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Oh FFS, for the umpteenth time:

1) Taylor/his people didn't post on FB about this once, they did it many times over the course of several weeks. The story behind the 'fan page' has been explained many times here. It is a legit source, Taylor's girlfriend is the page's admin.
2) It's not just Chacal's posts on IORR. Multiple posters on three of the four major Stones boards - here, StonesDoug's board and Keno's Gasland - who claim connections to the band have been saying the same thing about Taylor being dropped for several weeks now. The details vary, but all agree that he's out.
3) Every single tour announcement since 2012 specifically mentioned that MT would be appearing as a special guest, yesterday's doesn't mention him at all, and one of the radio stations broadcasting the Mick/Keith interview explicitly said he wouldn't be appearing.

All the above has been exhaustively discussed here for ages now. If you can't be bothered to look into these things yourself using the self-explanatory IORR search bar, don't call those of us who can 'naysayers' and 'know it alls'.

1. The only thing from that FB I've seen here is that one sentence statement about being uninvited. If many statement over the course of several weeks happened, please feel free to share them. I couldn't find them.

2. Posters on all those boards often get a hold of a single piece of rumored information and share it like it's new. The legal term for all that information is hearsay, and there is a good reason it's not accepted as testimony for proving a case.

3. This is just not true. Although Jagger mentioned "maybe a few friends joining us", Taylor was not specifically mentioned in all these tour announcements.

I'm not insinuating Taylor will be included this tour, my guess is he is indeed out, but I do think the sources for factual information on it are a bit thin, almost all hearsay and repeated hearsay, so take it as that.

I'm hoping he will at least be included in the LA Sticky Fingers show that Bjornulf says will occur. That would be sweet, exciting and respectful to the Taylor fans and MT himself. Probably the most we can hooe for at this point.

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Mick Taylor is the only one who can save the Rolling Stones.

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FYI, Naturalust, my post was directed at the 'where's your proof' guy, not you (as I'm sure you recognised).

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FYI, Naturalust, my post was directed at the 'where's your proof' guy, not you (as I'm sure you recognised).

No worries Stoneburst, I wasn't trying being defensive, just trying to sort through all the information and find something definite. Still curious about the many FB posts since I couldn't find them, thanks.

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Wow Doxa... My self imposed exile not withstanding I returned to applaud you. I've seen some interesting stuff here, for example Green Lady mentioning she'll miss Bobby Keys more. That's a no brainer, Bobby played on more songs in 2014 and for me his sound is one with The Rolling Stones. His passing was a sad, sad day and their concerts can never be what they once were. We were very fortunate that Bobby chose to perform in his final days. A great gift from an amazing character. I really believed the band would offer Taylor this tour, not only as Bobby's replacement for some legitimate Stones' solos but as a replacement for our souls and the soul of the band. Each time the cast thins out we get further from the heart of their sound. Maybe this doesn't matter much for a stadiums but without Bobby and Taylor the chance of hearing a mind blowing solo from a real Rolling Stone is greatly diminished. This being April 1st I found this posting buried on Mick Taylor's FBK page, perhaps there is some hope for some fancy guitar playing...
The Rolling Stones have announced their "Zipper" tour this summer for a Sticky Fingers' tribute. While it is true that Mick Taylor will not be appearing on stage he will be performing the album tribute from under the stage. "This way we can have the best of both worlds." say Jagger. "Taylor is too fat to be on stage as a Rolling Stone so instead we have slender Ron Wood running the walkways while Taylor can add his velvet tones without his blubber destroying our visuals." Taylor who was found homeless by Keith Richards after The Stones wrapped up his royalties in litigation for 40 years is thrilled at the chance to tour once again. "I'll pack my bloody pockets with backstage sandwiches, grab some booze and make myself comfortable right below Charlie. I can play their stuff better than them with one hand on the buffet."

That's how reliable that FB site is. Shame on that person.

Shame on April fool's day...

One thing is April's fool, another thing is to be mean saying "fat Taylor" is not fit to be on stage.....

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FYI, Naturalust, my post was directed at the 'where's your proof' guy, not you (as I'm sure you recognised).

No worries Stoneburst, I wasn't trying being defensive, just trying to sort through all the information and find something definite. Still curious about the many FB posts since I couldn't find them, thanks.

peace

Comments on posts from February 12th and 23rd, I think, also a couple from his main squeeze to the same effect here and there

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How many more times can anyone be thrilled at hearing him play Midnight Rambler? The first time was great but..........

