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Welcome to the Taylor bashing patrol.
Bashing? I called him an exceptional embellisher. Where's the bashing?
MT cannot write a memorable tune to save his life (unless you think "Twisted Sister" is as good as a Stones song) that's fact not bashing.
And you could ask yourself one thing :
if Taylor brought everything that was good in the Stones's music circa 69-74 how come what he did with Jack Bruce in 75 was complete crap? Taylor was still young hot and t the height of his talent, right? How come his "genius" that had infused SF Exile and others did not infuse Bruce's horrible prog mush?
Answers?
Twisted Sister and other songs from his self titled and A Stone's Throw albums are more enjoyable than many Stones songs from the 80's/90's. Jagger/Richards wrote a lot of garbage in addition to their many gems.
Taylor should have gone solo while he was a known guitarist if he wanted to make a splash. By the time he went solo, he was out of the limelight. Keith Richards said his solo album was excellent, and Richards has penned some of the greatest rock songs ever! The Jack Bruce period was a drug-induced haze of self indulgence for all included. It is what it is, and couldn't be saved.
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HMS
He´s just a player with almost no writing skills. He is lost without songs and he havent had a song since he left the Stones. Maybe another player would have added even more to albums like Exile, SF, GHS, IORR. We will never know... In fact he stretched out only a very times with the Stones, mostly on rather ridicilous Jagger-ballads, as can be found on GHS & IORR. He´s most prominent on two of the Stones´ most mediocre albums (GHS, IORR), has a spot on CYHMK & Sway and is very inconspicuous on Exile, has two overdubs on LIB. That´s not very much, imo. I dont know how can some people build a legend on that...
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He´s just a player with almost no writing skills. He is lost without songs and he havent had a song since he left the Stones. Maybe another player would have added even more to albums like Exile, SF, GHS, IORR. We will never know... In fact he stretched out only a very times with the Stones, mostly on rather ridicilous Jagger-ballads, as can be found on GHS & IORR. He´s most prominent on two of the Stones´ most mediocre albums (GHS, IORR), has a spot on CYHMK & Sway and is very inconspicuous on Exile, has two overdubs on LIB. That´s not very much, imo. I dont know how can some people build a legend on that...
Why are you holding Taylor to a different standard than brilliant musicians in other bands? Do you criticize Charlie for not being a writer? Most bands are lucky to have one great writer, let alone two. Taylor's role was as a supporting musician supplying color and texture, and he did that brilliantly. To criticize him for not being a writer is like criticizing Willie Mays for not being a pitcher (baseball reference in case you are not a Yank).
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Now he's even bashing GHS and IORR as "two of the Stones most mediocre albums" containing "rather ridiculos Jagger-ballads" (Winter? Time Waits For no One?) - I'm quite speechless. A hopeless case.
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Now he's even bashing GHS and IORR as "two of the Stones most mediocre albums" containing "rather ridiculos Jagger-ballads" (Winter? Time Waits For no One?) - I'm quite speechless. A hopeless case.
I have to admit that I dont like most of the ballads on GHS/IORR.
Till The Next Goodbye, Time Waits For No One, If You Really Want To Be My Friend, Angie, Winter are all bloated, rather unispired, over-long and overproduced to my ears. Sometimes it´s pure schmaltzy kitsch and MJ at times sounds like a caricature.
Its been said that Mick Taylor co-wrote Winter, Till The Next Goodbye and Time Waits For No One, so I refuse to imagine what further schmaltz a Mick/Mick-songwriting-partnership would have produced. Those songs are pointing straight ahead into a very, very wrong direction. GHS and IORR, imo, are the Stones-albums with the smallest amount of great and real outstanding songs, just about two, maybe three killers can be found on those albums, definitely not enough for an enjoyable album. Even very weak Steel Wheels has more killer tracks. So GHS/IORR are indeed mediocre to my ears and at the same time GHS/IORR are remarkably the albums on which Mick Taylor is most prominent as a guitar player. All this makes me often think that Mick Taylor´s influence wasnt good for the Stones.
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He´s just a player with almost no writing skills. He is lost without songs and he havent had a song since he left the Stones. Maybe another player would have added even more to albums like Exile, SF, GHS, IORR. We will never know... In fact he stretched out only a very times with the Stones, mostly on rather ridicilous Jagger-ballads, as can be found on GHS & IORR. He´s most prominent on two of the Stones´ most mediocre albums (GHS, IORR), has a spot on CYHMK & Sway and is very inconspicuous on Exile, has two overdubs on LIB. That´s not very much, imo. I dont know how can some people build a legend on that...
