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When his guitar broke he stood there while the great Pierre froze like a shoe salesman at the sock department in Macy's. .
lol. Must have missed that one. Which show was that?
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DoomandGloomThe whole thing was like the Twilight Zone. Taylor at O2 jumping around, it was shocking. He chose to stand in between the other guitars but his amps remained on he other side of the stage. If Taylor is anything he's an amp guy, in his Stones days he stood right in front of a cranked SVT. MT however did well for himself and blew the roof off at Staples, Shanghai and was stunningly creative at Glaston. There were quite a few others, his playing earned him more cameos in 2015. Yes he jumped a 1/4 inch off the ground and sported a Captain Kangaroo chalked stained jacket but he was on his own up there. 1 man amid a band with a monster entourage, constantly tested to prove his mettle, "he's the bloke that quit." When his guitar broke he stood there while the great Pierre froze like a shoe salesman at the sock department in Macy's. Oh yeah, now his buddy Ron comes out saying it's easier just with Keith, Wood covers all the bases, takes MT on a club tour, maybe he hoped he'd grab those critical CHYMK notes and a few scales he's yet to understand after 40 years of getting by but in the end he's no Taylorite.Quote
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Kleer, I mostly agree with you but why do you say his behaviour on stage was embarrassing?
Didn't you see his kneeling for Jagger, his jumping between Richards and Wood, his playing while the song was already over? Accepting being truncated during his Sway solo in LA, being bossed around by Jagger? Sometimes also behaving as a kid that is allowed to stay with the adults late at night?
The relationship with the Stones wasn't equal at all and that was visible by MT's submissive behaviour. Where was the Taylor that just played his guitar, just standing and playing like in this clip, cool as ice, letting his fingers speak volumes, a man being proud of himself?
Yes, of course I saw all that. Some of that, I think, was down to him genuinely enjoying being on stage with them (his theatrics on Rambler and whatnot). Other parts were probably scripted, and still others he just didn't have a choice in. What did you expect him to do on Sway, just carry on playing as Jagger tried to end the song? Had he tried, Pierre would just have turned his amplifier off. It must have been extremely frustrating for him, but once he signed up for it his options were always going to be limited.
You're absolutely right that it was nowhere near an equal relationship. That's why Bill Wyman told them to get stuffed after the O2. But then Wyman didn't need the Stones in the way Taylor does. Even if it wasn't a financial issue for him, he's demonstrated very little ability to actually organise his own career over the past few decades, and has usually depended on other people. The moment I saw Taylor playing acoustic on Satisfaction, I took it as read that, for whatever reason, he felt he had little choice but to stick around the Stones camp and take whatever crap they were throwing at him.
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I never believed that buddy thing between MT and clever Wood being sincere from Ronnie's side. It's been said that MT introduced him to Jagger and Richards and then see what happens: IORR the song with Ronnie and Taylor out.
I can't prove it of course, but my intuition says there's some connection between those two facts. Anyway, I don't want to see him play with Wood anymore, standing in his shadow moreover, for heaven's sake!
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I never believed that buddy thing between MT and clever Wood being sincere from Ronnie's side. It's been said that MT introduced him to Jagger and Richards and then see what happens: IORR the song with Ronnie and Taylor out.
I can't prove it of course, but my intuition says there's some connection between those two facts. Anyway, I don't want to see him play with Wood anymore, standing in his shadow moreover, for heaven's sake!
So suspicious? I don't doubt they are old friends, perhaps not actually close friends these days. And since when do friends ever get in the way of business? But I must admit I too am a bit suspicious after Ronnie's comments about it being less complicated playing Taylor-made parts without Taylor and pretty much have no doubt how he likely voted in the no-Taylor this tour decision.
Perhaps what Keith meant about Taylor being a shadow man was that his shadow has been shading Ronnie for 40 years!
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I never believed that buddy thing between MT and clever Wood being sincere from Ronnie's side. It's been said that MT introduced him to Jagger and Richards and then see what happens: IORR the song with Ronnie and Taylor out.
I can't prove it of course, but my intuition says there's some connection between those two facts. Anyway, I don't want to see him play with Wood anymore, standing in his shadow moreover, for heaven's sake!
So suspicious? I don't doubt they are old friends, perhaps not actually close friends these days. And since when do friends ever get in the way of business? But I must admit I too am a bit suspicious after Ronnie's comments about it being less complicated playing Taylor-made parts without Taylor and pretty much have no doubt how he likely voted in the no-Taylor this tour decision.
Perhaps what Keith meant about Taylor being a shadow man was that his shadow has been shading Ronnie for 40 years!
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That assumes a vote took place and it wasn't an arbitrary decision on Jagger's part.
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>>I can't prove it of course, but my intuition says there's some connection between those two facts.<<
surely Mick and Keith knew Ronnie, Taylor didn't need to introduce him..?
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I never believed that buddy thing between MT and clever Wood being sincere from Ronnie's side. It's been said that MT introduced him to Jagger and Richards and then see what happens: IORR the song with Ronnie and Taylor out.
I can't prove it of course, but my intuition says there's some connection between those two facts. Anyway, I don't want to see him play with Wood anymore, standing in his shadow moreover, for heaven's sake!
So suspicious? I don't doubt they are old friends, perhaps not actually close friends these days. And since when do friends ever get in the way of business? But I must admit I too am a bit suspicious after Ronnie's comments about it being less complicated playing Taylor-made parts without Taylor and pretty much have no doubt how he likely voted in the no-Taylor this tour decision.
