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I don't think this has ever been important to the band. The Stones were never a band of great musicians, but of musicians who together produced something exceptional.Quote
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After watching this i have to think is there a better guitarist in the world, i don't think so, and had he been touring with the Stones at this time their shows might have been unequalled.
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TestifyI don't think this has ever been important to the band. The Stones were never a band of great musicians, but of musicians who together produced something exceptional.Quote
Rocktiludrop
After watching this i have to think is there a better guitarist in the world, i don't think so, and had he been touring with the Stones at this time their shows might have been unequalled.
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Otherwise after the best guitarist, how about hiring the best drummer and the best bassist? and the best singer?
... all nice, but they wouldn't be the Rolling Stones anymore!
Taylor worked with the Stones for a few years, but Taylor felt suffocated there, because in a band you don't have much space and in the Stones only Jagger-Richards were really fundamental and they decide.
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TestifyI don't think this has ever been important to the band. The Stones were never a band of great musicians, but of musicians who together produced something exceptional.Quote
Rocktiludrop
After watching this i have to think is there a better guitarist in the world, i don't think so, and had he been touring with the Stones at this time their shows might have been unequalled.
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Otherwise after the best guitarist, how about hiring the best drummer and the best bassist? and the best singer?
... all nice, but they wouldn't be the Rolling Stones anymore!
Taylor worked with the Stones for a few years, but Taylor felt suffocated there, because in a band you don't have much space and in the Stones only Jagger-Richards were really fundamental and they decide.
I think the real reason he left the band was because Mick and Keith were too greedy when it came to song writing credits, it's obvious that while Taylor was in the band he was inspirational and helped to create their best albums, the albums that followed after he left proves that.
While i agree the Stones are greater than the sum of their parts they really needed a guitarist who was on his game every night, tours that followed Taylor's departure were spasmodic from show to show, nights where it almost falls to pieces. it's the nights where neither Keith or Ronnie cover each other that were the problem, and how good was it when Keith and Taylor didn't seem to need any cover, it just gets too sloppy at times with Keith and Ronnie.
Charlie and Bill were the best rhythm section in rock .Of course they were great musicians.A d Keith at his best is a unique great rock guitarist.Quote
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TestifyI don't think this has ever been important to the band. The Stones were never a band of great musicians, but of musicians who together produced something exceptional.Quote
Rocktiludrop
After watching this i have to think is there a better guitarist in the world, i don't think so, and had he been touring with the Stones at this time their shows might have been unequalled.
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Otherwise after the best guitarist, how about hiring the best drummer and the best bassist? and the best singer?
... all nice, but they wouldn't be the Rolling Stones anymore!
Taylor worked with the Stones for a few years, but Taylor felt suffocated there, because in a band you don't have much space and in the Stones only Jagger-Richards were really fundamental and they decide.
I think the real reason he left the band was because Mick and Keith were too greedy when it came to song writing credits, it's obvious that while Taylor was in the band he was inspirational and helped to create their best albums, the albums that followed after he left proves that.
While i agree the Stones are greater than the sum of their parts they really needed a guitarist who was on his game every night, tours that followed Taylor's departure were spasmodic from show to show, nights where it almost falls to pieces. it's the nights where neither Keith or Ronnie cover each other that were the problem, and how good was it when Keith and Taylor didn't seem to need any cover, it just gets too sloppy at times with Keith and Ronnie.
I dunno but I always thought of Taylor as not the greatest creator but more as the greatest embellisher, just like Brian Jones. They needed people like Keith and Mick to come up with a song idea or even a rough scetch that they could work on and, yes, shine.
Just like Joe Cocker - not a songwriter at all, but he could turn a nice little ditty like With A Little Help From My Friends into something else... But it's still a Lennon/McCartney song!
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TestifyI don't think this has ever been important to the band. The Stones were never a band of great musicians, but of musicians who together produced something exceptional.Quote
Rocktiludrop
After watching this i have to think is there a better guitarist in the world, i don't think so, and had he been touring with the Stones at this time their shows might have been unequalled.
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Otherwise after the best guitarist, how about hiring the best drummer and the best bassist? and the best singer?
... all nice, but they wouldn't be the Rolling Stones anymore!
Taylor worked with the Stones for a few years, but Taylor felt suffocated there, because in a band you don't have much space and in the Stones only Jagger-Richards were really fundamental and they decide.
I think the real reason he left the band was because Mick and Keith were too greedy when it came to song writing credits, it's obvious that while Taylor was in the band he was inspirational and helped to create their best albums, the albums that followed after he left proves that.
While i agree the Stones are greater than the sum of their parts they really needed a guitarist who was on his game every night, tours that followed Taylor's departure were spasmodic from show to show, nights where it almost falls to pieces. it's the nights where neither Keith or Ronnie cover each other that were the problem, and how good was it when Keith and Taylor didn't seem to need any cover, it just gets too sloppy at times with Keith and Ronnie.
