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There really is no rational explanation.
. I agree with dcba’s analysis.I would add however, if Mick and Keith really wanted him back he could havebeen asked to rejoin the band for the end of the tour or if they had some contractual agreement with Wood after the 1975 tour because Wood was not a member of the band.With Wyman they held his spot open for two years after he quit.And even after Darryl Jones played on the Voodoo Lounge Tour if Bill asked to rejoin I bet they’d accommodate him.I also bet Taylor would have rejoined in 1975 if offered the opportunityQuote
TravelinMan
I agree with most of that dcba, but I do think he was tired of being in the band and the lack of professional recognition as far as credits and creative expression were concerned helped in making his decision to leave. He obviously wasn’t happy or he wouldn’t have left.
In retrospect, the bad habits he developed would have easily been exacerbated with Stones money pouring in and I believe that’s why he said he might not have survived.
On a side note, it would have been interesting to see what would have happened had the Bruce Band reverted to Cream songs and ramped-up blues covers instead of breaking up when it wasn’t working. I think they would have been a much larger draw, although in turn might not have been the best for Taylor’s health.
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DandelionPowderman
Why do you believe that?
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DandelionPowderman
Why do you believe that?
Maybe not in 1975 already, but one or two years later he must have learned his lesson...
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Why do you believe that?
Maybe not in 1975 already, but one or two years later he must have learned his lesson...
Too late by then, Ronnie joined.
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TravelinMan
First of all, Taylor never hired a lawyer and specifically said “I wrote these songs.” He said he feels like n retrospect he should have received some credit. He said he expected some credit and Jagger told him he would. He also said the songs would have been written, perhaps, but they wouldn’t have sounded the way they did.
The Stones are a different animal when it comes to songwriting credit, we all know this. A guy like John Mayall might have given credit much more freely than the Glimmers. I’ve personally received songwriting credit for programming a drum part. So it really is subjective.
Whether you believe he deserves it or not, he felt he did to some extent and Jagger told him as much. Taylor also said he just think they forgot and didn’t do it on purpose, it just didn’t matter to them. So not keeping your lead guitarist happy is a reason a lead guitarist might leave a band. It’s that simple.
Great post TravelinMan, this sums it up and it's why i believe he left.
Wood did it, Taylor could have done it too, the truth is that this was not the real reason that pushed Taylor away.
As Taylor himself said, drugs played an important role and at the time the Stones were experiencing a moment of uncertainty regardless of Taylor. Nobody at the time would have bet anything on the Rolling Stones who by all accounts were close to disbanding. This coupled with Taylor's drug problems drove him away, not the credits, which weren't in Taylor's head at the time.
If Taylor really cared about those credits he would get them, there were in fact financial deals between the band and him.
Sorry, I have to call BS here. First of all, trying to compare Taylor and Wood doesn’t work. Wood is older and was in a major band(s) for years. He understood how it worked. Taylor was looked after by elder statesman, John Mayall, who gave him credit when it was due. Taylor was taken care of and then joined the Stones as what, 19/20 year old? Talk about being thrown in the fire.
Secondly, are you totally ignoring the Nick Kent interview where Taylor said Jagger promised him credit? They obviously wrote together without Richards.
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>Taylor replied: "Marshall, if I don't leave now they'll take me off in a pine box".
Again, he was being needlessly modest. Surely they could afford a proper walnut casket. They are, after all, the Rolling Stones.
jb
Well, Bill Wymansupposedly said that Taylor made inquiry into possibly rejoining shortlyafter the Jack Bruce /Carla Bley Band disbanded , and Wyman said something like you don’t just let people come back that fast after they quit.I find thatquotes legitimacy dubious.It was in an old Book on The Rolling Stones.But every time a Stone asked him to help on a project , whether it was Bill or Keith or Mick he agreed to do it. He played on Talk is Cheap, the John Phillips album, the Rhythm Kings albums, Plunderd My Soul, live in KansS1981, etc. When it looked like in 1977 Keith might go to jail , Jagger asked Taylor if he’d rejoin if it was a lengthy imprisonment.Taylor , in respect to Keith ,said hopefully he wouldn’t be needed.Personally, when Wyman quit I think they made a mistake bringing Jones in.Taylor could have been brought in instead.He Ronnie and Keith could have split the bass duties on the albums and live.Quote
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Taylor1
every time a Stone asked him to help on a project , whether it was Bill or Keith or Mick he agreed to do it. He played on Talk is Cheap, the John Phillips album, the Rhythm Kings albums, Plundered My Soul, live in Kansas 1981, etc.
