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MT is gone. The band rolls on without him.

And the band imo rolls better without him, in hindsight MT became more and more a brake pad for the band, one can hear soome fine examples for that on GHS/IORR. Maybe yet another album with MT would have killed the band. He literally sucked the energy out of the band. The energy returned with Ronnie´s arrival.

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HMS
That was a big problem indeed - the Riffmaster not at the height of his abilities and a non-Stones-like sounding smooth and fluid playing guitarrero trying to take over the band. Had taylor stayed, the band would have crashed within a year or two, maybe earlier.

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Had taylor stayed, the band would have crashed within a year or two, maybe earlier.

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Jeff Beck would never have joined the Stones, even if he was welcome.

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TravelinMan
Mick Taylor’s solo albums have plenty of blues and rock. He never strayed away from his roots. So much of this anti-Taylor stuff is garbage.

If Jeff Beck joined the Stones they would have crashed and burned like a Stone Zeppelin.

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Jeff Beck & MT should have joined forces. They are two of a kind noodlers. Another similarity: Like MT back in the 70s Jeff Beck tried to talk Mick into breaking up the band in the 80s - --

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Mick Taylor’s solo albums have plenty of blues and rock. He never strayed away from his roots. So much of this anti-Taylor stuff is garbage.

If Jeff Beck joined the Stones they would have crashed and burned like a Stone Zeppelin.

MT has made more than one solo-album?


Jeff Beck & MT should have joined forces. They are two of a kind noodlers. Another similarity: Like MT back in the 70s Jeff Beck tried to talk Mick into breaking up the band in the 80s - --

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That was a big problem indeed - the Riffmaster not at the height of his abilities and a non-Stones-like sounding smooth and fluid playing guitarrero trying to take over the band. Had taylor stayed, the band would have crashed within a year or two, maybe earlier.

Although I think you are some what mentally unhinged... ... there is something to what you say here.

If not crashed, then perhaps mutated in to something unrecognisable.

Post 74 Jaggers jet setting and trend chasing combined with Taylors tentative steps in to jazz rock fusion creates scenarios for some horrific music.

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Chasing trends is exactly what they did after MT left.

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Chasing trends is exactly what they did after MT left.

Yes, so mixing that with Taylors jazz fusion aspirations = yuk.

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I take it that you don't like jazz fusion

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This is a common misconception. What are you considering jazz fusion on any Stones record? I'm sorry, but the harmony was never complex enough to be considered jazz. lol

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SomeGuy
There is no jazz fusion or whatever in MT's playing on Stones records.

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MT is gone. The band rolls on without him.

And the band imo rolls better without him, in hindsight MT became more and more a brake pad for the band, one can hear soome fine examples for that on GHS/IORR. Maybe yet another album with MT would have killed the band. He literally sucked the energy out of the band. The energy returned with Ronnie´s arrival.

This is complete nonsense, he “literally sucked the energy out of the band”?? Maybe someone else’s heroin addiction was havingh a good crack at that.

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Any examples?

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SomeGuy
That's just too easy.

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HMS
That was a big problem indeed - the Riffmaster not at the height of his abilities and a non-Stones-like sounding smooth and fluid playing guitarrero trying to take over the band. Had taylor stayed, the band would have crashed within a year or two, maybe earlier.

Although I think you are some what mentally unhinged... ... there is something to what you say here.

If not crashed, then perhaps mutated in to something unrecognisable.

Post 74 Jaggers jet setting and trend chasing combined with Taylors tentative steps in to jazz rock fusion creates scenarios for some horrific music.

Chasing trends is exactly what they did after MT left. However, we can see that they survived and can't know what would have happened had Wood not joined. Probably more mindless records like Black And Blue. On the other hand, I don't think MT had anything to say in the band, just as Wood doesn't have a say. Fact is, we have to make do with the Stones not having a talented guitarist, better deal with it. I don't expect them to suddenly change and sound like 1972 again, even though Jagger tried to do so on Wandering Spirit. They just don't have the personnel for it.

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Humbug
At least in terms of money the golden years started in 1989!

Musically the Wood-era has no less highlights to offer than the Taylor-years. I could give you a detailed list anytime. Once again, the Taylor years showed the (temporary) decline of the band: IORR worse than GHS, GHS worse than EOMS, EOMS worse than SF. So what´s so golden about it after all. Two superb albums - LIB & SF (on one of them almost NO Taylor), one album that could have been a masterpiece it they had shortened it (EOMS) plus two mediocre tired-sounding and overall rather boring albums (GHS/IORR).

Musically, the golden years are the period when they released their incredible string of iconic singles. More golden than any other period (sorry all you Taylorites, but there can´t be any doubt about it).

Taylor was lucky to be around when the Glimmers wrote some of their best songs (EOMS, especially SF) and Wood is not responsible for seemingly weak albums like SW, VL, B2B, ABB. It´s not unusual that the latter day-output of an artist/a band is not as strong as the output of earlier years.

To understand stuff like this one needs to be more a psychologist than knowing anything of music. What HMS says is extreme and troll-like, but it still reflects not so uncommon agenda here. I find it odd, honestly. I guess the angst against Taylor, a guitarist they used to have when they were still creating their legacy big time, stems from some sort of him being recognized too good, an incredible lead guitarist and a musician by any means, and that is not done just by some 'Taylorities' but by a major rock history literature. That recognition, if not even a common truth, hurts some sensitive souls. A bit similar like the common notion that 'Brian Jones was the best of musician of all of them', which seems to make some Stones fans discomfortable. 'What about Keef, ugh?' (no one actually care about Ronnie per se, his apologism stems purely from Keefism) .

So there are people who do their their best to downplay and belittle anything Taylor (or Jones) have contributed to the Stones. Be that trying to show that no way those guys had any contribution is shaping the songs, they didn't play in 'that and that' tune, 'Stones in not about solos', etc. etc. It's almost gestapo-like how certain members here are acting here in details like that - to show how little use of those guys had in some bloody particular tracks or something. If they weren't there (best scenario), they at least did something anyone could have done in a template like that (so, no reason to get excited), or, typical especially with Taylor, destroyed it by their 'Non-Stonesy' means (what a bastard). And in reality - these views are missing the big picture big time.

Sometimes I cannot but feel ashamed for belonging to this so called Ronnie Wood era fan generation, hooked once by that bloody "Start Me Up". The most idiotic and musically one-sided of any Stones fan generations. I was born way tool late to understand anything really.

- Doxa




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They were chasing trends with Buttons, Satanic, Beggars, Bleed, SF and Exile, too.

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They were chasing trends with Buttons, Satanic, Beggars, Bleed, SF and Exile, too.