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"Get over it". Mick Taylor.
I cant
As much as i love Ronnie, Taylor is so much better, all the best Stones music recorded and live happened when Mick was in the band.
I agree with you. Still Taylor left the band just like that, and prior to that they had to deal with Brian Jones who was out of order. Then a yes-man / showman like Ron Wood became the Stones's logical choice. Safety first.
Yes Ronnie should go down in history as the mother of yes men, even with £80 million in the bank and at 71 years of age he still keeps saying yes.
Pity actually because the last thing in the world Mick & Keith could use is a yes man, same goes for Don another yes man, useless to them.
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"Get over it". Mick Taylor.
I cant
As much as i love Ronnie, Taylor is so much better, all the best Stones music recorded and live happened when Mick was in the band.
I agree with you. Still Taylor left the band just like that, and prior to that they had to deal with Brian Jones who was out of order. Then a yes-man / showman like Ron Wood became the Stones's logical choice. Safety first.
Yes Ronnie should go down in history as the mother of yes men, even with £80 million in the bank and at 71 years of age he still keeps saying yes.
Pity actually because the last thing in the world Mick & Keith could use is a yes man, same goes for Don another yes man, useless to them.
I have to say that I am not so happy about this "yes man"-stuff.
Besides, like what Palace Revolution 2000 indicates, and in accordance with sayings on this site, it seems that Ronnie Wood was instrumental in preventing the rift between Mick and Keith from developing into an incurable and full scale breakdown of the Stones before 1989.
And, paradoxially, that is the irony of it, with the arrival of punk and "new wave" in the later '70s, somehow Ronnie Wood also appeared as a more adequate guitarist in the Stones than Mick Taylor probably would have done at that particular time.
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"Get over it". Mick Taylor.
I cant
As much as i love Ronnie, Taylor is so much better, all the best Stones music recorded and live happened when Mick was in the band.
I agree with you. Still Taylor left the band just like that, and prior to that they had to deal with Brian Jones who was out of order. Then a yes-man / showman like Ron Wood became the Stones's logical choice. Safety first.
Yes Ronnie should go down in history as the mother of yes men, even with £80 million in the bank and at 71 years of age he still keeps saying yes.
Pity actually because the last thing in the world Mick & Keith could use is a yes man, same goes for Don another yes man, useless to them.
I have to say that I am not so happy about this "yes man"-stuff.
Besides, like what Palace Revolution 2000 indicates, and in accordance with sayings on this site, it seems that Ronnie Wood was instrumental in preventing the rift between Mick and Keith from developing into an incurable and full scale breakdown of the Stones before 1989.
And, paradoxially, that is the irony of it, with the arrival of punk and "new wave" in the later '70s, somehow Ronnie Wood also appeared as a more adequate guitarist in the Stones than Mick Taylor probably would have done at that particular time.
Re Ron Wood as a "yes-man": I think that Jagger and Richards could speak perfectly well for themselves.
Re Mick Taylor not suitable for the punk and new wave era: Listen to the Kemper Arena '81: Taylors musical contribution (unrehearsed) is as significant as Ron Wood's rehearsed contribution. This more or less proves that Taylor would have fit in perfectly well had he stayed with the Stones.
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The 81 show proved that the 3 guitar could work and MT not stepping all over RW I love what MT added to beast of Burden.
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The 81 show proved that the 3 guitar could work and MT not stepping all over RW I love what MT added to beast of Burden.
That is an impression that makes me wonder once again: Could Mick Taylor also have contributed to be a solution to unspecified problems during the ongoing studio work?
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"Get over it". Mick Taylor.
I cant
As much as i love Ronnie, Taylor is so much better, all the best Stones music recorded and live happened when Mick was in the band.
I agree with you. Still Taylor left the band just like that, and prior to that they had to deal with Brian Jones who was out of order. Then a yes-man / showman like Ron Wood became the Stones's logical choice. Safety first.
Yes Ronnie should go down in history as the mother of yes men, even with £80 million in the bank and at 71 years of age he still keeps saying yes.
Pity actually because the last thing in the world Mick & Keith could use is a yes man, same goes for Don another yes man, useless to them.
I have to say that I am not so happy about this "yes man"-stuff.
Besides, like what Palace Revolution 2000 indicates, and in accordance with sayings on this site, it seems that Ronnie Wood was instrumental in preventing the rift between Mick and Keith from developing into an incurable and full scale breakdown of the Stones before 1989.
