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OT?
Well if you've ever been forced to buy a Stones ticket off either GETMEIN, SEATWAVE, VIAGOGO, or STUBHUB (as I have on a tiny handful of occasions) ... then it's hardly OT - is it ?
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OT?
Well if you've ever been forced to buy a Stones ticket off either GETMEIN, SEATWAVE, VIAGOGO, or STUBHUB (as I have on a tiny handful of occasions) ... then it's hardly OT - is it ?
No one is ever forced to do anything
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Naturalust
sounds like the new legislation might help but doesn't go far enough:
"A proposed amendment to the Consumer Rights Bill would force secondary sellers to tell customers how much the ticket initially went for, who they are buying it from, and whether it is being sold in contravention of its terms and conditions."
They will still get huge mark ups even with these disclosures, I don't get it. Am I missing something?
What they need to stop is the primary ticket sellers selling huge chunks of tickets directly to secondary marketers. The public should have a chance to buy them all and if companies and other organizations want large block they should be completely excluded from reselling them, with huge fines and blacklisted from ever doing it again.
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Nate
It's very simple,these company's are scumbags and they need to be stopped from operating because the reason so many people have trouble getting tickets is simply because these company's have bought loads of them before the general public has had a chance to buy them.
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Naturalust
Hmm ... and the public is expected to believe that dozens and dozens of such seats have been bought by genuine artist loving fans who within ten minutes of buying them have suddenly realised they have a doctor's or dentist's appointment on that day and can't go, therefore they will have to resell the ticket(s). What planet are these imbeciles on ?
That pretty much describes the real problem, imo. Hoping someone will specifically address this issue because I don't see much changing until they do.
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OT?
Well if you've ever been forced to buy a Stones ticket off either GETMEIN, SEATWAVE, VIAGOGO, or STUBHUB (as I have on a tiny handful of occasions) ... then it's hardly OT - is it ?
No one is ever forced to do anything
Speak for yourself ! I have been forced to resort to the secondary market in order to procure a ticket or two for something I've wanted to go to, and if the entire phenomenon either didn't exist or at least perhaps operated with greater transparency - then the likelihood is that I wouldn't have had to have done !
Saying "no-one is ever forced to do anything" is absurd. Do you work ? Do you do it because it amuses you, or do you do it because if you didn't - you'd starve ? Unless you're independently wealthy, I suspect it might be because of the latter ....
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OT?
Well if you've ever been forced to buy a Stones ticket off either GETMEIN, SEATWAVE, VIAGOGO, or STUBHUB (as I have on a tiny handful of occasions) ... then it's hardly OT - is it ?
No one is ever forced to do anything
Speak for yourself ! I have been forced to resort to the secondary market in order to procure a ticket or two for something I've wanted to go to, and if the entire phenomenon either didn't exist or at least perhaps operated with greater transparency - then the likelihood is that I wouldn't have had to have done !
Saying "no-one is ever forced to do anything" is absurd. Do you work ? Do you do it because it amuses you, or do you do it because if you didn't - you'd starve ? Unless you're independently wealthy, I suspect it might be because of the latter ....
A difference between wanting and needing something.
You need to eat. You don't 'need' to give all your money to Mick.
You may want to, but you don't need to.
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OT?
Well if you've ever been forced to buy a Stones ticket off either GETMEIN, SEATWAVE, VIAGOGO, or STUBHUB (as I have on a tiny handful of occasions) ... then it's hardly OT - is it ?
No one is ever forced to do anything
Speak for yourself ! I have been forced to resort to the secondary market in order to procure a ticket or two for something I've wanted to go to, and if the entire phenomenon either didn't exist or at least perhaps operated with greater transparency - then the likelihood is that I wouldn't have had to have done !
Saying "no-one is ever forced to do anything" is absurd. Do you work ? Do you do it because it amuses you, or do you do it because if you didn't - you'd starve ? Unless you're independently wealthy, I suspect it might be because of the latter ....
A difference between wanting and needing something.
You need to eat. You don't 'need' to give all your money to Mick.
You may want to, but you don't need to.
You're obviously reluctant to take my point onboard, so let me explain it once again so that even you can understand it ...........
Actually I DO need to give my money to Mick in return for attending a Stones concert. What I however also DO need to do is to be given a chance to give it to Ticketmaster or Seetickets, and the amount of it I give them represents the face value on the ticket plus their service charge ............ and not some arbitrary figure conjured up out of the imagination of either SEATWAVE, GETMEIN, STUBHUB, or VIAGOGO. And the current system doesn't allow me to do that, the opportunity to have a fair crack at getting tickets is simply denied to me - indeed to everyone.
