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What am I missing here? The use of the word is not from Jagger's perspective. It's from the perspective of segments of American society that includes the legal system...they are niggers and they are getting killed. It's true today. Look at Ferguson. The irony of the Obama presidency is that it has not been a step forward for racial equality, but a step backward. The country has regressed on this and other issues.

Exactly, you say it better than I did, but this is precisely what I meant.

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Too bad they didn't use the Demo version, where Bill and Taylor are also audible. The official album version sounds a bit ... thin, though the song is beautiful.
I bet the live version from the 1972 tour would sound great in better audio quality.





btw: nothing wrong with the ten little niggers rhyme. Those who are verbally so political correct better protest against the way black people are treated by the largely white police force and against racist BEHAVIOUR.

That's not the demo version, that's the LP version before it had vocals.

Absolutely not! Compare it to the LP version here and notice the differences:

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Too bad they didn't use the Demo version, where Bill and Taylor are also audible. The official album version sounds a bit ... thin, though the song is beautiful.
I bet the live version from the 1972 tour would sound great in better audio quality.





btw: nothing wrong with the ten little niggers rhyme. Those who are verbally so political correct better protest against the way black people are treated by the largely white police force and against racist BEHAVIOUR.

That's not the demo version, that's the LP version before it had vocals.

Absolutely not! Compare it to the LP version here and notice the differences:

Same version, but a different mix. Taylor's guitar was muted on the first part of the song, and Bill's bass is lower in the mix on the final studio version.

But if you listen to what Taylor plays in the ending, you'll find that it is exactly the same as on the demo version.

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Let me know if you wanna remove it, if it looks too much like blood (like Mick did)

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Too bad they didn't use the Demo version, where Bill and Taylor are also audible. The official album version sounds a bit ... thin, though the song is beautiful.
I bet the live version from the 1972 tour would sound great in better audio quality.





btw: nothing wrong with the ten little niggers rhyme. Those who are verbally so political correct better protest against the way black people are treated by the largely white police force and against racist BEHAVIOUR.

That's not the demo version, that's the LP version before it had vocals.

Absolutely not! Compare it to the LP version here and notice the differences:

Same version, but a different mix. Taylor's guitar was muted on the first part of the song, and Bill's bass is lower in the mix on the final studio version.

But if you listen to what Taylor plays in the ending, you'll find that it is exactly the same as on the demo version.

The title says demo version but it's not a demo, it's a working full mix of the LP version that's not finished. The percussion and acoustic guitar are exactly the same as the LP version. Hence it's not a "demo" but a full mix.



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Too bad they didn't use the Demo version, where Bill and Taylor are also audible. The official album version sounds a bit ... thin, though the song is beautiful.
I bet the live version from the 1972 tour would sound great in better audio quality.





btw: nothing wrong with the ten little niggers rhyme. Those who are verbally so political correct better protest against the way black people are treated by the largely white police force and against racist BEHAVIOUR.

That's not the demo version, that's the LP version before it had vocals.

Absolutely not! Compare it to the LP version here and notice the differences:

Same version, but a different mix. Taylor's guitar was muted on the first part of the song, and Bill's bass is lower in the mix on the final studio version.

But if you listen to what Taylor plays in the ending, you'll find that it is exactly the same as on the demo version.

The title says demo version but it's not a demo, it's a working full mix of the LP version that's not finished. The percussion and acoustic guitar are exactly the same as the LP version. Hence it's not a "demo" but a full mix.

After having listened to both I have to disagree. Sorry.

OK. Not sure how you come to that conclusion that it's not the master recording but... it is. It just doesn't sound like the finished version. It's clearly the same version. Listen to the main acoustic guitar.

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OK. Not sure how you come to that conclusion that it's not the master recording but... it is. It just doesn't sound like the finished version. It's clearly the same version. Listen to the main acoustic guitar.

And listen to Taylor's acoustic toward the ending. Same take.

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OK. Not sure how you come to that conclusion that it's not the master recording but... it is. It just doesn't sound like the finished version. It's clearly the same version. Listen to the main acoustic guitar.

And listen to Taylor's acoustic toward the ending. Same take.

Could be the same take, but clearly and certainly different mixing. Anyway, I prefer the non official mixing.

I would say that it only benefits the song that Wyman's part was muted/buried in the mix. His peformance on this take, is very bad. Tons of bum-notes and sometimes his timing is also off.

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OK. Not sure how you come to that conclusion that it's not the master recording but... it is. It just doesn't sound like the finished version. It's clearly the same version. Listen to the main acoustic guitar.

And listen to Taylor's acoustic toward the ending. Same take.

Could be the same take, but clearly and certainly different mixing. Anyway, I prefer the non official mixing.

It's no different than what's on Static In The Attic, those versions of Emotional Rescue, No Use In Crying and so on - all LP versions in different stages of work.

What's funny about this version of SBA is the percussion is from the head and it works better than the LP mix.

