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bobo
Strange how such a «fantastic» guitar player more or less never really achived anything after leaving Stones. Well…he did that Dylan tour in 84 and sounded awful….and some other less known stuff for the average rock music fan.
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Strange how such a «fantastic» guitar player more or less never really achived anything after leaving Stones. Well…he did that Dylan tour in 84 and sounded awful….and some other less known stuff for the average rock music fan.
It is not strange at all! He needs adequate counterparts because he is notcapable of writing great material, and if the musicians in his band do not match him he is not such a wonderful guitar player as he was in the Stones. No offence here, but IMHO he really needs the challenge which he found in the Stones.
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Strange how such a «fantastic» guitar player more or less never really achived anything after leaving Stones. Well…he did that Dylan tour in 84 and sounded awful….and some other less known stuff for the average rock music fan.
It is not strange at all! He needs adequate counterparts because he is notcapable of writing great material, and if the musicians in his band do not match him he is not such a wonderful guitar player as he was in the Stones. No offence here, but IMHO he really needs the challenge which he found in the Stones.
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bobo
Strange how such a «fantastic» guitar player more or less never really achived anything after leaving Stones. Well…he did that Dylan tour in 84 and sounded awful….and some other less known stuff for the average rock music fan.
It is not strange at all! He needs adequate counterparts because he is notcapable of writing great material, and if the musicians in his band do not match him he is not such a wonderful guitar player as he was in the Stones. No offence here, but IMHO he really needs the challenge which he found in the Stones.
I'd have to agree with that.
MT is a supremely talented guitar player with a fantastic feel for melody ...but his musicianship needs to be guided and focused by his fellow musicians to get the best from it.
MT's studio work with the Stones is sublime ...as is much of his live work with the band.
...but all too often on stage he'd get carried away and would overplay to the detriment of the performance as a whole.
MT's endless noodling is a hundred times better than anything I could ever play on guitar, but that's not the point !
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That may be true. However, Jagger already had Leather Jacket, and they chose not to proceed with it.
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PhillyFAN
I saw The Faces decades ago in Philly. I believe RW was great in The Faces. He was his own man and not left to try to play what MT created. He seemed more creative. He was writing songs and creating his own solos.I often wonder how far they would have gone if Rod Stewart didn't go solo and treated The Faces like his touring band and session musicians.Howeve RW joining.the Stones made the Stones a different band.They actually became silly IMO humble. Blow up dolls. Huge inflatable penises popping out of the stage.Gimmics. Even MJ vocals during the 1975 tour seems to be barking out the lyrics. However they remained a top band. MJ was once said "people thought MT version of the Rolling Stones was the best version". He was asked what did he think. He said I can't answer that because it would trash the current version of the band. Honestly I am happy they are still touring and pray.they continue.I realize these are now older people and not 1973. God bless them.
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I remember the Pay Per View from New Jersey in 2012. Ron was smokin'. He was showing the others how it was done. He is also the heart and soul guitar wise behind Blue and Lonesome. Ron is great, but not great like Mick Taylor. I think he is what kept them going on stage in recent years, until this tour, when his health seems a bit ragged.
Ron has never been a gunslinger. Not in the upper echelon. Doesn't really have a distinctive style you'd recognize straight off. But he's what the Stones needed. Keith's playing spent a lot of time in the wilderness this past decade. It's finally coming around and Ron's fades a bit. I guess that's how you weave.
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Strange how such a «fantastic» guitar player more or less never really achived anything after leaving Stones. Well…he did that Dylan tour in 84 and sounded awful….and some other less known stuff for the average rock music fan.
It is not strange at all! He needs adequate counterparts because he is notcapable of writing great material, and if the musicians in his band do not match him he is not such a wonderful guitar player as he was in the Stones. No offence here, but IMHO he really needs the challenge which he found in the Stones.
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bobo
Strange how such a «fantastic» guitar player more or less never really achived anything after leaving Stones. Well…he did that Dylan tour in 84 and sounded awful….and some other less known stuff for the average rock music fan.
