Can anyone give me some examples of songs which show Slash's creativity?
(I've already tried so many times, this guy is a mystery to my ears)

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Can anyone give me some examples of songs which show Slash's creativity?
(I've already tried so many times, this guy is a mystery to my ears)

If you've heard his famous songs and they do nothing for you then I don't think there's showing you anything else. He might just not be your kind of player.

But seriously, November Rain is as recognizable as a solo as they come. Sweet Child O Mine, as overplayed of a song as it is, is an expertly crafted guitar solo. Nightrain, Welcome To The Jungle, Bad Obsession, Civil War, Estranged all have recognizable, memorable, and creative playing. Patience if you want to see his acoustic playing. I could go deeper, but like I said if you don't like those then I see the point in going further. Slash's creativity, to me, comes in the way of creating songs that have lived on from a band that lasted all of 5 years. In fact, if you wanna get deeper, listen to his first solo album Slash. That stuff isn't overplayed like his GNR work, and its him doing essentially a different genre on each track. And not to overpraise him, but he succeeds in completely adapting to it (acoustic spanish guitar, Avenged Sevenfold heavy guitars) while still being unmistakably Slash. Again, to me, thats creative.

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His baby on Use Your Illusion. But again, if you are already a fan of his playing I don't know if thats the thing that'll convince you. Took me years of already being a GNR fan to come around to that track.

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His baby on Use Your Illusion. But again, if you are already a fan of his playing I don't know if thats the thing that'll convince you. Took me years of already being a GNR fan to come around to that track.

I've always been a big fan of his solos on Estranged. The lead vocalist even complimented them in the liner notes. If I remember correctly.

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Man I hate shredding like most of you, I just don't get why people think that Slash is the "anti guitar-w-anker".
Guns N'Roses, with the goat/show-off Axl Rose, sum up the worst of the 80's. Slash is boring as HELL. If anything the ultimate anti guitar-wa-nker of the era would be Johnny Marr.

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The thought of Mick seriously considering to replace Keith with another junkie is ridiculous.

Possible that Mick didn't know this man was a junkie, I doubt people advertise this stuff, and also possible that he was only thinking it would be necessary until a sober Keith emerged from Wormwood Scrubs with a boatload of new songs and a desire to work hard again. It certainly would have secured Mick'srole as leader of the band, possibly without all the WW3 drama that eventually happened.

All speculation of course but, in 1973, I think the possibility of Keith going down and the probability of Mick replacing him with somebody were greater than we'd care to admit. Thankfully, neither thing happened.

Hell Taylor could have taken on the Brian/Keith role as the wasted, irresponsible member of the Stones...like Keith did when Brian was fired. It almost seemed someone was always destined to fall into this unfortunate position in the Stones, Taylor could have taken up with Anita and and.....geez, my imagination is getting away from me now.

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The thought of Mick seriously considering to replace Keith with another junkie is ridiculous.

Possible that Mick didn't know this man was a junkie, I doubt people advertise this stuff, and also possible that he was only thinking it would be necessary until a sober Keith emerged from Wormwood Scrubs with a boatload of new songs and a desire to work hard again. It certainly would have secured Mick'srole as leader of the band, possibly without all the WW3 drama that eventually happened.

All speculation of course but, in 1973, I think the possibility of Keith going down and the probability of Mick replacing him with somebody were greater than we'd care to admit. Thankfully, neither thing happened.

Hell Taylor could have taken on the Brian/Keith role as the wasted, irresponsible member of the Stones...like Keith did when Brian was fired. It almost seemed someone was always destined to fall into this unfortunate position in the Stones, Taylor could have taken up with Anita and and.....geez, my imagination is getting away from me now.