And, paradoxially, that is the irony of it, with the arrival of punk and "new wave" in the later '70s, somehow Ronnie Wood also appeared as a more adequate guitarist in the Stones than Mick Taylor probably would have done at that particular time.
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In the end no one knows exactly who played what in those confused sessions in France, many are thinking that without the knowledge of Jagger, Keith has put Gram's guitar traces splitting them as his own. Actually when I listen to EOMS I always have the impression that in some tracks there is Gram on guitar.
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Another important point Ronnie sounded more like Brain J ..
What's the importance of that ?
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MT's stay with the stones produced songs that were not Keith's idea of what the stones should sound like. We got landscapes of sound in sway, winter, moonlight, etc and he took a 3 chord songs and made it sound sublime in the studio and playing live. That's the beauty of what he added to the stones graveyard rock and roll bluesy sound.
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All this talk of Ronnie coming along and being friends with Mick and Keith and keeping the Stones together is just BS. Ronnie was Keith's drink and drug buddy, from 75 to about 2002 he had very little in common with Mick creatively, socially or in any other way. Ok for the first few years in the band that may have been the case, but after 78' he was a very weak link to the chain, personally i can't believe he didn't get fired, maybe it was because he wasn't even a fully paid member of the band and didn't get many royalty's, so he came cheap, and Mick approves of cheap.
Mick just tolerated Ronnie's drinking and drugging because he showed up show time, Ronnie always just about managed to function, Keith has said many times he had to plead with Mick to keep him in the band over the years, Keith covered for Ronnie for decades, all this bollocks being said recently about Ronnie being the savior of the Stones has come about because he supposedly got clean 8 years ago, it's laughable really, he spent all those decades just hanging on, freeloading from the band, he was a waste of space up until about 2002 and now all this change in attitude towards him, i just don't buy it.
I'm sorry i just can't forget all those years he was crap night after night, ok he had his moments but not enough of them to inspire the band like Taylor did.
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All this talk of Ronnie coming along and being friends with Mick and Keith and keeping the Stones together is just BS. Ronnie was Keith's drink and drug buddy, from 75 to about 2002 he had very little in common with Mick creatively, socially or in any other way. Ok for the first few years in the band that may have been the case, but after 78' he was a very weak link to the chain, personally i can't believe he didn't get fired, maybe it was because he wasn't even a fully paid member of the band and didn't get many royalty's, so he came cheap, and Mick approves of cheap.
Mick just tolerated Ronnie's drinking and drugging because he showed up show time, Ronnie always just about managed to function, Keith has said many times he had to plead with Mick to keep him in the band over the years, Keith covered for Ronnie for decades, all this bollocks being said recently about Ronnie being the savior of the Stones has come about because he supposedly got clean 8 years ago, it's laughable really, he spent all those decades just hanging on, freeloading from the band, he was a waste of space up until about 2002 and now all this change in attitude towards him, i just don't buy it.
I'm sorry i just can't forget all those years he was crap night after night, ok he had his moments but not enough of them to inspire the band like Taylor did.
And yet, throughout those "dreadful" years, Mick socialized with Ronnie regularly, wrote songs with him, he helped arrange songs for Mick's solo projects (as did Charlie), he joined Mick onstage in 1992, Mick helped with Ronnie's solo projects (including helping him get solo deals), Mick encouraged him to go to rehab countless times, was supportive of his many efforts to clean up, etc. Rather expensive loyalty for a "freeloader" from someone you describe as "cheap." One would almost think they were friends and that Mick respected him as a player and songwriter.
And yes, I agree, their best work on stage or in the studio was during the Taylor years (well, and a year before he joined as well).
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"Get over it". Mick Taylor.
I cant
As much as i love Ronnie, Taylor is so much better, all the best Stones music recorded and live happened when Mick was in the band.
I agree with you. Still Taylor left the band just like that, and prior to that they had to deal with Brian Jones who was out of order. Then a yes-man / showman like Ron Wood became the Stones's logical choice. Safety first.
Yes Ronnie should go down in history as the mother of yes men, even with £80 million in the bank and at 71 years of age he still keeps saying yes.
Pity actually because the last thing in the world Mick & Keith could use is a yes man, same goes for Don another yes man, useless to them.
I have to say that I am not so happy about this "yes man"-stuff.