I dunno but I always thought of Taylor as not the greatest creator but more as the greatest embellisher, just like Brian Jones. They needed people like Keith and Mick to come up with a song idea or even a rough scetch that they could work on and, yes, shine.
Just like Joe Cocker - not a songwriter at all, but he could turn a nice little ditty like With A Little Help From My Friends into something else... But it's still a Lennon/McCartney song!
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The phrasing on his solo on Angie (Brussels Affair Bootleg) is an excercise in minimalist perfection. Every aspect of every note has it's purpose in creating a perfect musical sentence. Sometimes his playing takes you in some unexpected directions then brings you back again.
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Taylor not the greatest creator you say, agreed but would it have hurt to give him a couple writing credits to keep him happy, those songs Mick Jagger takes credit for when Keith wasn't around, that he obviously couldn't write without Taylor, if he could have wrote like that on his own where is the proof since Taylor's departure or before he joined.
Songs like Sway, Winter, and Time Waits For No One, Can You Hear Me Knocking, Moonlight Mile, man he deserves a credit for Winter and Moonlight Mile if nothing else, all he got for all his inspiration was Ventilator Blues WTF.
On some of these tracks Taylor's solo's span half the songs, the best bits..
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The three tracks Mick Taylor says he co-wrote and was promised credit for:
Moonlight Mile
Till The Next Goodbye
Time Waits For No One
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The three tracks Mick Taylor says he co-wrote and was promised credit for:
Moonlight Mile
Till The Next Goodbye
Time Waits For No One
Well, that happen to be 3 fantastic, sensitive and straight out of the heart songs.
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The three tracks Mick Taylor says he co-wrote and was promised credit for:
Moonlight Mile
Till The Next Goodbye
Time Waits For No One
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Rocktiludrop
Taylor not the greatest creator you say, agreed but would it have hurt to give him a couple writing credits to keep him happy, those songs Mick Jagger takes credit for when Keith wasn't around, that he obviously couldn't write without Taylor, if he could have wrote like that on his own where is the proof since Taylor's departure or before he joined.
Songs like Sway, Winter, and Time Waits For No One, Can You Hear Me Knocking, Moonlight Mile, man he deserves a credit for Winter and Moonlight Mile if nothing else, all he got for all his inspiration was Ventilator Blues WTF.
On some of these tracks Taylor's solo's span half the songs, the best bits..
Why should Taylor deserve more credit than Charlie Watts or Bill Wyman? And what should Nicky Hopkins say?
And in any case, as a matter of fact, the Stones made Charlie Watts and Bill Wyman multi-millionaires.
If you are a multi-millionaire, does it really matter if you have a million more or a million less?
C
PS: all members of the Rolling Stones were / are superb musicians!!
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Taylor not the greatest creator you say, agreed but would it have hurt to give him a couple writing credits to keep him happy, those songs Mick Jagger takes credit for when Keith wasn't around, that he obviously couldn't write without Taylor, if he could have wrote like that on his own where is the proof since Taylor's departure or before he joined.
Songs like Sway, Winter, and Time Waits For No One, Can You Hear Me Knocking, Moonlight Mile, man he deserves a credit for Winter and Moonlight Mile if nothing else, all he got for all his inspiration was Ventilator Blues WTF.
On some of these tracks Taylor's solo's span half the songs, the best bits..
Why should Taylor deserve more credit than Charlie Watts or Bill Wyman? And what should Nicky Hopkins say?
And in any case, as a matter of fact, the Stones made Charlie Watts and Bill Wyman multi-millionaires.
If you are a multi-millionaire, does it really matter if you have a million more or a million less?
C
PS: all members of the Rolling Stones were / are superb musicians!!
Why should Taylor deserve more credit? Well, that’s easy. Because Mick Jagger specifically told him that he’d receive credit. When that didn’t happen, he left the band not too long after. It isn’t a big mystery.
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The three tracks Mick Taylor says he co-wrote and was promised credit for:
Moonlight Mile
Till The Next Goodbye
Time Waits For No One
He’s said a few different songs in different interviews over the years, and it’s not limited to what you’ve written.
Sway
Can’t You Hear Me Knocking (Coda)
Moonlight Mile
Ventilator Blues
Hide Your Love
Time Waits For No One
Tops
Till the Next… I haven’t read he actually said he helped write that, just that he contributed to it. He never specifically mentioned it like the others.
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Taylor not the greatest creator you say, agreed but would it have hurt to give him a couple writing credits to keep him happy, those songs Mick Jagger takes credit for when Keith wasn't around, that he obviously couldn't write without Taylor, if he could have wrote like that on his own where is the proof since Taylor's departure or before he joined.
