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I'm not so sure if rock journalists could be categorised among those 99,99%, though, as their job was to follow the bands.
You overestimate their dedication and you underestimate the level of amateurism that was prevalent among "rock" journos from that era.
Remember the "Harold Colson 72 press clippings" thread : some journos wrote some extravagant things about what was played during the 1972 shows. They could write utter BS and get away with it.
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DandelionPowderman
BTW, remember the swedish Keith 1971 interview posted here a few months ago, where we heard an unknown live 71-version of MR in the background?
Did we conclude on where it was from?
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I'm not so sure if rock journalists could be categorised among those 99,99%, though, as their job was to follow the bands.
You overestimate their dedication and you underestimate the level of amateurism that was prevalent among "rock" journos from that era.
Remember the "Harold Colson 72 press clippings" thread : some journos wrote some extravagant things about what was played during the 1972 shows. They could write utter BS and get away with it.
I agree. Before decades the net, and whatever second hand sources, and even the bootleg market not being such a big business yet, I guess it was rather impossible for an English rock journalist know in 1971 what they even had played, say, in Helsinki 1970, than to name some not yet published tune. The writer in that article, by the way, describes "Brown Sugar" as "another untitled original rocker".
Looking those different reviews, the writers seem to guess new songs, if they dare, by the key phrase they recognize... we have things like "Take Me Down Little Suzie"...
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Mathijs
Karnbach mentions they video taped another 1971 show -that would seem very unlikely to me. There hasn't been any mention ever about a show being videotaped, other than the press clippings of Amsterdam, Paris and Berlin.
You are talking about shows of The 1970 Tour of Europe, that's not the UK 1971 Tour.
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I'm not so sure if rock journalists could be categorised among those 99,99%, though, as their job was to follow the bands.
You overestimate their dedication and you underestimate the level of amateurism that was prevalent among "rock" journos from that era.
Remember the "Harold Colson 72 press clippings" thread : some journos wrote some extravagant things about what was played during the 1972 shows. They could write utter BS and get away with it.
I agree. Before decades the net, and whatever second hand sources, and even the bootleg market not being such a big business yet, I guess it was rather impossible for an English rock journalist know in 1971 what they even had played, say, in Helsinki 1970, than to name some not yet published tune. The writer in that article, by the way, describes "Brown Sugar" as "another untitled original rocker".
Looking those different reviews, the writers seem to guess new songs, if they dare, by the key phrase they recognize... we have things like "Take Me Down Little Suzie"...
- Doxa
But to describe BS as "loose" and "a section led by Bill" + "with an extended sax solo". IMO, it's not Bitch, nor BS. The Bristol setlist shows that CYHMK indeed was played.
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I'm not so sure if rock journalists could be categorised among those 99,99%, though, as their job was to follow the bands.
You overestimate their dedication and you underestimate the level of amateurism that was prevalent among "rock" journos from that era.
Remember the "Harold Colson 72 press clippings" thread : some journos wrote some extravagant things about what was played during the 1972 shows. They could write utter BS and get away with it.
I agree. Before decades the net, and whatever second hand sources, and even the bootleg market not being such a big business yet, I guess it was rather impossible for an English rock journalist know in 1971 what they even had played, say, in Helsinki 1970, than to name some not yet published tune. The writer in that article, by the way, describes "Brown Sugar" as "another untitled original rocker".
Looking those different reviews, the writers seem to guess new songs, if they dare, by the key phrase they recognize... we have things like "Take Me Down Little Suzie"...
- Doxa
But to describe BS as "loose" and "a section led by Bill" + "with an extended sax solo". IMO, it's not Bitch, nor BS. The Bristol setlist shows that CYHMK indeed was played.
Yeah, that tune in question must be "Knocking". But he neither didn't recognize "Brown Sugar", as we can see later in the article, and of which we were discussing above.
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NoPanic
Nzentgraf states the Liverpool dates were recorded by Glyn. That's were the "Rambler" from the 71 Keith interview seems to be from. Get those nuggets out of the vaults...
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AmpegVT22
They were fabulous in Bristol, March '71. Horns & piano clearly audible. Plenty of excitement; not at all like the lumpen Marquee show.
They didn't do WIld Horses that night; I'd already heard the Gram Parsons v. at the 1970 IOW festival & would have known the song if they'd played it in Bristol. They did do Bitch. Horns sounded great. Otherwise the setlist was pretty much like the generic UK March 71 list.
The show was taped.
My pal & I (who'd broken his leg) recorded it on a primitive battery cassette player, with the mic held up on the end of his walking stick. Spotting the bouncers looming as the show ended, I walked one way with the tape in my pocket while he hobbled off & got hassled by bouncers & hall management - who only found an empty cassette recorder. I made an attempt to rediscover this tape, circa 1984, but its owner had emigrated to Rhodesia.
Should the tape ever surface it will be easily identified/authenticated by the voice of an American fan who kept shouting "One for the Medina" between songs...
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They were fabulous in Bristol, March '71. Horns & piano clearly audible. Plenty of excitement; not at all like the lumpen Marquee show.
They didn't do WIld Horses that night; I'd already heard the Gram Parsons v. at the 1970 IOW festival & would have known the song if they'd played it in Bristol. They did do Bitch. Horns sounded great. Otherwise the setlist was pretty much like the generic UK March 71 list.
The show was taped.
My pal & I (who'd broken his leg) recorded it on a primitive battery cassette player, with the mic held up on the end of his walking stick. Spotting the bouncers looming as the show ended, I walked one way with the tape in my pocket while he hobbled off & got hassled by bouncers & hall management - who only found an empty cassette recorder. I made an attempt to rediscover this tape, circa 1984, but its owner had emigrated to Rhodesia.
Should the tape ever surface it will be easily identified/authenticated by the voice of an American fan who kept shouting "One for the Medina" between songs...
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Eleanor Rigby
Wild Horses was played 100%....
So Mathijs says...
Would like to know rather than the usual crap.
Thanks
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NICOS
Rolling Stones - 1971 Marquee Club trailer......
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Rolling Stones - 1971 Marquee Club trailer......
What a great find, NICOS! Thanks for sharing.