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In 1973 it would be difficult to find a suitable replacement that wasn't a junkie...Clapton, Page, Roy Buchannon et et et.. They were all in the same club. Went with the times, Jagger himself was no angel so I doubt a piss test would be part of the audition..

this narrative that has emerged of keith richards as this sort of marginalized junkie after 72 is not only untrue it's ridiculous.

i happen to have been as much of a fan in 73 as i am now.back then,instead of going on the internet you read magazine articles.and the writers didnt do 5 minute interviews by phone and ask prearranged questions,they flew to where the band was,hung out with them for awhile and wrote about it.
and i read everything-crawdaddy,rolling stone,cream,new musical express,hit parader,you name it.alot of times these guys would be in the studio with the band and i can tell you from the first hand accounts,keith richards ran those recording sessions.period.

he would sit with his guitar and just jam for hours and hours.as bill wyman later said "we would just hang out sometimes,go have a smoke or whatever while keith messed with his guitar."
and i'm talking about goats head,iorr,black and blue,some girls,it didnt matter.when he was onto something the band would join him with mick sort of mumble-scat singing half written lyrics over keith playing with the band following along.
this is how the songs were created,like an artist slowly molding something from clay.and not just the ones we ended up with on the records but many others that we have heard from bootlegs and hours and hours of jams we may never hear.

most of you have heard about mick taylor telling jagger he was leaving at robert stigwoods party.jagger was shell-shocked telling ron wood "i dont know what to do,can you maybe help out" think of the long process of replacing mick taylor-months of auditions and wondering what to do.

now imagine that being keith-the band would've stopped dead in its tracks.
the idea of calling in a session player and just just moving on without him -no,just forget it. mick jagger has never had a thought go though his head anywhere near that level of stupid -

even after ww3 and as mad as they were at each other mick never considered a wood-taylor-wyman-watts line-up he had to work with keith again no matter what.jaggers not a dummy,he knows what we know-without keith richards there is no rolling stones.it is that way today and it was that way in 1973.

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now imagine that being keith-the band would've stopped dead in its tracks.
the idea of calling in a session player and just just moving on without him -no,just forget it. mick jagger has never had a thought go though his head anywhere near that level of stupid -

Jagger could have used JED just for the 73 tour... then goodbye and good luck.
And I still wonder why/how JED ended jamming with the Stones onstage in L.A. in 75.
Was it just coincidence or Jagger "assessing" Davis just in case he needed him one day? I mean L.A. was choke-full of "hot" lead guitarists and they picked JED?

>Was it just coincidence or Jagger "assessing" Davis just in case he needed him one day? I mean L.A. was choke-full of "hot" lead guitarists and they picked JED?


Maybe they first connected at the RNR CIRCUS shoot? Also didn't he play on "Too Many Cooks"?

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this narrative that has emerged of keith richards as this sort of marginalized junkie after 72 is not only untrue it's ridiculous.

i happen to have been as much of a fan in 73 as i am now.back then,instead of going on the internet you read magazine articles.and the writers didnt do 5 minute interviews by phone and ask prearranged questions,they flew to where the band was,hung out with them for awhile and wrote about it.
and i read everything-crawdaddy,rolling stone,cream,new musical express,hit parader,you name it.alot of times these guys would be in the studio with the band and i can tell you from the first hand accounts,keith richards ran those recording sessions.period.

he would sit with his guitar and just jam for hours and hours.as bill wyman later said "we would just hang out sometimes,go have a smoke or whatever while keith messed with his guitar."
and i'm talking about goats head,iorr,black and blue,some girls,it didnt matter.when he was onto something the band would join him with mick sort of mumble-scat singing half written lyrics over keith playing with the band following along.
this is how the songs were created,like an artist slowly molding something from clay.and not just the ones we ended up with on the records but many others that we have heard from bootlegs and hours and hours of jams we may never hear.

most of you have heard about mick taylor telling jagger he was leaving at robert stigwoods party.jagger was shell-shocked telling ron wood "i dont know what to do,can you maybe help out" think of the long process of replacing mick taylor-months of auditions and wondering what to do.

now imagine that being keith-the band would've stopped dead in its tracks.
the idea of calling in a session player and just just moving on without him -no,just forget it. mick jagger has never had a thought go though his head anywhere near that level of stupid -

even after ww3 and as mad as they were at each other mick never considered a wood-taylor-wyman-watts line-up he had to work with keith again no matter what.jaggers not a dummy,he knows what we know-without keith richards there is no rolling stones.it is that way today and it was that way in 1973.