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OK. Not sure how you come to that conclusion that it's not the master recording but... it is. It just doesn't sound like the finished version. It's clearly the same version. Listen to the main acoustic guitar.

And listen to Taylor's acoustic toward the ending. Same take.

Could be the same take, but clearly and certainly different mixing. Anyway, I prefer the non official mixing.

I wonder why?

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That's not spinach, that's an emerald chip! _{[<-- Obscure Stones Reference # 783]}

well whatever you do, don't replace it with a ruby, or it'll look like blood.

a diamond might be an option.

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OK. Not sure how you come to that conclusion that it's not the master recording but... it is. It just doesn't sound like the finished version. It's clearly the same version. Listen to the main acoustic guitar.

And listen to Taylor's acoustic toward the ending. Same take.

Could be the same take, but clearly and certainly different mixing. Anyway, I prefer the non official mixing.

I wonder why?

Keep on wondering, it keeps life interesting!

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What am I missing here? The use of the word is not from Jagger's perspective. It's from the perspective of segments of American society that includes the legal system...they are niggers and they are getting killed. It's true today. Look at Ferguson. The irony of the Obama presidency is that it has not been a step forward for racial equality, but a step backward. The country has regressed on this and other issues.

Nice post. Yes, so much of what you say is on the mark. Systemic racism is part of America, which will fight for a long long time to try to remove the illness from our culture and society. A long fight that needs art like SBA to question and make people feel uncomfortable because it is still present in society.

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Best sounding acoustic guitar on Vinyl

it really is.

Forgive me if this has been already mentioned. This song was written for apolitical prisoner Angela Davis. She was a organizer for the Black Panthers. A radical black political group that was active in the early 70's. She was sort of iconic with the big Afro and raised fist. Greatly admired by Mick and Keith. I remember Keith saying they sent her flowers when she was released.

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Forgive me if this has been already mentioned. This song was written for apolitical prisoner Angela Davis. She was a organizer for the Black Panthers. A radical black political group that was active in the early 70's. She was sort of iconic with the big Afro and raised fist. Greatly admired by Mick and Keith. I remember Keith saying they sent her flowers when she was released.

yes and shortly thereafter Mick found inspiration to write the lyrics to Fingerprint File.

David Horowitz relates meeting with Black Panther leader Huey Newton: "Huey told me about a project he had dreamed up to produce PORGY AND BESS as a musical set in contemporary Harlem, starring Stevie Wonder and Mick Jagger...Huey even showed me the treatment he had prepared in Braille for Stevie Wonder, while complaining that the people around the singer had bad mouthed him and killed the deal." From Horowitz's book Hating Whitey and Other Progressive Causes.



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Taylor is on this, let's fix the credits folks!

Ps, isn't this the song where the basic track was recorded while sitting in a circle jamming?

Love this one from my favorite album….at their peak, for sure.

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Nice read. SBA is one of my fave Stones tunes. I once had the poster of Huey Newton along with a number of other politically oriented posters hanging on the wall of my barracks room back when I was on active duty during the Vietnam War era. Such a different time, with books like Eldridge Cleaver's "Soul On Ice", "The Autobiography of Malcolm X", Abbie Hoffman's "Steal This Book" and assorted books and magazines part of the counterculture scene back then. I still have some of the posters stored away as they are collector pieces now. So, if you are of a certain vintage and have some of that 1960s/early 1970s counterculture stuff tucked away, you may have something valuable on your hands.

Very nice read. Giving me some flashbacks!! Liked this song so much for various reasons when it came out-still do & as keith said still relevant today. Used to have alot of Blank Panther newspapers- they would be giving them out in NYC. Had a ton of other things too. But lost most everything. Still have a rolling stone with Brian on the cover when he died-not for sale!!!

I've always loved everything about this track, though I don't think I was ever aware of the inspiration/background of it - thanks for the link,

To dmay, never knew your history of being on active duty in the military during the Vietnam War era- much respect to you. My uncle also served around '66-'68.

I don't have any 1960s/early 1970s counterculture stuff, but I do have a couple of these bracelets stashed away that we school kids used to wear in the early-mid '70's:

POW bracelet

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Indeed a very nice read.............

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Those lyrics and Mick's delivery would not be acceptable today (cultural appropriation, bad word, etc.). I guess it's good that someone wrote an article explaining who and what it's about, so contemporary listeners have some context. That was such a different time.

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“This one started as an island-lilt sort of thing when we were in Jamaica,” Richards told Harper’s. “After a while the words ‘Sweet Black Angel’ crept into it, and I realized Mick was writing about Angela Davis, the famous activist who was under arrest at the time.”

New Orleans musician Richard “Didymus” Washington played the sunny marimba lines that bring optimism to the “Sweet Black Angel” outro. On the original “Exile” inner sleeve Washington, introduced to The Stones by Dr. John, was credited as “Amyl Nitrate.”

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