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Its pretty sad for me in that Mick Taylor has stated in interviews is highlight of his career was when he played with Dylan live and in the studio and not as part of the greatest band from the golden era from 69-74.
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I think that was the reason he gradually chose to extend his output on stage. There were fewer guitars, the keyboards weren't as audible - he probably felt that the songs needed more extended guitar lines, and chose to play them more off Mick's vocals than that of Keith's guitar. The reason for the latter could also be that Keith added less adventurous stuff with his open tuning than he would do in standard.
I agree, and I've often felt that if there was a tension between Keith and MT, this was probably why - as many have pointed out, the Stones are a unique band rhythmically in that they follow Keith more than they do Charlie. Taylor did this as well in the early days, but by 1973 it was Jagger he was listening to onstage. Keith may not have been happy about that.
If that's true, you certainly can't tell by listening to Brussels.
Of course you can. There is no "play and respond" left. It's a steady rhythm (Keith), vocals (Mick) and long melodic guitar lines filling in most of the spaces + on top of the vocals. It had reached the point where the guitar interaction from 1969 was almost gone.
That doesn't mean that it isn't good. It's very good, but in a different way. But the one who's suffering the most from this approach was Keith - as what he was playing became less important.
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1. He didn't get on with Keith.
2. His own drug problems had become serious.
3. His wife nagged him to leave.
4. He was feeling unappreciated given that he had worked closely with Jagger on so many songs and not received credit.
5. He wanted to play that fusion style of music, which was unfortunately in vogue at the time.
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I think that was the reason he gradually chose to extend his output on stage. There were fewer guitars, the keyboards weren't as audible - he probably felt that the songs needed more extended guitar lines, and chose to play them more off Mick's vocals than that of Keith's guitar. The reason for the latter could also be that Keith added less adventurous stuff with his open tuning than he would do in standard.
I agree, and I've often felt that if there was a tension between Keith and MT, this was probably why - as many have pointed out, the Stones are a unique band rhythmically in that they follow Keith more than they do Charlie. Taylor did this as well in the early days, but by 1973 it was Jagger he was listening to onstage. Keith may not have been happy about that
If that's true, you certainly can't tell by listening to Brussels.
Of course you can. There is no "play and respond" left. It's a steady rhythm (Keith), vocals (Mick) and long melodic guitar lines filling in most of the spaces + on top of the vocals. It had reached the point where the guitar interaction from 1969 was almost gone.
That doesn't mean that it isn't good. It's very good, but in a different way. But the one who's suffering the most from this approach was Keith - as what he was playing became less important.
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Quite many 'hads' and 'perhapses' there, Rocky...
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Had he done this and stayed a name guitarist in the 1980s, perhaps he would have played on Jagger's solo records as was mentioned when he left the band. Perhaps he would have returned in 1989 as was discussed as a back-up plan if Wyman did not come back.
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Taylorites, close your eyes now! ----- Great lead guitarists come and go, they are all over the place, and one can always pick a new one, but fill up Keith's position in the band, that's helluva task! --- Taylorites, you can open your eyes again! ---- So Ronnie was a back up plan 'just in case'. -
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Taylorites, close your eyes now! ----- Great lead guitarists come and go, they are all over the place, and one can always pick a new one, but fill up Keith's position in the band, that's helluva task! --- Taylorites, you can open your eyes again! ---- So Ronnie was a back up plan 'just in case'. -
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Are you suggesting that Ron Wood could fill both Taylor's and Richard's shoes, in each and every way?
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Taylorites, close your eyes now! ----- Great lead guitarists come and go, they are all over the place, and one can always pick a new one, but fill up Keith's position in the band, that's helluva task! --- Taylorites, you can open your eyes again! ---- So Ronnie was a back up plan 'just in case'. -
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Are you suggesting that Ron Wood could fill both Taylor's and Richard's shoes, in each and every way?
My theory is that noone replaced Taylor. Mick added Ronnie beacause of his image and fame and Billy and Ollie for musical reasons but also adding to their new image. Their best image as well as rhythm section if you ask me. Jagger danced with Billy and shared the mike with Ronnie.
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Taylorites, close your eyes now! ----- Great lead guitarists come and go, they are all over the place, and one can always pick a new one, but fill up Keith's position in the band, that's helluva task! --- Taylorites, you can open your eyes again! ---- So Ronnie was a back up plan 'just in case'. -
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Are you suggesting that Ron Wood could fill both Taylor's and Richard's shoes, in each and every way?
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He takes himself rather seriously, doesn't he?
I saved Mayall...... I (with Wyman and Watts) contributed to the skeletons of songs brought by Jagger & Richards... etc etc...
Methinks part of the reason he joined the Stones was he thought he could easily take the leadership of the band as MT thought (rightly so?) that he was by far the most skilled musician in the band.
Well that plan didn't go down too well, Taylor hit a concrete wall as M&Keef kept a strong leadership of the band and only used Taylor sparsely... (and they robbed him blind on a few song credits).
Methinks part of the reason he quit the Stones was the realization he had failed miserably, that he would remain a sideman in the band.
"Do that, play this, stop here" could sum up his time in the band...
No way Mick thought he was going to lead the Stones, musically or otherwise. That is preposterous!
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But let me repeat that my controversial claim is that Ronnie was actually a back up to Keith - that's why he was chosen; that was more important for Jagger and to the future of tHe Rolling Stones than any flashy solo guitarist no matter how Jagger loved to have one in a band. Fortunately, the worst scenario never realized.
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Well in a 2017 interview for Uncit or Mojo Glyn Johns revealed that around 1971 or 1972 he found a Stones tape where MT had made significant overdubs by himself without asking permission from Mick or Keef... So yeah I'd tend to believe MT has "Napoleon-esque" plans for himself within the Stones.
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I think that the post-Taylor Stones...would be much more interesting if they had a good melodic or if you like a"flashy" player aboard. Yin and Yang, instead of the "ancient art of weaving ". It really depends on what kind of approach one likes. Anyway, what's done is done.
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Well in a 2017 interview for Uncit or Mojo Glyn Johns revealed that around 1971 or 1972 he found a Stones tape where MT had made significant overdubs by himself without asking permission from Mick or Keef... So yeah I'd tend to believe MT has "Napoleon-esque" plans for himself within the Stones.
Permission? Did Glyn wipe them ?
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Well in a 2017 interview for Uncit or Mojo Glyn Johns revealed that around 1971 or 1972 he found a Stones tape where MT had made significant overdubs by himself without asking permission from Mick or Keef... So yeah I'd tend to believe MT has "Napoleon-esque" plans for himself within the Stones.
Permission? Did Glyn wipe them ?
Why would he need permission? He was a fully fledged member. They should have been happy he made that amount of effort
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Well in a 2017 interview for Uncit or Mojo Glyn Johns revealed that around 1971 or 1972 he found a Stones tape where MT had made significant overdubs by himself without asking permission from Mick or Keef... So yeah I'd tend to believe MT has "Napoleon-esque" plans for himself within the Stones.
Permission? Did Glyn wipe them ?
Why would he need permission? He was a fully fledged member. They should have been happy he made that amount of effort
Exactly. I would love to hear it.