It is not strange at all! He needs adequate counterparts because he is notcapable of writing great material, and if the musicians in his band do not match him he is not such a wonderful guitar player as he was in the Stones. No offence here, but IMHO he really needs the challenge which he found in the Stones.
Just as anything in life, it's 10% talent and 90% hard work. And Taylor has always failed in doing the hard work. He is always described as incredibly lazy, and then the drugs took quite a good part of him.
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I'm not so sure Taylor himself has any contempt for the Stones. The last reunion was in 2014, btw. I'm not so sure any of the Stones have anything bad to say about Taylor, either.
So, no, it's not obvious
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wavelength
I think his conflict is that he grew to resent the hand that fed him and that he that he is under no illusion that without his tenure in the band his career would not amount to much. He must find that hard to live with.
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TravelinMan
In fact, Keith Richards and Ron Wood are much more lazy, they just have the Stones machine to put them where they need to be and when.
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I think his conflict is that he grew to resent the hand that fed him and that he that he is under no illusion that without his tenure in the band his career would not amount to much. He must find that hard to live with.
His conflicts with Jagger and Richards are all caused by his 'manager'. That's really all there is to say about it.
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In fact, Keith Richards and Ron Wood are much more lazy, they just have the Stones machine to put them where they need to be and when.
No, they ARE the Stones machine. It's them spending months and months in the studio to write and record. And look at Wood -the moment the Stones aren't touring he immediately organizes some shows with friends, does radio shows and whatever more.
They did Berlin 2 weeks ago, and yesterday Wood did a radio show that he doesn't have to do for any reason other than to keep working.
Taylor never ever had anything of that stamina.
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TravelinMan
Let's just say it's a hell of a lot easier to be an addict in the Stones than outside of the Stones.
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DandelionPowderman
Wrong. He kept doing solo albums and shows, in addition to his day job.
Why are we discussing Ronnie in the Taylor-thread, btw
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TravelinMan
Let's just say it's a hell of a lot easier to be an addict in the Stones than outside of the Stones.
Well, the hard was being NOT a junkie in the Stones
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DandelionPowderman
Wrong. He kept doing solo albums and shows, in addition to his day job.
Why are we discussing Ronnie in the Taylor-thread, btw
I have a close friend that was on the road with the Stones in the 90's. I will not go into details, but he was not "doing his day job" very well.
My point was to draw the comparison between Taylor's aggressive output within the comfort of the Stones camp compared to how tough it was outside of it.
It's well known how long Stones albums took to finish. I find it surprising that knowledgeable fans would say the Stones have a hard work ethic. Charlie and Bill pointed it out all the time. It would take them over a year to do what some bands did in less than a month.
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Wrong. He kept doing solo albums and shows, in addition to his day job.
Why are we discussing Ronnie in the Taylor-thread, btw
I have a close friend that was on the road with the Stones in the 90's. I will not go into details, but he was not "doing his day job" very well.
My point was to draw the comparison between Taylor's aggressive output within the comfort of the Stones camp compared to how tough it was outside of it.
It's well known how long Stones albums took to finish. I find it surprising that knowledgeable fans would say the Stones have a hard work ethic. Charlie and Bill pointed it out all the time. It would take them over a year to do what some bands did in less than a month.
Point taken. However, they kept themselves busy outside of the Stones bubble, too. They didn't have to do that, even though it may have been easier with their Stones connections.
In the 80s, during 'WWIII', Ronnie played the clubs, cruise ships and whatever with rather unknown bands, to put it mildly.
My point is that they might perhaps be more active types of musicians than Taylor, zonked out or not.
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wavelength
there was a great mick taylor site a few years ago. micktaylor.net. there was a lot of great info and interviews on that site. does anyone know what happened to it? has any one archibed it by any chance? thx
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wavelength
there was a great mick taylor site a few years ago. micktaylor.net. there was a lot of great info and interviews on that site. does anyone know what happened to it? has any one archibed it by any chance? thx
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wavelength
there was a great mick taylor site a few years ago. micktaylor.net. there was a lot of great info and interviews on that site. does anyone know what happened to it? has any one archibed it by any chance? thx
Is it possible to use the Wayback Machine or Internet Archive or something?