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'It's all pose. It’s all @#$%& posing. It’s nothing to do with music.'

Is he supposed to look cool or badass? I mean, ffs, he looks like a f-ucking mummy with his headband.

It's not "blues in C", either

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'It's all pose. It’s all @#$%& posing. It’s nothing to do with music.'

What's wrong with posing for charity?

Keith is the same sort of soul that Miles Davis was....he neither had any good to say about any of his fellow trumpeters playing jazz and being successful...
Jealous Guys as Lennon would have put it...

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David was going out with Anita early 70ies from time to time.
He not a fan of him at all.

Really? Never heard that before! It would explain a lot about Keith's attitude.

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Great shot! Never seen that before. I guess coke can make all kinds of people friends.

Drinking friends also

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'It's all pose. It’s all @#$%& posing. It’s nothing to do with music.'

Is he supposed to look cool or badass? I mean, ffs, he looks like a f-ucking mummy with his headband.

This is one of the best song-writers of all times posing here. His suitcase is full with the best music you'll ever hear.
It's not David Bowie.

Keith songwriting on his own can not be compared with Bowies ...maybe, and I say maybe Jagger/Richards....

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I wouldn´t pay that much attention to quotes like this....
Keef talks a lot when the days are long...

Keith can only play guitar an write songs.
Mister Bowie can do everything.

Keef likes his music raw, close to the bone. In that way he's very close to Clement Greenberg theory about art (painting and sculpture) and what separates them. CG called them "essential conventions" : stray away from them and you weaken your art.
I'm sure keef has this theory about rock. Stray away from its bare-bones essential conventions and you weaken it.

The sophisticated arrangements and the complex stage persona(s) of Bowie irk him. Keef'd call it "effete" if he could remember the word!

And maybe he remembers the "raw, close to the bone" 71-72 Stones era and the Glam Bowie-influenced music of 73-74 (which was inferior).
That's not really surprising.

And don't forget Keef has a lot of mileage : he has seen rows of musicians build a successful over artistic choices HE would have discarted 10 seconds after envisioning them.

Btw... I wonder what he thinks of Pink Floyd...
"ah these pompous gits with the 17-minute songs and the "conceptual" albums. live the visuals overshadowed the music. Hate them..." ><



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Keith: hey look at my pal here
Bowie: eeew, he stinks


That's the reason.

I dont like Keiths comment and I dont agree with him but I get where he's coming from. Keith is blues to the bone. In 1975, 1976 or 1972 or 1969 yiou hear it in every chord or note.

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I am a shy poster but It seems to me an interesting thread. I think KR has an enormous and fragile ego and he's quickly and easily threatened by certain other personalities. I think the closeness of DB and MJ whatever it was made him feel insecure with Mick. So he sneers at DB's music.

I enjoy the site but I don't really understand why some conversational ideas seem to get sat on. It discourages me from posting much.

Probably the most meaningful comment on this thread

Keith most certainly knows who Bowie is (who doesn't?) but most likely doesn't (didn't?) like to see him too close to Jagger...

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I am a shy poster but It seems to me an interesting thread. I think KR has an enormous and fragile ego and he's quickly and easily threatened by certain other personalities. I think the closeness of DB and MJ whatever it was made him feel insecure with Mick. So he sneers at DB's music.

I enjoy the site but I don't really understand why some conversational ideas seem to get sat on. It discourages me from posting much.

Probably the most meaningful comment on this thread

Keith most certainly knows who Bowie is (who doesn't?) but most likely doesn't (didn't?) like to see him too close to Jagger...

Plus I think he genunily did not like his music.

Three rock stars who unexpectedly can/could play saxophone is:

David Bowie
Van Morrison
Brian Jones

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I am a shy poster but It seems to me an interesting thread. I think KR has an enormous and fragile ego and he's quickly and easily threatened by certain other personalities. I think the closeness of DB and MJ whatever it was made him feel insecure with Mick. So he sneers at DB's music.

I enjoy the site but I don't really understand why some conversational ideas seem to get sat on. It discourages me from posting much.

Probably the most meaningful comment on this thread

Keith most certainly knows who Bowie is (who doesn't?) but most likely doesn't (didn't?) like to see him too close to Jagger...

Plus I think he genunily did not like his music.

THAT's the most meaningful comment so far

David & Keith possibly in the 80's - - -

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'It's all pose. It’s all @#$%& posing. It’s nothing to do with music.'

Is he supposed to look cool or badass? I mean, ffs, he looks like a f-ucking mummy with his headband.

This is one of the best song-writers of all times posing here. His suitcase is full with the best music you'll ever hear.
It's not David Bowie.

No, it's Keith Richars, I know that.
Still Keith is a hypocrite. If there is one person who has done nothing but posing and living on former glories for the last 30 years, it's Keith.
Bowie still writes, and record music to great acclaim.