At least he changes it up with some improvisation...If you're thrilled at hearing JJF, Brown Sugar and HTW for the 1000th time played pretty much the same way, hearing Midnight Rambler with Taylor a few times more should really excite you. Besides most folks wanted to see Taylor on more tunes, if Rambler was/is all they are going to give him I'm still thrilled.

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Mick Taylor is the only one who can save the Rolling Stones.

LOL, the Stones don't need Mick Taylor......the last outting more than proved that.

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+10 with the comments about Taylor bringing a bit of "adventure" to the show for 2+ years, they all enjoyed it, Jagger included, why he "limited" it is anyone's guess, now he's canned it. Maybe it was too painful to relive his youth? Most people would be happy with that but one thing we keep forgetting (his fault!) is that the guy is nearly 72...at that age you tend to play it safe and like something that's predictable especially when you have to handle crowds of 60000+ ! Sam Cutler not only shared Taylor's happiness at being back he also let us in on what Mick needed to do to prepare for the show, a real "marathon", show after show.

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Wow Doxa... My self imposed exile not withstanding I returned to applaud you. I've seen some interesting stuff here, for example Green Lady mentioning she'll miss Bobby Keys more. That's a no brainer, Bobby played on more songs in 2014 and for me his sound is one with The Rolling Stones. His passing was a sad, sad day and their concerts can never be what they once were. We were very fortunate that Bobby chose to perform in his final days. A great gift from an amazing character. I really believed the band would offer Taylor this tour, not only as Bobby's replacement for some legitimate Stones' solos but as a replacement for our souls and the soul of the band. Each time the cast thins out we get further from the heart of their sound. Maybe this doesn't matter much for a stadiums but without Bobby and Taylor the chance of hearing a mind blowing solo from a real Rolling Stone is greatly diminished. This being April 1st I found this posting buried on Mick Taylor's FBK page, perhaps there is some hope for some fancy guitar playing...
The Rolling Stones have announced their "Zipper" tour this summer for a Sticky Fingers' tribute. While it is true that Mick Taylor will not be appearing on stage he will be performing the album tribute from under the stage. "This way we can have the best of both worlds." say Jagger. "Taylor is too fat to be on stage as a Rolling Stone so instead we have slender Ron Wood running the walkways while Taylor can add his velvet tones without his blubber destroying our visuals." Taylor who was found homeless by Keith Richards after The Stones wrapped up his royalties in litigation for 40 years is thrilled at the chance to tour once again. "I'll pack my bloody pockets with backstage sandwiches, grab some booze and make myself comfortable right below Charlie. I can play their stuff better than them with one hand on the buffet."

That's how reliable that FB site is. Shame on that person.

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"Vix Mix", the OP (and his slanderous post) have been taken care of... does that make the page a bit more reliable now mtaylor?

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Wow Doxa... My self imposed exile not withstanding I returned to applaud you. I've seen some interesting stuff here, for example Green Lady mentioning she'll miss Bobby Keys more. That's a no brainer, Bobby played on more songs in 2014 and for me his sound is one with The Rolling Stones. His passing was a sad, sad day and their concerts can never be what they once were. We were very fortunate that Bobby chose to perform in his final days. A great gift from an amazing character. I really believed the band would offer Taylor this tour, not only as Bobby's replacement for some legitimate Stones' solos but as a replacement for our souls and the soul of the band. Each time the cast thins out we get further from the heart of their sound. Maybe this doesn't matter much for a stadiums but without Bobby and Taylor the chance of hearing a mind blowing solo from a real Rolling Stone is greatly diminished. This being April 1st I found this posting buried on Mick Taylor's FBK page, perhaps there is some hope for some fancy guitar playing...
The Rolling Stones have announced their "Zipper" tour this summer for a Sticky Fingers' tribute. While it is true that Mick Taylor will not be appearing on stage he will be performing the album tribute from under the stage. "This way we can have the best of both worlds." say Jagger. "Taylor is too fat to be on stage as a Rolling Stone so instead we have slender Ron Wood running the walkways while Taylor can add his velvet tones without his blubber destroying our visuals." Taylor who was found homeless by Keith Richards after The Stones wrapped up his royalties in litigation for 40 years is thrilled at the chance to tour once again. "I'll pack my bloody pockets with backstage sandwiches, grab some booze and make myself comfortable right below Charlie. I can play their stuff better than them with one hand on the buffet."

That's how reliable that FB site is. Shame on that person.