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Lem, I guess you are assuming that call to Taylor from Mick in 1977 never happened? I think MT was pretty clear it did, can't make something like that up and MT isn't known for exaggeration. He seemed to shut up pretty quickly after he let it slip and I tend to believe him that the conversation took place.

I agree about Keith, he always kept the music near the top of his priority list and he was definitely the de-facto musical leader of the Stones but obviously if he was in jail, that wouldn't be the case. Jagger was likely just keeping his options open. It certainly wouldn't be fair to him to have his investment in the Stones taken away by Keith's carelessness and drug busts and while I may not believe a Keith-less Stones would have been great, I don't blame Mick for entertaining the idea in 1973 and 1977.

Obviously the idea of the Rolling Stones without Keith today is ludicrous. Even 40 years ago it seems ludicrous (Taylor even thought so)... unless you are Mick Jagger.

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the 1977 toronto bust keith was facing life in prison and the band had indeed stopped in its tracks.

talking to an ex-stone in case the worst happened is not calling in a session guy and moving on.i just dont understand how anyone cannot see the huge difference in these two situations,guess ya had to be there.

<Mick Taylor isn't known for exaggeration>

"I wrote all the ballads in the Stones".

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<Mick Taylor isn't known for exaggeration>

"I wrote all the ballads in the Stones".

Nuff said

Source? I'd like to have some context before I go into shock over that statement. Thanks.

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this narrative that has emerged of keith richards as this sort of marginalized junkie after 72 is not only untrue it's ridiculous. It was real ugly even in the 80's. Not glamorous, blood sprayed everywhere. As a young gopher my job was to repaint the bathroom but I kept the bits on the ceiling since no one could imagine what it was, Yes he could be productive and produce music like that but there would be days of downtime. I write this because heroin is back in style these days but no one should be fooled, it's a dirty, horrible way of living.



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wtf D&G? Are you quoting someone or talking from personal experience?

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Jagger did the responsible thing by making contingency plans in
case Keith went to prison or worse. In the absence of such plans, It would have been very difficult for the band to plan anything but short term. Possibly
there were some contracts in place which would have penalized the stones if
they were not able to fulfill. Keith is not the only member who would have suffered.

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wtf D&G? Are you quoting someone or talking from personal experience?

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I was a kid working at a studio during a John Philips/KR project.

Jesse Ed was like the second string Ry Cooder, coming out of playing with Taj Mahal's band. The Faces used him on tour. Obviously Mick wasn't going to call Cooder. Of course he couldn't have replaced Keith.

D&G, I don't think anyone was saying KR wasn't a hard core junkie. Just that he continued to be the musical pulse and font of the Rolling Stones even when he was so. Of course he wasn't as continuously productive, but he was not marginalized. Of course, before his addiction, he was the unquestioned musical director (ALO: "Keith made the records.") The only replacement for Keith in this role wasn't a guitarist, but Mick Jagger. And if Keith says he took Ry a coder for everything he could, Mick Jagger has (consentually) Keith Richards for everything he could.

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the 1977 toronto bust keith was facing life in prison and the band had indeed stopped in its tracks.

talking to an ex-stone in case the worst happened is not calling in a session guy and moving on.i just dont understand how anyone cannot see the huge difference in these two situations,guess ya had to be there.

Not life. Seven years. But that would amount to a lifetime, career wise, back then.

Making a big deal about John's tale regarding JED is misunderstanding Mick's personality. He bounces ideas at people regularly and can be whimsical.

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wtf D&G? Are you quoting someone or talking from personal experience?

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I was a kid working at a studio during a John Philips/KR project.

Sounds traumatic man, amazing you stayed in the business after that stuff. I've read John Phillips book, quite shocking. In fact I got the book from John himself, he sold it to me out of the trunk of his car in Santa Monica one day.

But I thought those sessions ended in 1979 and you mention the 80's so maybe you are getting your decades mixed up or perhaps there were sessions we don't know about besides the stuff eventually released as Pay Pack and Follow?

