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Like I said, you either accept what they are now, or you don't go see them. But quit hoping for more. More is over.

So what do you say to the fans that have seen them play Lady Jane, I Wanna Be Your Man, Silver Train, the two new songs. Under The Boardwalk, Factory Girl, Out Of Control, Worried About You, 2000 Light Years From Home, Sway, Can't You Hear Me Knocking, She's So Cold, Dead Flowers, Streets Of Love (!), It's All Over Now, Little Red Rooster, The Last Time, Memory Motel + other gems on this tour?

It's not over, but they are at a stage in their career where they probably need to play it safer, to be able to do quality shows.

There will always be SOME surprises when the Stones are playing. Maybe that's why some people get so disappointed when it doesn't happen

He doesn't have to say anything, does he? He's just giving an opinion. Stop asking silly and ridiculously childish questions like someone has to validate his opinion or something in front of this 'moral majority cheerleader squad'.

I'm not stopping anything. And you are correct - he doesn't have to say anything. Nor did I say he had to.

Get yourself an Amstel and cheer up.

Setlists' debate

It's fun noticing how politically correct thinking infiltrates rock'n'roll
Kind of paradox




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It's fun noticing how politically correct thinking infiltrates rock'n'roll///

Setlist whining represents being politically correct, you mean?



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Setlists' debate

It's fun noticing how politically correct thinking infiltrates rock'n'roll

Setlist whining represents being politically correct, you mean?

LOL You give a perfect example of antiphrasis*


* [www.thefreedictionary.com]

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When the inevitable day comes and The Stones decide to hang up their guitars for good and we have heard the last "we're gonna do one more then we gotta go" song, those setlist moaners will be wishing for 'just one more gig'. So let's all enjoy/marvel/rejoice in the fact they are still on the road giving us some great rock 'n' roll music as only they know how........

There has been six and half pages since October 25. Can we move on please, there is more shows to go yet, and guess what, more setlists to talk about.BV, you wont hear any complaints from me if you want to delete this post, I would not blame you if you did, hope you enjoy our fair city of Perth.

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When the inevitable day comes and The Stones decide to hang up their guitars for good and we have heard the last "we're gonna do one more then we gotta go" song, those setlist moaners will be wishing for 'just one more gig'. So let's all enjoy/marvel/rejoice in the fact they are still on the road giving us some great rock 'n' roll music as only they know how........

No truer words said. It's passed time already to get real.

For me both sides make good points. The "probable" reality is there will be little or no more set lists surprises. The fans that didn't get to witness them are likely to feel slighted. Myself I wanted to see Silver Train or CYHMK with Mick T. as many others. At least they're recorded so I can hear them. Sometimes I wonder how our demands/complaints affect The Stones. Maybe they don't care. It's said Mick has thick skin. I know I couldn't handle it. Certainly a standard set list has been part of the reason why they're playing so well. The set list debate is a hard subject where nobody wins. That's my opinion for what it's worth.

They aren't playing for the 100-200 people that fly from town to town to see them, but for the mass audience that come, a lot maybe for the first time, to hear the classics.

So you get the same basic set list, with some variation for the local market. All classics peppered with a handful of deeper cuts.

They play the songs well and are well received everywhere they go.

It's a formula that's tried and true and works massively.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

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When the inevitable day comes and The Stones decide to hang up their guitars for good and we have heard the last "we're gonna do one more then we gotta go" song, those setlist moaners will be wishing for 'just one more gig'. So let's all enjoy/marvel/rejoice in the fact they are still on the road giving us some great rock 'n' roll music as only they know how........

I doubt that. Because it will always be something along the line of 'if they hadn't played Jumpin' Jack Flash 8 minutes long for the 500th time they could've put in two more really good songs'...

Compare the repetitive setlists of the early seventies with today's is nonsense. they were in their heyday then, playing their latest, strongest stuff, in a catalogue that was not even 10 years old. That ended in 78. 81 was an added chapter to that but also a hint to what they could and would in fact be from 89 on.

