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+1. Obviously they *can* play the stuff without Taylor, it just doesn't sound very good when they do. I'll give them a pass on Brown Sugar and Bitch, to which Ronnie and Keith (respectively) still play some good stuff. The rest of the songs, no.
What's wrong with WH and DF?
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Played with: Self-evident.
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+1. Obviously they *can* play the stuff without Taylor, it just doesn't sound very good when they do. I'll give them a pass on Brown Sugar and Bitch, to which Ronnie and Keith (respectively) still play some good stuff. The rest of the songs, no.
What's wrong with WH and DF?
Nothing, except Taylor was on the records, and Taylor was better live. Same with ADTL, Happy, Rip This Joint, Brown Sugar, Bitch, Angie, and a dozen others.
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Played with: Self-evident.
Played well with: Not so much.
+1. Obviously they *can* play the stuff without Taylor, it just doesn't sound very good when they do. I'll give them a pass on Brown Sugar and Bitch, to which Ronnie and Keith (respectively) still play some good stuff. The rest of the songs, no.
What's wrong with WH and DF?
Nothing, except Taylor was on the records, and Taylor was better live. Same with ADTL, Happy, Rip This Joint, Brown Sugar, Bitch, Angie, and a dozen others.
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Played with: Self-evident.
Played well with: Not so much.
+1. Obviously they *can* play the stuff without Taylor, it just doesn't sound very good when they do. I'll give them a pass on Brown Sugar and Bitch, to which Ronnie and Keith (respectively) still play some good stuff. The rest of the songs, no.
What's wrong with WH and DF?
Nothing, except Taylor was on the records, and Taylor was better live. Same with ADTL, Happy, Rip This Joint, Brown Sugar, Bitch, Angie, and a dozen others.
I agree Taylor was better live, I'm not entirely convinced he he still is though. But I think together with a little practice they would be better than either one alone.
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Played with: Self-evident.
Played well with: Not so much.
+1. Obviously they *can* play the stuff without Taylor, it just doesn't sound very good when they do. I'll give them a pass on Brown Sugar and Bitch, to which Ronnie and Keith (respectively) still play some good stuff. The rest of the songs, no.
What's wrong with WH and DF?
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Played with: Self-evident.
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+1. Obviously they *can* play the stuff without Taylor, it just doesn't sound very good when they do. I'll give them a pass on Brown Sugar and Bitch, to which Ronnie and Keith (respectively) still play some good stuff. The rest of the songs, no.
What's wrong with WH and DF?
I've never really liked Wild Horses as a live number anyway. To me it's an incredibly graceful composition in the studio but loses a lot of that grace on stage - somehow it just sounds clunky, and particularly on this last tour the tempo was all wrong (plus it's permanently associated with Gwen Stefani's guest spot in my mind now). Weirdly, I *do* love the instrumental take on it G'n'R used to do live.
As for Dead Flowers, I think it's infinitely better with Taylor. I'd argue that he basically invented that whole style of country-rock soloing with his live playing on DF and Tumbling Dice. I know a lot of people think it doesn't need super-widdly lead guitar but what he played was always melodious and appropriate, IMO. (Also, Taylor and Wood playing on it together would mean Jagger didn't have an excuse to break out his acoustic, which I always find incredibly annoying and distracting.)
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Played with: Self-evident.
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+1. Obviously they *can* play the stuff without Taylor, it just doesn't sound very good when they do. I'll give them a pass on Brown Sugar and Bitch, to which Ronnie and Keith (respectively) still play some good stuff. The rest of the songs, no.
What's wrong with WH and DF?
Nothing, except Taylor was on the records, and Taylor was better live. Same with ADTL, Happy, Rip This Joint, Brown Sugar, Bitch, Angie, and a dozen others.
I agree Taylor was better live, I'm not entirely convinced he he still is though. But I think together with a little practice they would be better than either one alone.
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That is what amazed me on the last tour -it felt at times they hadn't practiced at all, like they didn't even listen to the original record for 5 minutes. Silvertrain is a dead easy song to play, with a fairly easy slide part. Well, it was a train wreck, with nobody knowing what to do. It sounded like nobody had bothered to actually listen to the track, trusing they would still remember it from 40 years ago...
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That is what amazed me on the last tour -it felt at times they hadn't practiced at all, like they didn't even listen to the original record for 5 minutes. Silvertrain is a dead easy song to play, with a fairly easy slide part. Well, it was a train wreck, with nobody knowing what to do. It sounded like nobody had bothered to actually listen to the track, trusing they would still remember it from 40 years ago...
Mathijs
IIRC, the trainwreck in question happened because they rearranged the song in order to give Ronnie a solo as well as Taylor.
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I don't know if it is really serious they would do a Sticky Fingers show, but on topic:
Mick Taylor did not play on the album versions of Brown Sugar and Sister Morphine.
(Neither did Ronnie by the way).
I agree that Sticky Fingers has a couple of songs that do not translate to a live version
very well. Especially Sister Morphine and Sway both depend on the atmosphere a lot,
which is hard to duplicate on stage.
And I never understood why the sound of Keith' opening riff of Can't you hear me knocking
was never reached on stage.