If you're going to accuse me of wanting something unreasonable here, perhaps consider the pressure that millions (yes - literally millions) of people throughout the land have applied incrementally over the years that has led to this issue being debated in parliament yesterday, the issue being that of "ticket resale reform".
You're the one that's out of step with mainstream thinking my friend - not I !!
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OT?
Well if you've ever been forced to buy a Stones ticket off either GETMEIN, SEATWAVE, VIAGOGO, or STUBHUB (as I have on a tiny handful of occasions) ... then it's hardly OT - is it ?
No one is ever forced to do anything
Speak for yourself ! I have been forced to resort to the secondary market in order to procure a ticket or two for something I've wanted to go to, and if the entire phenomenon either didn't exist or at least perhaps operated with greater transparency - then the likelihood is that I wouldn't have had to have done !
Saying "no-one is ever forced to do anything" is absurd. Do you work ? Do you do it because it amuses you, or do you do it because if you didn't - you'd starve ? Unless you're independently wealthy, I suspect it might be because of the latter ....
A difference between wanting and needing something.
You need to eat. You don't 'need' to give all your money to Mick.
You may want to, but you don't need to.
You're obviously reluctant to take my point onboard, so let me explain it once again so that even you can understand it ...........
Actually I DO need to give my money to Mick in return for attending a Stones concert. What I however also DO need to do is to be given a chance to give it to Ticketmaster or Seetickets, and the amount of it I give them represents the face value on the ticket plus their service charge ............ and not some arbitrary figure conjured up out of the imagination of either SEATWAVE, GETMEIN, STUBHUB, or VIAGOGO. And the current system doesn't allow me to do that, the opportunity to have a fair crack at getting tickets is simply denied to me - indeed to everyone.
If you're going to accuse me of wanting something unreasonable here, perhaps consider the pressure that millions (yes - literally millions) of people throughout the land have applied incrementally over the years that has led to this issue being debated in parliament yesterday, the issue being that of "ticket resale reform".
You're the one that's out of step with mainstream thinking my friend - not I !!
I was addressing a very specific point within this post. Your attempt to broaden what I was saying is interesting, but entirely irrelevant.
You should learn to shut up and listen, if you have that ability.
If not, carry on with your rant but please don't have an aneurysm.
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Green Lady
While any step in the right direction would be nice, I don't see how any of it would help with what's described here:
Ticketing specialist Reg Walker explains: "This is organised and on an industrial scale. I think everyone at one time or another has tried to purchase tickets online, [and] simply not been able to get through because they are blocked out from the system by touts harvesting tickets in bulk using extremely sophisticated software.
"The software hits the primary ticket agent's system with a high-speed connection with multiple identities - different names, different credit cards, different addresses, different email address. It just simply pounds the system far faster than you or I can actually fill out our details.
This doesn't require collusion from the primary ticket seller or the artist. The tickets are not hived off in big blocks, or prevented from ever appearing in the public sale at all, but the system cannot tell that out of 100 sales to 100 "different people", 95 are to resellers.
The proposed new rules may force the tout to describe his wares more accurately (good - although I've seen it suggested that if exact row/seat details are published, the venue will take the opportunity to identify and cancel any ticket that is seen to be offered for resale). But it doesn't stop him from jumping the queue and getting his hands on all those tickets in the first place - which is the real problem.
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OT?
Well if you've ever been forced to buy a Stones ticket off either GETMEIN, SEATWAVE, VIAGOGO, or STUBHUB (as I have on a tiny handful of occasions) ... then it's hardly OT - is it ?
No one is ever forced to do anything
Speak for yourself ! I have been forced to resort to the secondary market in order to procure a ticket or two for something I've wanted to go to, and if the entire phenomenon either didn't exist or at least perhaps operated with greater transparency - then the likelihood is that I wouldn't have had to have done !
Saying "no-one is ever forced to do anything" is absurd. Do you work ? Do you do it because it amuses you, or do you do it because if you didn't - you'd starve ? Unless you're independently wealthy, I suspect it might be because of the latter ....
A difference between wanting and needing something.
You need to eat. You don't 'need' to give all your money to Mick.
You may want to, but you don't need to.
You're obviously reluctant to take my point onboard, so let me explain it once again so that even you can understand it ...........