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'It's all pose. It’s all @#$%& posing. It’s nothing to do with music.'

What's wrong with posing for charity?

Nothing wrong. But a poser he is. Posing has A LOT to do with music.

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I am a shy poster but It seems to me an interesting thread. I think KR has an enormous and fragile ego and he's quickly and easily threatened by certain other personalities. I think the closeness of DB and MJ whatever it was made him feel insecure with Mick. So he sneers at DB's music.

I enjoy the site but I don't really understand why some conversational ideas seem to get sat on. It discourages me from posting much.

Probably the most meaningful comment on this thread

Keith most certainly knows who Bowie is (who doesn't?) but most likely doesn't (didn't?) like to see him too close to Jagger...

Plus I think he genunily did not like his music.

What are they doing? Interrail?

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'It's all pose. It’s all @#$%& posing. It’s nothing to do with music.'

Is he supposed to look cool or badass? I mean, ffs, he looks like a f-ucking mummy with his headband.

This is one of the best song-writers of all times posing here. His suitcase is full with the best music you'll ever hear.
It's not David Bowie.

No, it's Keith Richars, I know that.
Still Keith is a hypocrite. If there is one person who has done nothing but posing and living on former glories for the last 30 years, it's Keith.
Bowie still writes, and record music to great acclaim.

That depends on when Keith was quoted saying this, doesn't it?

When push comes to shove, Keith has written and recorded more than most of his peers. And the quality of the material speaks volumes.

Bowie also takes long breaks from writing.

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I am a shy poster but It seems to me an interesting thread. I think KR has an enormous and fragile ego and he's quickly and easily threatened by certain other personalities. I think the closeness of DB and MJ whatever it was made him feel insecure with Mick. So he sneers at DB's music.

I enjoy the site but I don't really understand why some conversational ideas seem to get sat on. It discourages me from posting much.

Probably the most meaningful comment on this thread

Keith most certainly knows who Bowie is (who doesn't?) but most likely doesn't (didn't?) like to see him too close to Jagger...

Plus I think he genunily did not like his music.

What are they doing? Interrail?

inter-something, that's for sure.

Inter-resting

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I am a shy poster but It seems to me an interesting thread. I think KR has an enormous and fragile ego and he's quickly and easily threatened by certain other personalities. I think the closeness of DB and MJ whatever it was made him feel insecure with Mick. So he sneers at DB's music.

I enjoy the site but I don't really understand why some conversational ideas seem to get sat on. It discourages me from posting much.

Probably the most meaningful comment on this thread

Keith most certainly knows who Bowie is (who doesn't?) but most likely doesn't (didn't?) like to see him too close to Jagger...

Plus I think he genunily did not like his music.

What are they doing? Interrail?

inter-something, that's for sure.

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'It's all pose. It’s all @#$%& posing. It’s nothing to do with music.'

What's wrong with posing for charity?

Nothing wrong. But a poser he is. Posing has A LOT to do with music.

I think Keith was referring to the balance between the posing and the music.

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Inter-resting

Forza Inter! Nah, Roma is my team in Italy...

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'It's all pose. It’s all @#$%& posing. It’s nothing to do with music.'

Is he supposed to look cool or badass? I mean, ffs, he looks like a f-ucking mummy with his headband.

This is one of the best song-writers of all times posing here. His suitcase is full with the best music you'll ever hear.
It's not David Bowie.

No, it's Keith Richars, I know that.
Still Keith is a hypocrite. If there is one person who has done nothing but posing and living on former glories for the last 30 years, it's Keith.
Bowie still writes, and record music to great acclaim.

That depends on when Keith was quoted saying this, doesn't it?

When push comes to shove, Keith has written and recorded more than most of his peers. And the quality of the material speaks volumes.

Bowie also takes long breaks from writing.

As far as I know, the quote stems from 2002-2003. The first time I saw it in print, was around the Licks tour, and it has popped up numerous times since.
It's also true that quality of material speaks volumes. Stones has released a lot more than Bowie, but what's the point in that? Quantity over quality?
Bowie mostly writes alone, but Keith can get away with about 6 songs pr. album, sometimes even less, and his output has become less and less frequent. What is Keith's true output of self-written material in the last 20 years? 15 songs?
Bowie has written a lot of material and it includes a lot of acclaimed material.

I am actually a bit surprised that so many people here disagree with Keith on this. I know that a lot of people think Bowie is a genius, although I never understood why, but really, there also must be people who don't like him, right? Where are they?
As a matter of fact, I tried googling "people who don't like Bowie" and hardly anything comes up. I really must be missing something and maybe one day I'll find out what it is, but in the meantime, I still agree with Keith.

I assume Keith was referring to Bowie's glam period, where (in Keith's opinion) his act was over-shadowing his music. If it was from 2002, Keith was still an active songwriter.