"Vix Mix", the OP (and his slanderous post) have been taken care of... does that make the page a bit more reliable now mtaylor?

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Ronnie was alright, even great back in the 70's and early 80's, but the thing is the thinnss of his legacy with the Stones that just makes Taylor's significance to shine more and more. If he had an ability to real make the difference we won't be so much missing Taylor.

Another thing that has worried me a bit lately. For anyone who likes guitar-based rock and roll the last decades of the Rolling Stones have been a real downgrade. It seems to me that people have accepted the fact that mediocre, even lousy guitar playing is alright. The Stones fans seem to have the lowest possible criterion for a good guitar work. They are very easy to be pleased. Probably that is something like being 'loyal' or something: that is what we get, and we need to accept that. So let that be the norm. And soon whatever Keith or Ronnie are able to come up with, it is "great". No other 'guitar heroes' in this world get so much free passes as our two heroes.

There was another thread in which some claimed that Wood's solos in "Can't You Hear Me KNocking?" in 2003 was better than Taylor's latest efforts. To me that sort of claim marks a sad state of affairs: the whole idea what a great guitar solo is all about is a long ago vanished from Stones' fans memory. What Woodie did back in 2003 was alright, even good, but anything any damn solo guitarist in this world could have done half-sleep. I mean, that is not any rocket science, if we take Rolling Stones fan boy/girl glasses off for a while. But for Woody, it actually was rather expectionally good... a reality check... It could be that when a player like Taylor appears and do something else than stating the obvious, people don't know what to think about it... Keith and Ronnie are good entertainers and showmen, but as guitarists they've been more or less a laughing stock for the last two decades outside the adoring Rolling Stones fan circles. Since Keith if Keef, having more reputation than any rock guitarist ever, he gets a free pass, but Ronnie is just another Stones guitarist, Keith's funny poor little brother, who looks like a rock star.

Having Taylor onboard for a while was the greatest thing that happened to the Stones in guitar department. Surely he wasn't as pheomenal and fluidy he used to be, but still his musicality - and skills - gave them substance that has been lacking for decades. Sad that it ended too soon (and was not used properly while it lasted). Now we are back in the predictable: the adventure in music consist of hoping that Keith is still able hit the riffs of startmeups and brownsugars somehow alright and Ronnie is not hitting the bottle and keeps his act as safe and sure as he have been doing for yaers. Surely the avaeragejoes and 'loyal' superfans are going to have the time of their lives (Jagger, with Chuck, takes care of that), but some of us still have this old unfashionable romantic idea that it is the music that matters, and that has something to do with guitars, and the Stones still could somehow challange us and themselves in that department... The little cameo of Taylor gave us a wrong signal...

- Doxa

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Ronnie was alright, even great back in the 70's and early 80's, but the thing is the thinnss of his legacy with the Stones that just makes Taylor's significance to shine more and more. If he had an ability to real make the difference we won't be so much missing Taylor.

Another thing that has worried me a bit lately. For anyone who likes guitar-based rock and roll the last decades of the Rolling Stones have been a real downgrade. It seems to me that people have accepted the fact that mediocre, even lousy guitar playing is alright. The Stones fans seem to have the lowest possible criterion for a good guitar work. They are very easy to be pleased. Probably that is something like being 'loyal' or something: that is what we get, and we need to accept that. So let that be the norm. And soon whatever Keith or Ronnie are able to come up with, it is "great". No other 'guitar heroes' in this world get so much free passes as our two heroes.

There was another thread in which some claimed that Wood's solos in "Can't You Hear Me KNocking?" in 2003 was better than Taylor's latest efforts. To me that sort of claim marks a sad state of affairs: the whole idea what a great guitar solo is all about is a long ago vanished from Stones' fans memory. What Woodie did back in 2003 was alright, even good, but anything any damn solo guitarist in this world could have done half-sleep. I mean, that is not any rocket science, if we take Rolling Stones fan boy/girl glasses off for a while. But for Woody, it actually was rather expectionally good... a reality check... It could be that when a player like Taylor appears and do something else than stating the obvious, people don't know what to think about it... Keith and Ronnie are good entertainers and showmen, but as guitarists they've been more or less a laughing stock for the last two decades outside the adoring Rolling Stones fan circles. Since Keith if Keef, having more reputation than any rock guitarist ever, he gets a free pass, but Ronnie is just another Stones guitarist, Keith's funny poor little brother, who looks like a rock star.

