

Mathijs

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But why the trip to NYC and meeting in a hallway? Doesn't Taylor live closer to the luthier?

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But why the trip to NYC and meeting in a hallway? Doesn't Taylor live closer to the luthier?

Because Mick was in the picture there I assume. Maybe they hoped he would use that guitar with the Stones or during his own tours. Just watch the entire documentary.

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I wonder what Taylor says though, the sentence with 'kiss'.

Mathijs

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I think he said "Come on, it's enough. Don't take that piss".

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You can always look it up in the Dictionary; maybe you find a better word.
Impressive reply nonetheless.

If you don't wish to be understood, that's fine, I'm just telling you your statement makes no sense in English. It might make sense to you in your own language.

All instrument manufacturers know that express or implied endorsements from musicians are bought and paid for with cash and/or equipment.

I have no idea if an advance "deal" had been struck in this matter, but if not, I think it's obvious a guitar maker does not properly walk into a Union controlled NYC music venue on Broadway (let alone one closely associated with Les Paul, of all people) with a camera crew and ambush the performer with their purported generosity.

For Pete's sake, MT played the riffs of both Start Me Up and Brown Sugar for him onstage and on camera with that Ronald McDonald-looking guitar!

Any fan's dream.

If Teye felt snubbed later, there are plenty of reasons why a snub might have been well-justified.

At least MT didn't "show him the blade" like Keith would have done (or more likely, had someone else do).

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You can always look it up in the Dictionary; maybe you find a better word.
Impressive reply nonetheless.

If you don't wish to be understood, that's fine, I'm just telling you your statement makes no sense in English. It might make sense to you in your own language.

All instrument manufacturers know that express or implied endorsements from musicians are bought and paid for with cash and/or equipment.

I have no idea if an advance "deal" had been struck in this matter, but if not, I think it's obvious a guitar maker does not properly walk into a Union controlled NYC music venue on Broadway (let alone one closely associated with Les Paul, of all people) with a camera crew and ambush the performer with their purported generosity.

For Pete's sake, MT played the riffs of both Start Me Up and Brown Sugar for him onstage and on camera with that Ronald McDonald-looking guitar!

Any fan's dream.

If Teye felt snubbed later, there are plenty of reasons why a snub might have been well-justified.

At least MT didn't "show him the blade" like Keith would have done (or more likely, had someone else do).

Fool someone else and learn some Dutch, if you cannot already. I am not stupid. No pun intended.

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Fool someone else and learn some Dutch, if you cannot already. I am not stupid. No pun intended.

I have confessed privately to a handful of important posters here that I am no expert in languages other than my own despite more than a dozen years studying two.

That said, idiomatic concepts/phrases do not always translate well between languages even if the words seem to be the right ones.

I have no idea what your comments above mean, but I'll take them as being made in good humor.

And yes, let's have a beer.

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I have no idea what your comments above mean.

I'm sorry to read that.

drink the free beer then escape out the back door ...



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drink the free beer then escape out the back door ...

....up to the Alcaraz-Djoker final with a beer. A dream come true.

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I have no idea if an advance "deal" had been struck in this matter, but if not, I think it's obvious a guitar maker does not properly walk into a Union controlled NYC music venue on Broadway (let alone one closely associated with Les Paul, of all people) with a camera crew and ambush the performer with their purported generosity.

For Pete's sake, MT played the riffs of both Start Me Up and Brown Sugar for him onstage and on camera with that Ronald McDonald-looking guitar!

Any fan's dream.

If Teye felt snubbed later, there are plenty of reasons why a snub might have been well-justified.

I fully agree with you -it's really a matter of bad judgement from Teye and the people around him. They think they are more important than the artist, and it really is a matter of disrespect.

Mathijs

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But why the trip to NYC and meeting in a hallway? Doesn't Taylor live closer to the luthier?

Teye lived in Nashville for 30 odd years, and was living there at the time. The Tey Guitars workshop was located there as well. He now lives in Spain.

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Fool someone else and learn some Dutch, if you cannot already. I am not stupid. No pun intended.

As MT clearly says "Come on, it's enough, you gotta take the piss" (which has a totally different meaning) one could also say "learn some English!".

N

A second clip with that guitar (Stop Breaking Down Blues):

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As MT clearly says "Come on, it's enough, you gotta take the piss" (which has a totally different meaning) one could also say "learn some English!".

Can of worms indeed.

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I have no idea if an advance "deal" had been struck in this matter, but if not, I think it's obvious a guitar maker does not properly walk into a Union controlled NYC music venue on Broadway (let alone one closely associated with Les Paul, of all people) with a camera crew and ambush the performer with their purported generosity.

For Pete's sake, MT played the riffs of both Start Me Up and Brown Sugar for him onstage and on camera with that Ronald McDonald-looking guitar!

Any fan's dream.

If Teye felt snubbed later, there are plenty of reasons why a snub might have been well-justified.

As far as I understand it-watching the footage- Teye and his cameraman asked permission to visit Mick Taylor backstage. Are you sure that Taylor played for Teye and his cameraman? As far as I know Teye and his companion already had left the Iridium flying home when Taylor picked up that guitar and played some Stones intros etc on it the next day.



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I have no idea if an advance "deal" had been struck in this matter, but if not, I think it's obvious a guitar maker does not properly walk into a Union controlled NYC music venue on Broadway (let alone one closely associated with Les Paul, of all people) with a camera crew and ambush the performer with their purported generosity.

For Pete's sake, MT played the riffs of both Start Me Up and Brown Sugar for him onstage and on camera with that Ronald McDonald-looking guitar!

Any fan's dream.

If Teye felt snubbed later, there are plenty of reasons why a snub might have been well-justified.

