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Yes and he came to that conclusion the minute he was shown the LP cover of iorr without the co-credits he was promised. By a journalist. After MT told him he'd finally get a couple of co-credits on that album. I thiunk he was young, v e r y gifted but also naive.
It had been building and this was the final straw. He would have stayed otherwise, for a least a few more years.
When did he say that?
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Yes and he came to that conclusion the minute he was shown the LP cover of iorr without the co-credits he was promised. By a journalist. After MT told him he'd finally get a couple of co-credits on that album. I thiunk he was young, v e r y gifted but also naive.
It had been building and this was the final straw. He would have stayed otherwise, for a least a few more years.
When did he say that?
This is only my opinion.
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Yes and he came to that conclusion the minute he was shown the LP cover of iorr without the co-credits he was promised. By a journalist. After MT told him he'd finally get a couple of co-credits on that album. I thiunk he was young, v e r y gifted but also naive.
It had been building and this was the final straw. He would have stayed otherwise, for a least a few more years.
When did he say that?
This is only my opinion.
I think that's a pretty spot on opinion myself.
Had he gotten the song writing credits, I would wager he would have stayed. Perhaps though he was right and might not have made it out of the 70s, so maybe it did work out for the best.
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MT would not be the first or last person to quit a job (in music, an office or a factory) because they felt their contributions were being ignored by co-workers or credit for them taken by co-workers. Sick of the boss (Keith). And not enamored with the quality of life and compromises the job has brought with it.
I have quite jobs over less....and none of my bosses was a junkie.
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And don't forget he was six years younger than the youngest band members, which back then was a big gap.
So I'm sure he had that "I'll show them what youngblood can do to this band, I'm gonna kick their arse" attitute when he joined the band.
Then he hardly played on LIB and some of his guitar parts on GYYO were erased or redone by Keith. A bad 1st year in the band... and that was just the beginning.
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MT would not be the first or last person to quit a job (in music, an office or a factory) because they felt their contributions were being ignored by co-workers or credit for them taken by co-workers. Sick of the boss (Keith). And not enamored with the quality of life and compromises the job has brought with it.
I have quite jobs over less....and none of my bosses was a junkie.
Without saying why?
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Yes and he came to that conclusion the minute he was shown the LP cover of iorr without the co-credits he was promised. By a journalist. After MT told him he'd finally get a couple of co-credits on that album. I thiunk he was young, v e r y gifted but also naive.
It had been building and this was the final straw. He would have stayed otherwise, for a least a few more years.
When did he say that?
This is only my opinion.
I think that's a pretty spot on opinion myself.
Had he gotten the song writing credits, I would wager he would have stayed. Perhaps though he was right and might not have made it out of the 70s, so maybe it did work out for the best.
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Keith told Taylor when NOT to play. That's well-documented
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I agree, except for your last sentence. I really can't see any proof of Taylor quitting because of Keith. The only thing remotely pointing that way is something Jagger phrased more like a question in 2010.
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I agree, except for your last sentence. I really can't see any proof of Taylor quitting because of Keith. The only thing remotely pointing that way is something Jagger phrased more like a question in 2010.
Well one could argue most of the other reasons were significantly related to Keith.
1. Heroin problems.....Keith's influence.
2. Songwriting credits.....Keith's (and Mick's) policy.
3. Too much idle waiting time....Keith's standard.
4. Not enough creative freedom...Keith's band.
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I agree, except for your last sentence. I really can't see any proof of Taylor quitting because of Keith. The only thing remotely pointing that way is something Jagger phrased more like a question in 2010.
Well one could argue most of the other reasons were significantly related to Keith.
1. Heroin problems.....Keith's influence.
2. Songwriting credits.....Keith's (and Mick's) policy.
3. Too much idle waiting time....Keith's standard.
4. Not enough creative freedom...Keith's band.
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Most of those points go for Mick as well, including the smack.
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Look up the thread about MJ and drugs.
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That opinion is perhaps backed up somewhat a Taylor confidant somewhere.. (his ex wife? someone?) At least an indication that Taylor had shortly after quitting phoned them up a few times to see if they needed any help etc.. I don't know that he really regretted his decision to leave exactly, and this is before it would've become clear how much sustained success the Stones would still have and how much money had been sacraficed or how humble Taylor's solo carreer would pan out... but it seems fairly reasonable to suspect Taylor might've wanted his cake and eaten in too up to a point... who wouldn't really?
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3. His wife nagged him to leave.
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That opinion is perhaps backed up somewhat a Taylor confidant somewhere.. (his ex wife? someone?) At least an indication that Taylor had shortly after quitting phoned them up a few times to see if they needed any help etc.. I don't know that he really regretted his decision to leave exactly, and this is before it would've become clear how much sustained success the Stones would still have and how much money had been sacraficed or how humble Taylor's solo carreer would pan out... but it seems fairly reasonable to suspect Taylor might've wanted his cake and eaten in too up to a point... who wouldn't really?
Never seen this anywhere. The opposite seems more likely.
There were reports that Taylor would not answer calls from the Stones org after he left.
Also, Taylor very recently recounted that in '77 Jagger asked if Taylor would sub for Richards if Richards were indisposed. Taylor said he dismissed the question.
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not a team player. like Clapton.. great musician but not a team player like Ronnie.
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Keith was back on every song on IORR, including TWFNO where he plays the first solo, acoustic guitar and sings back up vocals.
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Also, Taylor very recently recounted that in '77 Jagger asked if Taylor would sub for Richards if Richards were indisposed. Taylor said he dismissed the question.