New songs were limited to a smaller part of the setlist and basically at the beginning. Start me up was the last "new" song to make it to the "warhorses" part of the gig. It began the era of the "obscure" tracks to dig out from catalogue. There was the acoustic set in 95, the web choice in 97 and so on.

The best part of this was in 2002/2003 with the 3 venues per town idea + the album theme idea, even if it was early limited to the usual suspects. Of course i'd love to hear Parachute woman or She smiled sweetly and I think that to throw Till the next goodbye or Out of time in the list instead of Wild horses or Iorr once in a while could do no harm to the crescendo

Fact is that Mick thinks and design the setlist as a crescendo plus he is the one that sings (has to remember the lyrics) and feel more comfortable if he does not have to "think" about the lyrics and focus on the "working the crowd part" with his body and choreography. That is why he, and they, need a "safe" setlist at this point and at their age.

Fact is that it works very well on most nights and I have never left a gig unsatisfied (1990, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2012, 2014)

Post scriptum: I have seen the whole MR for Adelaide





so may I enlist among the "Lame Crowd Moaners"? It's incredible to see the work of Mick and the band AND all those people standing motionless, arms folded and silent... but hey, I'm italian and was at the Circo Massimo..



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There' a cool moment during JJF when Keith and Ronnie jam on past the ending and you can see Mick snarling at Keith twice before they come to a tidy ending. Then Keith throws in a few extra notes just to irritate Mick.

Ha ha! Well that would be fun to see. Went through a few pages, didn't see any JJF links. Perhaps someone will have it.

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Cool.

Appears to be a rather lame crowd, even more than usual...

Regarding the setlists, they are still (kind of?) touring that monkey album... with its somewhat odd track list order. I guess chronological order was not a 100% idea...

And yet Out Of Control didn't make any of the editions.

Wow. People certainly take things the wrong way. I'm basically trying to tell setlist moaners to knock it off. It's obvious that the great days are long over. Some performers the Stones' age are playing entire albums, or large portions thereof, like the Stones did on the Licks Tour. The Stones do not have to play the worn out hits night after night, but they choose to. Maybe they have to, we really don't know the state of the band.

I have watched some of their contemporary groups dig a little deeper for more satisfying cuts, and then pull a monster hit out of their bag when the audience's attention wanders. But for some reason the Stones are indeed playing it extremely safe.

I don't really understand how someone could follow them around the world at every stop at this stage, but I don't have to. If you've never seen them before this could be great, and young people seeing a legend for the first time have nothing to compare them to, so have a blast. The Stones are putting out those vault DVDs next month for fans like me.

I hope the Stones continue making fans happy for as long as they can manage. And I hope the Stones see the love reflected in those fans' eyes. So, quit bitching about the setlists. They're set in stone and you either like it, or you walk away. This whole shebang could have ended a long time ago. And if you want to hear Sympathy For the Devil live, on an endless loop, more power to you.

Any "Can't be seen" & "Happy" video ?

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Wow. People certainly take things the wrong way. I'm basically trying to tell setlist moaners to knock it off. It's obvious that the great days are long over. Some performers the Stones' age are playing entire albums, or large portions thereof, like the Stones did on the Licks Tour. The Stones do not have to play the worn out hits night after night, but they choose to. Maybe they have to, we really don't know the state of the band.

I have watched some of their contemporary groups dig a little deeper for more satisfying cuts, and then pull a monster hit out of their bag when the audience's attention wanders. But for some reason the Stones are indeed playing it extremely safe.

I don't really understand how someone could follow them around the world at every stop at this stage, but I don't have to. If you've never seen them before this could be great, and young people seeing a legend for the first time have nothing to compare them to, so have a blast. The Stones are putting out those vault DVDs next month for fans like me.

I hope the Stones continue making fans happy for as long as they can manage. And I hope the Stones see the love reflected in those fans' eyes. So, quit bitching about the setlists. They're set in stone and you either like it, or you walk away. This whole shebang could have ended a long time ago. And if you want to hear Sympathy For the Devil live, on an endless loop, more power to you.

They're celebrating their legacy. I don't have an issue with their setlist other than the one song being post-1981/not 2012 when they happen to play it! Not exactly doing their catalogue from 50 years. Some people wish they'd do a little more digging.