Having Taylor onboard for a while was the greatest thing that happened to the Stones in guitar department. Surely he wasn't as pheomenal and fluidy he used to be, but still his musicality - and skills - gave them substance that has been lacking for decades. Sad that it ended too soon (and was not used properly while it lasted). Now we are back in the predictable: the adventure in music consist of hoping that Keith is still able hit the riffs of startmeups and brownsugars somehow alright and Ronnie is not hitting the bottle and keeps his act as safe and sure as he have been doing for yaers. Surely the avaeragejoes and 'loyal' superfans are going to have the time of their lives (Jagger, with Chuck, takes care of that), but some of us still have this old unfashionable romantic idea that it is the music that matters, and that has something to do with guitars, and the Stones still could somehow challange us and themselves in that department... The little cameo of Taylor gave us a wrong signal...

- Doxa

NO, NO, NO!!!



What you wrote above is so plain wrong that I won't even try to argue to the contrary. I hope one day you will see the light!!!

To set the record straight, the only hard fact of these discussions is that there are people - me for example - that actually will always prefer a stoned 1998 Ronnie to a 73 Taylor.

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Because a stoned 1998 Ronnie simply looks better or what?

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I'll be off, then. Doesn't seem like I've anything more to contribute to IORR, and I don't like repeating myself or getting on people's nerves (and, as StonesCat said, there's not much left here except a fridge full of kool-aid). Big hug to Dandie, Kleermaker, Tele, Doxa, D&G etc - it was fun talking to you guys, and I learned a lot.

Enjoy the tour, everyone.

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Ronnie was alright, even great back in the 70's and early 80's, but the thing is the thinnss of his legacy with the Stones that just makes Taylor's significance to shine more and more. If he had an ability to real make the difference we won't be so much missing Taylor.

Another thing that has worried me a bit lately. For anyone who likes guitar-based rock and roll the last decades of the Rolling Stones have been a real downgrade. It seems to me that people have accepted the fact that mediocre, even lousy guitar playing is alright. The Stones fans seem to have the lowest possible criterion for a good guitar work. They are very easy to be pleased. Probably that is something like being 'loyal' or something: that is what we get, and we need to accept that. So let that be the norm. And soon whatever Keith or Ronnie are able to come up with, it is "great". No other 'guitar heroes' in this world get so much free passes as our two heroes.

There was another thread in which some claimed that Wood's solos in "Can't You Hear Me KNocking?" in 2003 was better than Taylor's latest efforts. To me that sort of claim marks a sad state of affairs: the whole idea what a great guitar solo is all about is a long ago vanished from Stones' fans memory. What Woodie did back in 2003 was alright, even good, but anything any damn solo guitarist in this world could have done half-sleep. I mean, that is not any rocket science, if we take Rolling Stones fan boy/girl glasses off for a while. But for Woody, it actually was rather expectionally good... a reality check... It could be that when a player like Taylor appears and do something else than stating the obvious, people don't know what to think about it... Keith and Ronnie are good entertainers and showmen, but as guitarists they've been more or less a laughing stock for the last two decades outside the adoring Rolling Stones fan circles. Since Keith if Keef, having more reputation than any rock guitarist ever, he gets a free pass, but Ronnie is just another Stones guitarist, Keith's funny poor little brother, who looks like a rock star.

Having Taylor onboard for a while was the greatest thing that happened to the Stones in guitar department. Surely he wasn't as pheomenal and fluidy he used to be, but still his musicality - and skills - gave them substance that has been lacking for decades. Sad that it ended too soon (and was not used properly while it lasted). Now we are back in the predictable: the adventure in music consist of hoping that Keith is still able hit the riffs of startmeups and brownsugars somehow alright and Ronnie is not hitting the bottle and keeps his act as safe and sure as he have been doing for yaers. Surely the avaeragejoes and 'loyal' superfans are going to have the time of their lives (Jagger, with Chuck, takes care of that), but some of us still have this old unfashionable romantic idea that it is the music that matters, and that has something to do with guitars, and the Stones still could somehow challange us and themselves in that department... The little cameo of Taylor gave us a wrong signal...

- Doxa

NO, NO, NO!!!



What you wrote above is so plain wrong that I won't even try to argue to the contrary. I hope one day you will see the light!!!

To set the record straight, the only hard fact of these discussions is that there are people - me for example - that actually will always prefer a stoned 1998 Ronnie to a 73 Taylor.

C

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Man, the Stones ceased to exist end 1974. You're hailing the wrong band.