Not really important but it was pretty clear Keith wasn't the good boy he claimed to become after his 1977 legal troubles. I found it very hard to believe when Keith actually (and very adamantly) claimed to be straight during those sessions in his Life book. John's book, the pictures from the sessions and your story and others tend to paint a very different picture.

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wtf D&G? Are you quoting someone or talking from personal experience?

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I was a kid working at a studio during a John Philips/KR project.

Sounds traumatic man, amazing you stayed in the business after that stuff. I've read John Phillips book, quite shocking. In fact I got the book from John himself, he sold it to me out of the trunk of his car in Santa Monica one day.

But I thought those sessions ended in 1979 and you mention the 80's so maybe you are getting your decades mixed up or perhaps there were sessions we don't know about besides the stuff eventually released as Pay Pack and Follow?

Not really important but it was pretty clear Keith wasn't the good boy he claimed to become after his 1977 legal troubles. I found it very hard to believe when Keith actually (and very adamantly) claimed to be straight during those sessions in his Life book. John's book, the pictures from the sessions and your story and others tend to paint a very different picture.

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Well that was my first experience, Keith was around all the time in the 80's in NYC... The worst rock star thing I ever saw did not involve a Stone but another world renown musician... His handler shot speed into the whites of the his eyes, he made his TV appearance but wore sunglasses. And yes this guitarist is still around touring today...THis is what went on behind the scenes in the 80's, likely why so many of those records from classic rockers are lousy. By the time I left the studio biz in the early 90's I was a serious coke abuser myself, quitting was not really difficult once I made up my mind to stop. I did my share of that merc stuff, it was smooth but not anything that different from the other crap. Tito Puente, that was the session for the best party!!!!!



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Haven't you read that interview, NL?

[www.guitarworld.com]

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<Mick Taylor isn't known for exaggeration>

"I wrote all the ballads in the Stones".

Nuff said

Source? I'd like to have some context before I go into shock over that statement. Thanks.

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the 1977 toronto bust keith was facing life in prison and the band had indeed stopped in its tracks.

talking to an ex-stone in case the worst happened is not calling in a session guy and moving on.i just dont understand how anyone cannot see the huge difference in these two situations,guess ya had to be there.

Not life. Seven years. But that would amount to a lifetime, career wise, back then.

i think it was 7 years after they dropped the trafficing charge-i could be wrong because i'm just remembering it rather than looking it up.

i was still hanging with my original group of stonesheads back then and we had white knuckles believe me.anytime someone brought it up it was just dread.

what i do remember clearly was jagger was living in new york then and he was doing a full court press for keith.i know he showed up in court at least once and the media went nuts.
he was pulling strings with his connections in the media too.they did a people magazine cover together that called keith "jaggers genius partner" keith was suddenly showing up all over in a very sympathetic light.
it was a devasting situation and wasnt anything the fans or the band were taking lightly.i think i even remember bill helping out and getting keith drugs so he could lay low. although that seems crazy-come to think of it,did that bill thing really happen?

Thanks Dandie, now I can be a bit shocked. It sure seems a strange statement especially in light of the seemingly other somewhat benign and accurate information in that interview. I'm going to assume it was taken out of context and that he meant "I wrote the lead parts on the ballads" or something like that because otherwise it absolutely makes no sense.

Anyway, I was always more of a Guitar Player mag reader than a Guitar World guy. But thanks again for the link, I hadn't read that interview.

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Thanks Dandie, now I can be a bit shocked. It sure seems a strange statement especially in light of the seemingly other somewhat benign and accurate information in that interview. I'm going to assume it was taken out of context and that he meant "I wrote the lead parts on the ballads" or something like that because otherwise it absolutely makes no sense.

Anyway, I was always more of a Guitar Player mag reader than a Guitar World guy. But thanks again for the link, I hadn't read that interview.

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Yes I've seen that "Ballads" remark quoted in the past - probably on this board.
As you say the remark makes no sense so either it is out of context or misquoted.
John Philips sure hit bottom. Too bad as he was such a great talent. Some of the
personal life stories are stomach turning though.