Beggar's Banquet, Some Girls and Exile on Main St (not to forget Black and Blue, Now! and Aftermath)
would have a better chance to come over well on stage than Sticky Fingers, if they
would ask my advice.
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The Sticky Fingers concept seems like a dull idea for playing stadiums
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The Sticky Fingers concept seems like a dull idea for playing stadiums
We don't know yet how things are going to be done. The whole 10-songs album played at every show? In consecutive order à la "All Tomorrow's Party", the English festival that started the trend around 2002?
To ensure a nice turnaround from show to show will they play only 6-7 SF tracks per night? How? As a mini-set in the middle of the show? Will the 6-7 songs be spiced thru the setlist?
To me that's bloody exciting...
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My guess is a "greatest hits" show in stadiums and Sticky Fingers in smaller venues.
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My guess is a "greatest hits" show in stadiums and Sticky Fingers in smaller venues.
You're right. Like on the Licks tour the "smaller" venues will get the deeper cuts and stadiums will get a greatest hits setlist.
"Licks" tour + "Sticky Fingers" : the tour will be titled "Lick yer Sticky Fingers"!
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I can relate to this, but at least I thought they did good versions of both SM and MM in 97 and 99.
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I can relate to this, but at least I thought they did good versions of both SM and MM in 97 and 99.
This is a good version of the song indeed, judged on its own. I have to agree to that.
What Jack Nitzsche brought to the album version, those hauntingly rumbling piano rolls,
will never see the light of day on stage though.
And what would be the reason the fuzz box is never used for Can't you hear me knocking?
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That is what amazed me on the last tour -it felt at times they hadn't practiced at all, like they didn't even listen to the original record for 5 minutes. Silvertrain is a dead easy song to play, with a fairly easy slide part. Well, it was a train wreck, with nobody knowing what to do. It sounded like nobody had bothered to actually listen to the track, trusing they would still remember it from 40 years ago...
Mathijs
IIRC, the trainwreck in question happened because they rearranged the song in order to give Ronnie a solo as well as Taylor.
No, it happened because they decided to let Chuck count it in, and to let three guitars start it at the same time. It was amateurish. You can hear they're practising it that way on the rehearsal tapes as well.
First you gotta master the song, then the solos (which neither Ronnie or Taylor did very good, imo).
The solos were arranged differently in Japan, btw, but then Taylor went for a different solo/theme than that of GHS.
That said, and apart from the start, I thought Mick Jagger did a good job on the second version from down under. He was the weakest link on the Tokyo version, imo.
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Apart from in 1989/90 (in particular) and 1994/95 Keith has had some kind of an aversion of using much overdrive on stage. I don't know why.
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marcovandereijk
Mick Taylor did not play on the album versions of Brown Sugar
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marcovandereijk
Mick Taylor did not play on the album versions of Brown Sugar
I think Taylor probably did play on the original Muscle Shoals recording. Jimmy Johnson talks about him playing a strat. I just can't imagine him sitting around and not contributing to this obviously guitar based rock and roll song. He might have even contributed to its development more than we know.
It's possible that Keith just replaced all his parts and/or he is so low in the final mix that they decided not to credit him at all. Anybody ever hear Taylor talk about this?
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I think Taylor probably did play on the original Muscle Shoals recording. Jimmy Johnson talks about him playing a Strat. I just can't imagine him sitting around and not contributing to this obviously guitar based rock and roll song. He might have even contributed to its development more than we know.
It's possible that Keith just replaced all his parts and/or he is so low in the final mix that they decided not to credit him at all. Anybody ever hear Taylor talk about this?
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I think Taylor probably did play on the original Muscle Shoals recording. Jimmy Johnson talks about him playing a Strat. I just can't imagine him sitting around and not contributing to this obviously guitar based rock and roll song. He might have even contributed to its development more than we know.
It's possible that Keith just replaced all his parts and/or he is so low in the final mix that they decided not to credit him at all. Anybody ever hear Taylor talk about this?
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Where is the notion that he is not on Brown Sugar coming from ?
He was at Muscle Shoals and played on all 3 songs they worked on there. Which he has spoken about in interviews.
Even Keith says that Taylor is on Brown Sugar.
The credits of Sticky Fingers say: 'M. Taylor - guitar'
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I think Taylor probably did play on the original Muscle Shoals recording. Jimmy Johnson talks about him playing a Strat. I just can't imagine him sitting around and not contributing to this obviously guitar based rock and roll song. He might have even contributed to its development more than we know.
It's possible that Keith just replaced all his parts and/or he is so low in the final mix that they decided not to credit him at all. Anybody ever hear Taylor talk about this?
peace
Where is the notion that he is not on Brown Sugar coming from ?
He was at Muscle Shoals and played on all 3 songs they worked on there. Which he has spoken about in interviews.
Even Keith says that Taylor is on Brown Sugar.
The credits of Sticky Fingers say: 'M. Taylor - guitar'
Would you be so kind to point out his guitar track on the studio version?
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As for Dead Flowers, I think it's infinitely better with Taylor. I'd argue that he basically invented that whole style of country-rock soloing with his live playing on DF and Tumbling Dice.