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every time a Stone asked him to help on a project , whether it was Bill or Keith or Mick he agreed to do it. He played on Talk is Cheap, the John Phillips album, the Rhythm Kings albums, Plundered My Soul, live in Kansas 1981, etc.
If you exclude the 81 Kansas City show (which was the result of a contractual obligation) it took 35 years for MT to be working with Jagger again (1974-2009 for the EOMS reissue). I wouldn't call it a close proximity.
As for Keith : well Keef did with MT what he did with Bobby Keys. No matter what happens (you quit (MT) or you're fired (Keys) you're still part of the family and I'll gladly work with you again anytime.
Keys was fired from the band during the 73 Euro tour by Jagger but as early as July 75 Keef had managed to have back onstage for the L.A. gigs in blatant violation of Jagger's ukaze.
That's Keef and his "who the f&ck is Mick Jagger" attitude.
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Taylor1
It’s pretty accurate to say that when Keith got busted for heroin in Canada in 1977Jagger reached out to ask Taylor if he’d rejoin should Keith go to prison for an extended period of time.All I said was if Mick and Keith really wanted Taylor to remain with the band they would have in June 1975 asked Taylor if he wanted to rejoin. Wood was only a guest on the tour at that time.And it isn’t like Taylor was like Brian in 1969 when he was not contributing to the band when Taylor quit.And unlike Brian , Taylor was well liked by the band when he quit. .I’m not saying Wood wasn’t a good replacement.But it was such a short time from December 1974 to June 1975 when the Carla Bley / Bruce band disbanded.
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TravelinMan
First of all, Taylor never hired a lawyer and specifically said “I wrote these songs.” He said he feels like n retrospect he should have received some credit. He said he expected some credit and Jagger told him he would. He also said the songs would have been written, perhaps, but they wouldn’t have sounded the way they did.
The Stones are a different animal when it comes to songwriting credit, we all know this. A guy like John Mayall might have given credit much more freely than the Glimmers. I’ve personally received songwriting credit for programming a drum part. So it really is subjective.
Whether you believe he deserves it or not, he felt he did to some extent and Jagger told him as much. Taylor also said he just think they forgot and didn’t do it on purpose, it just didn’t matter to them. So not keeping your lead guitarist happy is a reason a lead guitarist might leave a band. It’s that simple.
Great post TravelinMan, this sums it up and it's why i believe he left.
Wood did it, Taylor could have done it too, the truth is that this was not the real reason that pushed Taylor away.
As Taylor himself said, drugs played an important role and at the time the Stones were experiencing a moment of uncertainty regardless of Taylor. Nobody at the time would have bet anything on the Rolling Stones who by all accounts were close to disbanding. This coupled with Taylor's drug problems drove him away, not the credits, which weren't in Taylor's head at the time.
If Taylor really cared about those credits he would get them, there were in fact financial deals between the band and him.
Sorry, I have to call BS here. First of all, trying to compare Taylor and Wood doesn’t work. Wood is older and was in a major band(s) for years. He understood how it worked. Taylor was looked after by elder statesman, John Mayall, who gave him credit when it was due. Taylor was taken care of and then joined the Stones as what, 19/20 year old? Talk about being thrown in the fire.
Secondly, are you totally ignoring the Nick Kent interview where Taylor said Jagger promised him credit? They obviously wrote together without Richards.
If he ever was "thrown in the fire" it must have been in 1969, when he joined the Stones. The songs in question where he claims he should have received credits for happened years later. By that time, he should have learnt how this business works. If not, well, call it naivety, greenness, whatever - in the end, it was his fault, no excuses.
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Taylor was visually ticked off when Kent told him he wasn’t on the credits to IORR.
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Taylor was visually ticked off when Kent told him he wasn’t on the credits to IORR.
Imho MT had one idea : breaking the Keef/Mick songwriting partnership and make a new one with Jagger.
When he saw that - no matter what he'd achieve with Jagger - the songs would still be credited KR/MJ, he split...
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TravelinMan
Taylor was visually ticked off when Kent told him he wasn’t on the credits to IORR.
Imho MT had one idea : breaking the Keef/Mick songwriting partnership and make a new one with Jagger.
When he saw that - no matter what he'd achieve with Jagger - the songs would still be credited KR/MJ, he split...