Perhaps what Keith meant about Taylor being a shadow man was that his shadow has been shading Ronnie for 40 years!
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>>I can't prove it of course, but my intuition says there's some connection between those two facts.<<
surely Mick and Keith knew Ronnie, Taylor didn't need to introduce him..?
Ronnie knew Taylor first.
And kleerie, they kept one of Ronnie's guitar tracks on IORR.
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>>I can't prove it of course, but my intuition says there's some connection between those two facts.<<
surely Mick and Keith knew Ronnie, Taylor didn't need to introduce him..?
Ronnie knew Taylor first.
And kleerie, they kept one of Ronnie's guitar tracks on IORR.
sure, but it's not like Ronnie needed Taylor's introduction to mick and keith or otherwise he would've never met them. (For example, they all knew george harrison and jeff beck) especially given the number of guitarists they tried out and the wide net they cast.
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Still I try to remain open minded but it seems every song I open from Dallas has giant clams in the guitar solos. BTMMR for example is going along swimmingly then Ron's solo comes and he face plants it. I am not wrong to expect more, MT in the wings kept them sharper I suppose. Of course I hope RW reads this, shape up mate.
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Still I try to remain open minded but it seems every song I open from Dallas has giant clams in the guitar solos. BTMMR for example is going along swimmingly then Ron's solo comes and he face plants it. I am not wrong to expect more, MT in the wings kept them sharper I suppose.
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Still I try to remain open minded but it seems every song I open from Dallas has giant clams in the guitar solos. BTMMR for example is going along swimmingly then Ron's solo comes and he face plants it. I am not wrong to expect more, MT in the wings kept them sharper I suppose. Of course I hope RW reads this, shape up mate.
i'm gaining a new appreciation for your name, DoomandGloom :-)
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Still I try to remain open minded but it seems every song I open from Dallas has giant clams in the guitar solos. BTMMR for example is going along swimmingly then Ron's solo comes and he face plants it. I am not wrong to expect more, MT in the wings kept them sharper I suppose. Of course I hope RW reads this, shape up mate.
i'm gaining a new appreciation for your name, DoomandGloom :-)
Yeah, I just heard the ... erm... guitar solo... on IORR from Dallas, and, uh... that was nothing to write home about...
And it's difficult not to have doom and gloom about the Stones' future... and what little of it remains.
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<<surely Mick and Keith knew Ronnie, Taylor didn't need to introduce him..?>>
They would have known his work from the Birds, Creation, Jeff Beck Group, and Faces. In fact, the Faces used the Stones' rehearsal room in Bermondsey, courtesy of Ian Stewart.
Has anyone heard that Wood was among the guitarists invited to join the Stones in 1969, that he was invited before Taylor was, and that he failed to join because he missed a phone call?
One version of the story has it that when the call came through from Mick Jagger and that Ronnie Lane took the call at the rehearsal room in Bermondsey. Not wanting for Woodie to leave the Faces, when asked about whether he would be interested in joining the Stones Lane said No, thank you in Woodie's stead and only told him about the call 5 years later.
Story at: [www.snopes.com]
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Nice signature I like it. Consider adding jimmy miller and graham parsons to it... I'm sure there are even more.
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Nice signature I like it. Consider adding jimmy miller and graham parsons to it... I'm sure there are even more.
Thanks, Turner, it's done. That list is so long...
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Nice signature I like it. Consider adding jimmy miller and graham parsons to it... I'm sure there are even more.
Thanks, Turner, it's done. That list is so long...
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Nice signature I like it. Consider adding jimmy miller and graham parsons to it... I'm sure there are even more.
Thanks, Turner, it's done. That list is so long...
What the hell you trying to do man, Give us some perspective on the whole damn ride?! Nice nod to the dearly departed but you might want to change your name to TheUndertaker...
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Nice signature I like it. Consider adding jimmy miller and graham parsons to it... I'm sure there are even more.
Thanks, Turner, it's done. That list is so long...
What the hell you trying to do man, Give us some perspective on the whole damn ride?! Nice nod to the dearly departed but you might want to change your name to TheUndertaker...
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Sor-ry Naturalust... I don't put that signature up all the time or anything... I've only used it twice and this is the first time on a thread that isn't dead... I wanted to come up with a unique signature so I went with this... I only use it when I think it's a appropriate moment... I'll accept complaints only if I start ending every post with it. I'm sorry if I upset you, but I'll stick with it and continue using it judiciously...
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Someone sent me a video of Clapton guesting on LRR in Atlantic City. Mick gets pissed when Clapton steals the stage and Keith laughs. I was not aware that this had happened other than MT at Staples, I rarely have never seen Mick get angry for being upstaged. Does MJ prefer dreadful guitar playing?
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Is this the first or second night in AC we're talking about? IMO, he plays very well both nights, but noticeably better on the first night when it's clearly more of a spontaneous jam and he has to borrow Ronnie's Strat for want of his own gear.
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Still I try to remain open minded but it seems every song I open from Dallas has giant clams in the guitar solos. BTMMR for example is going along swimmingly then Ron's solo comes and he face plants it. I am not wrong to expect more, MT in the wings kept them sharper I suppose.
I've not really listened to much from this tour, but judging from what people have been saying here, this had occurred to me as well - if Keith and Ronnie's playing from 2012 to 2014 was a dramatic improvement on 2007, that might have had something to do with Taylor being there and the knowledge that Jagger had the final say on how many songs he got each night. Now he's not there, and so the pressure's off to some extent. Each time I've heard Keith solo on Sympathy or Satisfaction on this tour, it's been really terrible. He just sounds like he doesn't care.