Songs like Sway, Winter, and Time Waits For No One, Can You Hear Me Knocking, Moonlight Mile, man he deserves a credit for Winter and Moonlight Mile if nothing else, all he got for all his inspiration was Ventilator Blues WTF.
On some of these tracks Taylor's solo's span half the songs, the best bits..
Why should Taylor deserve more credit than Charlie Watts or Bill Wyman? And what should Nicky Hopkins say?
And in any case, as a matter of fact, the Stones made Charlie Watts and Bill Wyman multi-millionaires.
If you are a multi-millionaire, does it really matter if you have a million more or a million less?
C
PS: all members of the Rolling Stones were / are superb musicians!!
Why should Taylor deserve more credit? Well, that’s easy. Because Mick Jagger specifically told him that he’d receive credit. When that didn’t happen, he left the band not too long after. It isn’t a big mystery.
And how do you know?
C
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Taylor not the greatest creator you say, agreed but would it have hurt to give him a couple writing credits to keep him happy, those songs Mick Jagger takes credit for when Keith wasn't around, that he obviously couldn't write without Taylor, if he could have wrote like that on his own where is the proof since Taylor's departure or before he joined.
Songs like Sway, Winter, and Time Waits For No One, Can You Hear Me Knocking, Moonlight Mile, man he deserves a credit for Winter and Moonlight Mile if nothing else, all he got for all his inspiration was Ventilator Blues WTF.
On some of these tracks Taylor's solo's span half the songs, the best bits..
Why should Taylor deserve more credit than Charlie Watts or Bill Wyman? And what should Nicky Hopkins say?
And in any case, as a matter of fact, the Stones made Charlie Watts and Bill Wyman multi-millionaires.
If you are a multi-millionaire, does it really matter if you have a million more or a million less?
C
PS: all members of the Rolling Stones were / are superb musicians!!
Why should Taylor deserve more credit? Well, that’s easy. Because Mick Jagger specifically told him that he’d receive credit. When that didn’t happen, he left the band not too long after. It isn’t a big mystery.
And how do you know?
C
He has never really been all that explicit as far as specific titles go. He refers to the fact that KR was not present during the initial recording of certain songs, or that some songs would not have existed without him. He remains vague. He never has come out and said "Sway was written by MJ and I and I deserve credit". If anyone has any specific links to interviews I would be curious to see. On going debate that has been going on for years.
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Taylor not the greatest creator you say, agreed but would it have hurt to give him a couple writing credits to keep him happy, those songs Mick Jagger takes credit for when Keith wasn't around, that he obviously couldn't write without Taylor, if he could have wrote like that on his own where is the proof since Taylor's departure or before he joined.
Songs like Sway, Winter, and Time Waits For No One, Can You Hear Me Knocking, Moonlight Mile, man he deserves a credit for Winter and Moonlight Mile if nothing else, all he got for all his inspiration was Ventilator Blues WTF.
On some of these tracks Taylor's solo's span half the songs, the best bits..
Why should Taylor deserve more credit than Charlie Watts or Bill Wyman? And what should Nicky Hopkins say?
And in any case, as a matter of fact, the Stones made Charlie Watts and Bill Wyman multi-millionaires.
If you are a multi-millionaire, does it really matter if you have a million more or a million less?
C
PS: all members of the Rolling Stones were / are superb musicians!!
Why should Taylor deserve more credit? Well, that’s easy. Because Mick Jagger specifically told him that he’d receive credit. When that didn’t happen, he left the band not too long after. It isn’t a big mystery.
And how do you know?
C
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The three tracks Mick Taylor says he co-wrote and was promised credit for:
Moonlight Mile
Till The Next Goodbye
Time Waits For No One
He’s said a few different songs in different interviews over the years, and it’s not limited to what you’ve written.
Sway
Can’t You Hear Me Knocking (Coda)
Moonlight Mile
Ventilator Blues
Hide Your Love
Time Waits For No One
Tops
Till the Next… I haven’t read he actually said he helped write that, just that he contributed to it. He never specifically mentioned it like the others.
The only song I've read he expected songwriting credits for is Till The Next Goodbye. So did Carly Simon, btw.
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If MickTaylor had dived into Jazz Rock and a bit more of a sober lifestyle, he would have forgotten about the Stones for 40 years already. He could have become another Jeff Beck, who isn't a "songwriter" in the traditional sense either.
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The three tracks Mick Taylor says he co-wrote and was promised credit for:
Moonlight Mile
Till The Next Goodbye
Time Waits For No One
He’s said a few different songs in different interviews over the years, and it’s not limited to what you’ve written.
Sway
Can’t You Hear Me Knocking (Coda)
Moonlight Mile
Ventilator Blues
Hide Your Love
Time Waits For No One
Tops
Till the Next… I haven’t read he actually said he helped write that, just that he contributed to it. He never specifically mentioned it like the others.