Why are you holding Taylor to a different standard than brilliant musicians in other bands? Do you criticize Charlie for not being a writer? Most bands are lucky to have one great writer, let alone two. Taylor's role was as a supporting musician supplying color and texture, and he did that brilliantly. To criticize him for not being a writer is like criticizing Willie Mays for not being a pitcher (baseball reference in case you are not a Yank).
Tele, I guess due to your long absence you don't know much about HMS's posts and his endless campaigning for Dirty Work being a great album (kind of a HMS trademark!), along with Shine A Light being their best live album while regarding YaYas as "just mediocre" and "boring"... I mean, it's free speech and all that and everybody is entitled to his/her own opinions, but some opinions just seem so odd and so out of frame that I have a hard time not believing that HMS is just a troll.
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Now he's even bashing GHS and IORR as "two of the Stones most mediocre albums" containing "rather ridiculos Jagger-ballads" (Winter? Time Waits For no One?) - I'm quite speechless. A hopeless case.
I have to admit that I dont like most of the ballads on GHS/IORR.
Till The Next Goodbye, Time Waits For No One, If You Really Want To Be My Friend, Angie, Winter are all bloated, rather unispired, over-long and overproduced to my ears. Sometimes it´s pure schmaltzy kitsch and MJ at times sounds like a caricature.
Its been said that Mick Taylor co-wrote Winter, Till The Next Goodbye and Time Waits For No One, so I refuse to imagine what further schmaltz a Mick/Mick-songwriting-partnership would have produced. Those songs are pointing straight ahead into a very, very wrong direction. GHS and IORR, imo, are the Stones-albums with the smallest amount of great and real outstanding songs, just about two, maybe three killers can be found on those albums, definitely not enough for an enjoyable album. Even very weak Steel Wheels has more killer tracks. So GHS/IORR are indeed mediocre to my ears and at the same time GHS/IORR are remarkably the albums on which Mick Taylor is most prominent as a guitar player. All this makes me often think that Mick Taylor´s influence wasnt good for the Stones.
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Well,
Sticky Fingers:
I´ve been told that MT co-wrote Sway & Moonlight Mile. Without any doubt Sway can be seen as a masterpiece in their catalogue, but Moonlight Mile is one of my Stones´ anti-favorites, so strange and totally weird - it is hard for me to sit this one through. Always watching the clock and hoping it will end soon. Honestly I prefer to listen to Gomper.
Exile:
He got credit for Ventilator Blues, which of course is hardly a highlight on Exile, decent at best. I personally would have dropped it (amongst other tracks) in order to create a single LP. As a single LP Exile would have been much better received and could have even been part of their Big Four.
So when I look at the studio-albums Taylor recorded with the Stones, I see this:
His participation on LIB is so minimal that it is almost not worth talking about. Sticky Fingers is a true masterpiece (one clunker - Moonlight Mile - does not bother me when it comes to rating the album). Exile could have been a masterpiece but it isnt for reasons I´ve explained above and in posts before.
Then they made a crash landing with GHS, an album that lacks almost everything: inspiration, crafted songwriting etc. IORR is a little bit better but still very mediocre compared to it´s successor Black & Blue which presents the Stones without Taylor and in great form again for the first time since Exile.
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Well,
Sticky Fingers:
I´ve been told that MT co-wrote Sway & Moonlight Mile. Without any doubt Sway can be seen as a masterpiece in their catalogue, but Moonlight Mile is one of my Stones´ anti-favorites, so strange and totally weird - it is hard for me to sit this one through. Always watching the clock and hoping it will end soon. Honestly I prefer to listen to Gomper.
Exile:
He got credit for Ventilator Blues, which of course is hardly a highlight on Exile, decent at best. I personally would have dropped it (amongst other tracks) in order to create a single LP. As a single LP Exile would have been much better received and could have even been part of their Big Four.
So when I look at the studio-albums Taylor recorded with the Stones, I see this:
His participation on LIB is so minimal that it is almost not worth talking about. Sticky Fingers is a true masterpiece (one clunker - Moonlight Mile - does not bother me when it comes to rating the album). Exile could have been a masterpiece but it isnt for reasons I´ve explained above and in posts before.
Then they made a crash landing with GHS, an album that lacks almost everything: inspiration, crafted songwriting etc. IORR is a little bit better but still very mediocre compared to it´s successor Black & Blue which presents the Stones without Taylor and in great form again for the first time since Exile.