Actually I DO need to give my money to Mick in return for attending a Stones concert. What I however also DO need to do is to be given a chance to give it to Ticketmaster or Seetickets, and the amount of it I give them represents the face value on the ticket plus their service charge ............ and not some arbitrary figure conjured up out of the imagination of either SEATWAVE, GETMEIN, STUBHUB, or VIAGOGO. And the current system doesn't allow me to do that, the opportunity to have a fair crack at getting tickets is simply denied to me - indeed to everyone.
If you're going to accuse me of wanting something unreasonable here, perhaps consider the pressure that millions (yes - literally millions) of people throughout the land have applied incrementally over the years that has led to this issue being debated in parliament yesterday, the issue being that of "ticket resale reform".
You're the one that's out of step with mainstream thinking my friend - not I !!
I was addressing a very specific point within this post. Your attempt to broaden what I was saying is interesting, but entirely irrelevant.
You should learn to shut up and listen, if you have that ability.
If not, carry on with your rant but please don't have an aneurysm.
Cite something contributory and of value and relevance to the subject of this thread and I will gladly listen. Regrettably you choose not to do that ... hence you elicit the kind of response from me that you seem to find so objectionable. Meanwhile, I will most certainly not shut up ... if that's alright with you of course ? Freedom of speech and expression ? Heard of it ? New concept to some, quite likely to catch on in my opinion ........ !
You might wish to look up the definition of the word "rant" ? Posting links to press articles on the subject of ticket resale reform hardly constitutes a rant. Not only do I not lose any sleep over this issue, but - I can assure you - I am not heading for an aneurysm either. But in the spirit of reciprocity, I thank you profusely for your concern !!
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OT?
Well if you've ever been forced to buy a Stones ticket off either GETMEIN, SEATWAVE, VIAGOGO, or STUBHUB (as I have on a tiny handful of occasions) ... then it's hardly OT - is it ?
No one is ever forced to do anything
Speak for yourself ! I have been forced to resort to the secondary market in order to procure a ticket or two for something I've wanted to go to, and if the entire phenomenon either didn't exist or at least perhaps operated with greater transparency - then the likelihood is that I wouldn't have had to have done !
Saying "no-one is ever forced to do anything" is absurd. Do you work ? Do you do it because it amuses you, or do you do it because if you didn't - you'd starve ? Unless you're independently wealthy, I suspect it might be because of the latter ....
A difference between wanting and needing something.
You need to eat. You don't 'need' to give all your money to Mick.
You may want to, but you don't need to.
You're obviously reluctant to take my point onboard, so let me explain it once again so that even you can understand it ...........
Actually I DO need to give my money to Mick in return for attending a Stones concert. What I however also DO need to do is to be given a chance to give it to Ticketmaster or Seetickets, and the amount of it I give them represents the face value on the ticket plus their service charge ............ and not some arbitrary figure conjured up out of the imagination of either SEATWAVE, GETMEIN, STUBHUB, or VIAGOGO. And the current system doesn't allow me to do that, the opportunity to have a fair crack at getting tickets is simply denied to me - indeed to everyone.
If you're going to accuse me of wanting something unreasonable here, perhaps consider the pressure that millions (yes - literally millions) of people throughout the land have applied incrementally over the years that has led to this issue being debated in parliament yesterday, the issue being that of "ticket resale reform".
You're the one that's out of step with mainstream thinking my friend - not I !!
I was addressing a very specific point within this post. Your attempt to broaden what I was saying is interesting, but entirely irrelevant.
You should learn to shut up and listen, if you have that ability.
If not, carry on with your rant but please don't have an aneurysm.
Cite something contributory and of value and relevance to the subject of this thread and I will gladly listen. Regrettably you choose not to do that ... hence you elicit the kind of response from me that you seem to find so objectionable. Meanwhile, I will most certainly not shut up ... if that's alright with you of course ? Freedom of speech and expression ? Heard of it ? New concept to some, quite likely to catch on in my opinion ........ !
You might wish to look up the definition of the word "rant" ? Posting links to press articles on the subject of ticket resale reform hardly constitutes a rant. Not only do I not lose any sleep over this issue, but - I can assure you - I am not heading for an aneurysm either. But in the spirit of reciprocity, I thank you profusely for your concern !!
what great advice paulywaul! glad your medical condition is stable or has stabilized.
here is the definition of rant...you may decide for yourself whether your tirade fits within that definition:
rant
rant/Submit
verb
1.
speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way.
"she was still ranting on about the unfairness of it all"
synonyms: fulminate, go on, hold forth, vociferate, sound off, spout, pontificate, bluster, declaim; More
noun
noun: rant; plural noun: rants
1.
a spell of ranting; a tirade.