The only song I've read he expected songwriting credits for is Till The Next Goodbye. So did Carly Simon, btw.
Where did you read that?
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If MickTaylor had dived into Jazz Rock and a bit more of a sober lifestyle, he would have forgotten about the Stones for 40 years already. He could have become another Jeff Beck, who isn't a "songwriter" in the traditional sense either.
I agree. Had he had a successful career after the Stones he would not be complaining about credits on a few songs 40 years after the fact. He fell prey to his addictions. His life and career could have taken a completely different course. He could have joined other high profile bands or formed one himself and had a career à la Joe Walsh. Though he did guest with Jack Bruce and Bob Dylan, I wonder why he did not do it with so many others in the upper echelons of rock. People like like David Bowie. I agree as well that his musical interests did not evolve that much. He did not really explore other guitar genres and stuck to blues.
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CARLY SIMON: "We wrote a song together that became a song on the Stones' next album called TILL THE NEXT GOODBYE. I thought that that was going to be a joint venture, but I'd never heard from Mick about how he'd like me to share the royalties. It's the very least I can do to thank Mick for turning what could of been an ordinary record [YOU'RE SO VAIN on which Mick sang backing vocals] into an iconic huge song for me over the years—so, my god, let him take all of my songs and say that he wrote them>
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CARLY SIMON: "We wrote a song together that became a song on the Stones' next album called TILL THE NEXT GOODBYE. I thought that that was going to be a joint venture, but I'd never heard from Mick about how he'd like me to share the royalties. It's the very least I can do to thank Mick for turning what could of been an ordinary record [YOU'RE SO VAIN on which Mick sang backing vocals] into an iconic huge song for me over the years—so, my god, let him take all of my songs and say that he wrote them>
Interesting. Thanks for pulling the quotes, adds substance to otherwise baseless claims such as those I make. There is an element of self-interest on Simon's part in claiming she co-wrote though it's impossible to substantiate. She increases her currency and book slaes if she can associate herself with MJ.
Did she wake up one morning after a night of hot romance to find Mick curled in her wicker couch and basking in a stream of sunlight, strumming away at a new song. After sleepily kissing him good morning she cuddles up and sings along, offering some suggestions. Looking at his watch he realizes it is almost noon and has to go. "Carly darling, thanks so much for the wonderful evening but my wife Bianca is waiting for me. She gets very angry and jealous if I am away too long. Til the next time we say good-bye." Smooch, smooch.
It's a little rich to make authorship claims decades after the fact. If you really think you are entitled you should make your claim during the fact.
Same for Taylor. If not getting a credit Midnight Mile was such an issue and he felt ripped off why would he go on to make 3 more albums with the band?
Yoko had the song Imagine co-credited to her 45 years after the fact despite getting 10's of millions of dollars from John Lennons estate. Talk about vanity publishing!
Clare Tory successfully sued EMI, Pink Floyd and Richard Wright in 2004, 36 years after the fact, for co-authorship of The Great Gig in the Sky (Dark Side of the Moon). Times must have tough for her when she did.
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The three tracks Mick Taylor says he co-wrote and was promised credit for:
Moonlight Mile
Till The Next Goodbye
Time Waits For No One
Well, that happen to be 3 fantastic, sensitive and straight out of the heart songs.
MM is sublime but th two others have aged badly and reek of the 70's in their worst aspects.
Otoh FF still sounds fresh, tight, and mean.
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Taylor not the greatest creator you say, agreed but would it have hurt to give him a couple writing credits to keep him happy, those songs Mick Jagger takes credit for when Keith wasn't around, that he obviously couldn't write without Taylor, if he could have wrote like that on his own where is the proof since Taylor's departure or before he joined.
Songs like Sway, Winter, and Time Waits For No One, Can You Hear Me Knocking, Moonlight Mile, man he deserves a credit for Winter and Moonlight Mile if nothing else, all he got for all his inspiration was Ventilator Blues WTF.
On some of these tracks Taylor's solo's span half the songs, the best bits..
Why should Taylor deserve more credit than Charlie Watts or Bill Wyman? And what should Nicky Hopkins say?
And in any case, as a matter of fact, the Stones made Charlie Watts and Bill Wyman multi-millionaires.
If you are a multi-millionaire, does it really matter if you have a million more or a million less?
C
PS: all members of the Rolling Stones were / are superb musicians!!
Why should Taylor deserve more credit? Well, that’s easy. Because Mick Jagger specifically told him that he’d receive credit. When that didn’t happen, he left the band not too long after. It isn’t a big mystery.
And how do you know?
C
He has never really been all that explicit as far as specific titles go. He refers to the fact that KR was not present during the initial recording of certain songs, or that some songs would not have existed without him. He remains vague. He never has come out and said "Sway was written by MJ and I and I deserve credit". If anyone has any specific links to interviews I would be curious to see. On going debate that has been going on for years.