As far as I understand it-watching the footage- Teye and his cameraman asked permission to visit Mick Taylor backstage. Are you sure that Taylor played for Teye and his cameraman? As far as I know Teye and his companion already had left the Iridium flying home when Taylor picked up that guitar and played some Stones intros etc on it the next day.

Apparently Taylor playing the guitar was on the last day after the show. Taylor appears to give the guitar back, he does not seem to want to keep it.

Mathijs

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I have no idea if an advance "deal" had been struck in this matter, but if not, I think it's obvious a guitar maker does not properly walk into a Union controlled NYC music venue on Broadway (let alone one closely associated with Les Paul, of all people) with a camera crew and ambush the performer with their purported generosity.

For Pete's sake, MT played the riffs of both Start Me Up and Brown Sugar for him onstage and on camera with that Ronald McDonald-looking guitar!

Any fan's dream.

If Teye felt snubbed later, there are plenty of reasons why a snub might have been well-justified.

As far as I understand it-watching the footage- Teye and his cameraman asked permission to visit Mick Taylor backstage. Are you sure that Taylor played for Teye and his cameraman? As far as I know Teye and his companion already had left the Iridium flying home when Taylor picked up that guitar and played some Stones intros etc on it the next day.

Apparently Taylor playing the guitar was on the last day after the show. Taylor appears to give the guitar back, he does not seem to want to keep it.

Mathijs

It's always up to the director to highlight scenes that seem to be the most appealing.

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I have no idea if an advance "deal" had been struck in this matter, but if not, I think it's obvious a guitar maker does not properly walk into a Union controlled NYC music venue on Broadway (let alone one closely associated with Les Paul, of all people) with a camera crew and ambush the performer with their purported generosity.

For Pete's sake, MT played the riffs of both Start Me Up and Brown Sugar for him onstage and on camera with that Ronald McDonald-looking guitar!

Any fan's dream.

If Teye felt snubbed later, there are plenty of reasons why a snub might have been well-justified.

As far as I understand it-watching the footage- Teye and his cameraman asked permission to visit Mick Taylor backstage. Are you sure that Taylor played for Teye and his cameraman? As far as I know Teye and his companion already had left the Iridium flying home when Taylor picked up that guitar and played some Stones intros etc on it the next day.

Apparently Taylor playing the guitar was on the last day after the show. Taylor appears to give the guitar back, he does not seem to want to keep it.

Mathijs

It's always up to the director to highlight scenes that seem to be the most appealing.

But what appears now in the documentary is not the truth, and shows Taylor in a negative way.

What I gather from all the info: Teye bashed a party, gave a very ugly guitar to someone who didn't ask for it and didn't want it, still he played a couple of minutes on it to end it with a comment about the guitar and/or Teye and his crew that Teye didn't expect. Teye expected a very graceful Taylor but he got a Taylor that felt they took the piss out of him instead.

Why on earth did they still include Taylor in the documentary? What's the point? The documentary is about Teye, not about Taylor.

Mathijs

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Why on earth did they still include Taylor in the documentary? What's the point? The documentary is about Teye, not about Taylor.

Mathijs

Once again, it's up to the director to highlight what's in the documentary.

According to Teye, Taylor accepted the guitar, but unfortunately Taylor wasn't able to pay his roadmanager/drummer Jeff Allen during their gigs at the Iridium.
According to someone else, he (Taylor) sold the guitar to Jeff Allen, allegedly ca 5K (?)

I don't know about the relationship between Jeff and Taylor nowadays , but I can imagine why Taylor's GF at the time was pissed towards Jeff. Taylor was the musician that fans came for, not Allen. I don't take sides in this case!

Teye wrote to me that he has no hard feelings towards Mick Taylor because of all this, till date. That said, I think Teye is a great Luthier and good guitarist himself.

End of the story, now ca 14 years ago.



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On this guitar builder. He introduces Taylor as someone who is no longer relevant. He literally says this in the video (hij heeft afgedaan). And then he goes on to tell him he is still the greatest.

Anything to sell a few more guitars, to be able to say that he is the a guitar builder to the Stones.

And after the meeting then they are all offended (for the Dutch speakers they act like a "beledigde leverworst"). They presented it as if Taylor had some king of obligation to accept this guitar because they came all the way from the Netherlands and Texas. It is pathetic.

Anyway, great playing by Taylor.

One of the great ironies of the music business is that, without the desire of peripheral characters to try and make a quick buck, much of the music we fans enjoy would likely never have come into existence (or be made available).

Whatever Teye's motivations, he got MT to play the riffs to Start Me Up and Brown Sugar and some Stop Breaking Down onstage in front of a camera (even if only before a handful of remaining audience).

For that we are grateful.

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Anything to sell a few more guitars, to be able to say that he is the a guitar builder to the Stones.

This has irritated me for years -the public statement that Teye built guitar for the Stones. No he didn't. He offered free guitars to the Stones but they were all refused.

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Once again, it's up to the director to highlight what's in the documentary.

Yes I understand. But it's really an empty statement. The director decided to distort the truth. And by doing this he makes Taylor appear in a negative way which is really unfair. All this for Teye's narcistic ego.

Mathijs

He's always been a blues breaker. One of the best musical performances of Jeff Allen and Mick Taylor together I ever heard:

Can anyone see what Amp Taylor is using. The Fender Twin is for the other guitarist-Snowy White.

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Can anyone see what Amp Taylor is using. The Fender Twin is for the other guitarist-Snowy White.

Looks like an Ampeg V-4.

I agree -he plays fantastic and he sounds fantastic.

Mathijs



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Can anyone see what Amp Taylor is using. The Fender Twin is for the other guitarist-Snowy White.

Looks like an Ampeg V-4.

I agree -he plays fantastic and he sounds fantastic.

Mathijs

Might be correct. One of Taylor's favourite amps at the time.



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