"his rants against organized religion"
synonyms: tirade, diatribe, broadside; literaryphilippic
"he went into a rant about them"
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Naturalust
Sorry to hear that the legislation didn't pass. At least there is more awareness of the issues now, maybe a small groundswell which will erupt in future change.
I expect the best results can and must be initiated by the artists themselves. If the Stones demanded a certain ticket selling practice, the promoters and sellers would have no choice but to comply.
For now just another sad case of greedy businessmen negatively impacting the music entertainment industry.
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Naturalust
Sorry to hear that the legislation didn't pass. At least there is more awareness of the issues now, maybe a small groundswell which will erupt in future change.
I expect the best results can and must be initiated by the artists themselves. If the Stones demanded a certain ticket selling practice, the promoters and sellers would have no choice but to comply.
For now just another sad case of greedy businessmen negatively impacting the music entertainment industry.
peace
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OT?
Well if you've ever been forced to buy a Stones ticket off either GETMEIN, SEATWAVE, VIAGOGO, or STUBHUB (as I have on a tiny handful of occasions) ... then it's hardly OT - is it ?
No one is ever forced to do anything
Speak for yourself ! I have been forced to resort to the secondary market in order to procure a ticket or two for something I've wanted to go to, and if the entire phenomenon either didn't exist or at least perhaps operated with greater transparency - then the likelihood is that I wouldn't have had to have done !
Saying "no-one is ever forced to do anything" is absurd. Do you work ? Do you do it because it amuses you, or do you do it because if you didn't - you'd starve ? Unless you're independently wealthy, I suspect it might be because of the latter ....
A difference between wanting and needing something.
You need to eat. You don't 'need' to give all your money to Mick.
You may want to, but you don't need to.
You're obviously reluctant to take my point onboard, so let me explain it once again so that even you can understand it ...........
Actually I DO need to give my money to Mick in return for attending a Stones concert. What I however also DO need to do is to be given a chance to give it to Ticketmaster or Seetickets, and the amount of it I give them represents the face value on the ticket plus their service charge ............ and not some arbitrary figure conjured up out of the imagination of either SEATWAVE, GETMEIN, STUBHUB, or VIAGOGO. And the current system doesn't allow me to do that, the opportunity to have a fair crack at getting tickets is simply denied to me - indeed to everyone.
If you're going to accuse me of wanting something unreasonable here, perhaps consider the pressure that millions (yes - literally millions) of people throughout the land have applied incrementally over the years that has led to this issue being debated in parliament yesterday, the issue being that of "ticket resale reform".
You're the one that's out of step with mainstream thinking my friend - not I !!
I was addressing a very specific point within this post. Your attempt to broaden what I was saying is interesting, but entirely irrelevant.
You should learn to shut up and listen, if you have that ability.
If not, carry on with your rant but please don't have an aneurysm.
Cite something contributory and of value and relevance to the subject of this thread and I will gladly listen. Regrettably you choose not to do that ... hence you elicit the kind of response from me that you seem to find so objectionable. Meanwhile, I will most certainly not shut up ... if that's alright with you of course ? Freedom of speech and expression ? Heard of it ? New concept to some, quite likely to catch on in my opinion ........ !
You might wish to look up the definition of the word "rant" ? Posting links to press articles on the subject of ticket resale reform hardly constitutes a rant. Not only do I not lose any sleep over this issue, but - I can assure you - I am not heading for an aneurysm either. But in the spirit of reciprocity, I thank you profusely for your concern !!
what great advice paulywaul! glad your medical condition is stable or has stabilized.
here is the definition of rant...you may decide for yourself whether your tirade fits within that definition:
rant
rant/Submit
verb
1.
speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way.
"she was still ranting on about the unfairness of it all"
synonyms: fulminate, go on, hold forth, vociferate, sound off, spout, pontificate, bluster, declaim; More
noun
noun: rant; plural noun: rants
1.
a spell of ranting; a tirade.
"his rants against organized religion"
synonyms: tirade, diatribe, broadside; literaryphilippic
"he went into a rant about them"
<<< glad your medical condition is stable or has stabilized >>> Huh ? O please, is making comments like this representative of the lowly and infantile depths to which you have to resort just because someone has a different point of view to yours ? Grow up !
Here's some news to brighten your day however. The motion to amend the consumer rights bill as described earlier in this thread was not carried in the voting that took place on Monday 12th, so for the time being the operators in the secondary market can continue to perpetrate their injustices and unfairness upon the public.