Besides, like what Palace Revolution 2000 indicates, and in accordance with sayings on this site, it seems that Ronnie Wood was instrumental in preventing the rift between Mick and Keith from developing into an incurable and full scale breakdown of the Stones before 1989.
And, paradoxially, that is the irony of it, with the arrival of punk and "new wave" in the later '70s, somehow Ronnie Wood also appeared as a more adequate guitarist in the Stones than Mick Taylor probably would have done at that particular time.
I don't follow this line of talk that Ronnie is the go between that keeps the band together, Mick will do what Mick will do to make the big bucks, Keith will toe the line with Mick to keep the band together, Ronnie doesn't come into it, Mick and Keith usually write the bulk of material pre studio or in the studio before Ronnie gets involved, the songs are written.
As for touring, Mick and Keith spend a fraction of time together, Mick and Keith will do what they have to do to continue as the Stones, a little thing like hating each others guts isn't going to get in the way.
As for Ronnie being suited to the punk era, are you seriously telling me that Ronnie's influence on Black And Blue and Some Girls is an improvement on Mick Taylor's influence on Sticky Fingers and Exile etc ??. No way, Roonie's song Hey Negrita is album filler and Some Girls are all Jagger Richards compositions.
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"Get over it". Mick Taylor.
I cant
As much as i love Ronnie, Taylor is so much better, all the best Stones music recorded and live happened when Mick was in the band.
I agree with you. Still Taylor left the band just like that, and prior to that they had to deal with Brian Jones who was out of order. Then a yes-man / showman like Ron Wood became the Stones's logical choice. Safety first.
Yes Ronnie should go down in history as the mother of yes men, even with £80 million in the bank and at 71 years of age he still keeps saying yes.
Pity actually because the last thing in the world Mick & Keith could use is a yes man, same goes for Don another yes man, useless to them.
I have to say that I am not so happy about this "yes man"-stuff.
Besides, like what Palace Revolution 2000 indicates, and in accordance with sayings on this site, it seems that Ronnie Wood was instrumental in preventing the rift between Mick and Keith from developing into an incurable and full scale breakdown of the Stones before 1989.
And, paradoxially, that is the irony of it, with the arrival of punk and "new wave" in the later '70s, somehow Ronnie Wood also appeared as a more adequate guitarist in the Stones than Mick Taylor probably would have done at that particular time.
I don't follow this line of talk that Ronnie is the go between that keeps the band together, Mick will do what Mick will do to make the big bucks, Keith will toe the line with Mick to keep the band together, Ronnie doesn't come into it, Mick and Keith usually write the bulk of material pre studio or in the studio before Ronnie gets involved, the songs are written.
As for touring, Mick and Keith spend a fraction of time together, Mick and Keith will do what they have to do to continue as the Stones, a little thing like hating each others guts isn't going to get in the way.
As for Ronnie being suited to the punk era, are you seriously telling me that Ronnie's influence on Black And Blue and Some Girls is an improvement on Mick Taylor's influence on Sticky Fingers and Exile etc ??. No way, Roonie's song Hey Negrita is album filler and Some Girls are all Jagger Richards compositions.
Well, I was not talking about Ronnie Wood at any time as you do, but at the moment when the Stones almost split up.
All the same, it is possible that I have fallen prey to a myth. In case, I am not the only one.
For instance, one thread with the title "did Ronnie really save the stones?" discusses the question. That thread with no certain answer yes or no, one may say.
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MT's stay with the stones produced songs that were not Keith's idea of what the stones should sound like. We got landscapes of sound in sway, winter, moonlight, etc and he took a 3 chord songs and made it sound sublime in the studio and playing live. That's the beauty of what he added to the stones graveyard rock and roll bluesy sound.
So Exile was not Keith's idea of what the Stones should sound like ??
I just meant the songs Keith was missing in action - Those songs like winter, moonlight where MT helped Jagger get the songs done. When have the stones sounded like a piece of music like Moonlight Mile ? I know Keith said he wrote the riff - but it is the best ballad and piece of music along with Winter the stones ever produced in the studio and Keith was not really involved. I know he sings backup vocals on Winter( I think).
Happy New Year to all
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Sorry Rocky for seeing things in a more cynical way than you when it comes to relationships between band members, i can see where you are coming from though, Mick has shown a lot of loyalty towards Ronnie over the years and Ronnie is doing his best to repay Mick and Keith for their patience by putting in great performances in recent years.