You do know there are ballads on Black & Blue?
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He has every right, I suppose, but HMS's opinions generally make my teeth grit.
I keep thinking of Keith reading through some of HMS's opinions and what he would likely say and do. And it wouldn't be pretty.
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He has every right, I suppose, but HMS's opinions generally make my teeth grit.
I keep thinking of Keith reading through some of HMS's opinions and what he would likely say and do. And it wouldn't be pretty.
Exile was Keith's masterpiece.
Mick didn't like it.
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Exile was Keith's masterpiece.
Mick didn't like it.
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He has every right, I suppose, but HMS's opinions generally make my teeth grit.
I keep thinking of Keith reading through some of HMS's opinions and what he would likely say and do. And it wouldn't be pretty.
Exile was Keith's masterpiece.
Mick didn't like it.
He wasn't happy with the mix. You'll never find a quote where Mick says he didn't like Exile.
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He has every right, I suppose, but HMS's opinions generally make my teeth grit.
I keep thinking of Keith reading through some of HMS's opinions and what he would likely say and do. And it wouldn't be pretty.
Exile was Keith's masterpiece.
Mick didn't like it.
He wasn't happy with the mix. You'll never find a quote where Mick says he didn't like Exile.
Then, that it is not one of the best....
"Exile On Main Street is not one of my favourite albums, although I think the record does have a particular feeling. I'm not too sure how great the songs are, but put together it's a nice piece. However, when I listen to Exile it has some of the worst mixes I've ever heard. I'd love to remix the record, not just because of the vocals, but because generally I think it sounds lousy... Of course I'm ultimately responsible for it, but it's really not good and there's no concerted effort or intention... As long as people like the album, that's fine. It's just that I don't particularly think it's a great album.
-Mick Jagger, 2003
But he has also mentioned good things about it.
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Yes I do.
Fool To Cry is indeed a clunker as big as a skyscraper, it´s awful bad. The other ballad, Memory Motel, is a true gem and so much better than all of the ballads on GHS/IORR. I dont say Black & Blue is that great because there´s finally no Taylor involved. But it shows that the Stones didnt need Taylor to create great albums (and Black & Blue is a truly great album). Both GHS/IORR on the other hand show that the presence of Taylor is no garantee for making great albums.
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Well,
Sticky Fingers:
I´ve been told that MT co-wrote Sway & Moonlight Mile. Without any doubt Sway can be seen as a masterpiece in their catalogue, but Moonlight Mile is one of my Stones´ anti-favorites, so strange and totally weird - it is hard for me to sit this one through. Always watching the clock and hoping it will end soon. Honestly I prefer to listen to Gomper.
Exile:
He got credit for Ventilator Blues, which of course is hardly a highlight on Exile, decent at best. I personally would have dropped it (amongst other tracks) in order to create a single LP. As a single LP Exile would have been much better received and could have even been part of their Big Four.
So when I look at the studio-albums Taylor recorded with the Stones, I see this:
His participation on LIB is so minimal that it is almost not worth talking about. Sticky Fingers is a true masterpiece (one clunker - Moonlight Mile - does not bother me when it comes to rating the album). Exile could have been a masterpiece but it isnt for reasons I´ve explained above and in posts before.
Then they made a crash landing with GHS, an album that lacks almost everything: inspiration, crafted songwriting etc. IORR is a little bit better but still very mediocre compared to it´s successor Black & Blue which presents the Stones without Taylor and in great form again for the first time since Exile.
You do know there are ballads on Black & Blue?
"As a single LP Exile would have been much better received and could have even been part of their Big Four."
It is part of big four: BB, LIB, SF and EOMS.
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"Exile On Main Street is not one of my favourite albums [...] It's just that I don't particularly think it's a great album.
-Mick Jagger, 2003
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I have always considered EOMS more of a live album than a studio album. That's how I listen to it.
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"Exile On Main Street is not one of my favourite albums [...] It's just that I don't particularly think it's a great album.
-Mick Jagger, 2003
I fully agree.
Exile isnt part of the Big Four, it just isnt.
I´ve always said that and will keep on saying that no matter how unpopular that opinion might be amongst fans.
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"Exile On Main Street is not one of my favourite albums [...] It's just that I don't particularly think it's a great album.
-Mick Jagger, 2003
I fully agree.
Exile isnt part of the Big Four, it just isnt.
I´ve always said that and will keep on saying that no matter how unpopular that opinion might be amongst fans.