Happy now ?
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OT?
Well if you've ever been forced to buy a Stones ticket off either GETMEIN, SEATWAVE, VIAGOGO, or STUBHUB (as I have on a tiny handful of occasions) ... then it's hardly OT - is it ?
No one is ever forced to do anything
Speak for yourself ! I have been forced to resort to the secondary market in order to procure a ticket or two for something I've wanted to go to, and if the entire phenomenon either didn't exist or at least perhaps operated with greater transparency - then the likelihood is that I wouldn't have had to have done !
Saying "no-one is ever forced to do anything" is absurd. Do you work ? Do you do it because it amuses you, or do you do it because if you didn't - you'd starve ? Unless you're independently wealthy, I suspect it might be because of the latter ....
A difference between wanting and needing something.
You need to eat. You don't 'need' to give all your money to Mick.
You may want to, but you don't need to.
You're obviously reluctant to take my point onboard, so let me explain it once again so that even you can understand it ...........
Actually I DO need to give my money to Mick in return for attending a Stones concert. What I however also DO need to do is to be given a chance to give it to Ticketmaster or Seetickets, and the amount of it I give them represents the face value on the ticket plus their service charge ............ and not some arbitrary figure conjured up out of the imagination of either SEATWAVE, GETMEIN, STUBHUB, or VIAGOGO. And the current system doesn't allow me to do that, the opportunity to have a fair crack at getting tickets is simply denied to me - indeed to everyone.
If you're going to accuse me of wanting something unreasonable here, perhaps consider the pressure that millions (yes - literally millions) of people throughout the land have applied incrementally over the years that has led to this issue being debated in parliament yesterday, the issue being that of "ticket resale reform".
You're the one that's out of step with mainstream thinking my friend - not I !!
I was addressing a very specific point within this post. Your attempt to broaden what I was saying is interesting, but entirely irrelevant.
You should learn to shut up and listen, if you have that ability.
If not, carry on with your rant but please don't have an aneurysm.
Cite something contributory and of value and relevance to the subject of this thread and I will gladly listen. Regrettably you choose not to do that ... hence you elicit the kind of response from me that you seem to find so objectionable. Meanwhile, I will most certainly not shut up ... if that's alright with you of course ? Freedom of speech and expression ? Heard of it ? New concept to some, quite likely to catch on in my opinion ........ !
You might wish to look up the definition of the word "rant" ? Posting links to press articles on the subject of ticket resale reform hardly constitutes a rant. Not only do I not lose any sleep over this issue, but - I can assure you - I am not heading for an aneurysm either. But in the spirit of reciprocity, I thank you profusely for your concern !!
what great advice paulywaul! glad your medical condition is stable or has stabilized.
here is the definition of rant...you may decide for yourself whether your tirade fits within that definition:
rant
rant/Submit
verb
1.
speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way.
"she was still ranting on about the unfairness of it all"
synonyms: fulminate, go on, hold forth, vociferate, sound off, spout, pontificate, bluster, declaim; More
noun
noun: rant; plural noun: rants
1.
a spell of ranting; a tirade.
"his rants against organized religion"
synonyms: tirade, diatribe, broadside; literaryphilippic
"he went into a rant about them"
<<< glad your medical condition is stable or has stabilized >>> Huh ? O please, is making comments like this representative of the lowly and infantile depths to which you have to resort just because someone has a different point of view to yours ? Grow up !
Here's some news to brighten your day however. The motion to amend the consumer rights bill as described earlier in this thread was not carried in the voting that took place on Monday 12th, so for the time being the operators in the secondary market can continue to perpetrate their injustices and unfairness upon the public.
Happy now ?
Oh man you are just so angry.
The only thing I actually questioned, was the actual 'need' to pay the astronomical price, vs. just saying no. If everyone just said "screw you, I'm not paying that", the market would adjust accordingly.
I refused to go to the Stones last time...I wasn't going to pay $600 for a good ticket. I got lucky and got 85s so I went and was happy to have gone.
There are a lot of injustices in the world so I guess I'm just a bit less concerned whether someone is trying to burn me on the ticket. It might annoy me but I think there are bigger fish to fry, but that is of course only my opinion.
But don't paint me as being pleased with the state of affairs, I only suggested I think that one doesn't NEED to do this. I stand corrected, you apparently do NEED to.
I will now vacate your thread, as differences of opinion aren't exactly welcome by the looks of it.
HAVE FUN!
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