Although... it would be nice if they had Mick Taylor out for more than just Midnight Rambler. They pulled out Streets Of Love whenever that was and Taylor played on it yet Plundered My Soul hasn't gotten anything. That's strange.

Regarding the setlists for these tours, once you get past Tumbling Dice (history wise) it gets really thin regarding what a majority of the people who are going to the shows probably know (I know, hell of an assumption. Well whatever!). Which leaves It's Only Rock'N'Roll, Miss You, Beast Of Burden, Emotional Rescue, Start Me Up and Waiting On A Friend. That coverage of years is a lot compared to their HOT ROCKS era. But perhaps just as loved as JJF, SFM, SFTD and on and on.

But seeing that it's more of a legacy show, well, whatever!

Oh yeah - what album on the LICKS tour did the Stones play a large portion of?

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Wow. People certainly take things the wrong way. I'm basically trying to tell setlist moaners to knock it off. It's obvious that the great days are long over. Some performers the Stones' age are playing entire albums, or large portions thereof, like the Stones did on the Licks Tour. The Stones do not have to play the worn out hits night after night, but they choose to. Maybe they have to, we really don't know the state of the band.

I have watched some of their contemporary groups dig a little deeper for more satisfying cuts, and then pull a monster hit out of their bag when the audience's attention wanders. But for some reason the Stones are indeed playing it extremely safe.

I don't really understand how someone could follow them around the world at every stop at this stage, but I don't have to. If you've never seen them before this could be great, and young people seeing a legend for the first time have nothing to compare them to, so have a blast. The Stones are putting out those vault DVDs next month for fans like me.

I hope the Stones continue making fans happy for as long as they can manage. And I hope the Stones see the love reflected in those fans' eyes. So, quit bitching about the setlists. They're set in stone and you either like it, or you walk away. This whole shebang could have ended a long time ago. And if you want to hear Sympathy For the Devil live, on an endless loop, more power to you.

24FPS, I did get the original intention of your post, and it was actually the reactions towards it, which partly made me make an own thread to discuss setlist matters, since there seems to be too much sensitivity involved here.

- Doxa

Hey, Doxa, you seem much more positive about the band of late.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Is this at least partly because you've just seen a show or two or three this year, and had missed their performances in 2012-2013?

~"Love is Strong"~

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Hey, Doxa, you seem much more positive about the band of late.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Is this at least partly because you've just seen a show or two or three this year, and had missed their performances in 2012-2013?

Thanks, angee, for asking! I saw them last year at Hyde Park, which didn't much change my perception of them since, say, LICKS TOUR, at least to a positive direction (except Taylor factor). But the show I saw this year at Stockholm was really a pleasent surprise. Especially Jagger blew my mind. But it could be also that I have mellowed lately, and come more to terms with the state of the band as it is these days (don't know if anyone has noticed, but I have dropped "Vegas Era" out of my vocabulary... ). The fact that they still tour, and play whatever, and generally surprisingly well, is a miracle of its own.

The thing is also that 50 AND COUNTING.. started under some dark clouds - the ticket fiasco and the whole Barbra Streisend thing, Bill's treatment, the thrill of having 'more Taylor' turned out to be a disappointment - but it looks like everything was more or less sorted out by the time they hit Europe (Jagger's personal tragedy also added some extra affection I guess). It could be some of these things affect to my perception as well.

- Doxa

P.S. I will send you an e-mail!



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Any "Can't be seen" & "Happy" video ?

Happy is on Youtube. A bit slow, but quite good.

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it looks like everything was more or less sorted out by the time they hit Europe (Jagger's personal tragedy also added some extra affection I guess). It could be some of these things affect to my perception as well.

You're right Doxa it was much less adventurous than in 2013 but it worked better and it was stronger.
It's called a reduction ("the simplification of a subject or problem to a particular form in presentation " ) and it made the '14 gigs more potent (imo).



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Let's not forget that the internet has made it possible for us to not only see a video from that days show and the setlist but BV's Awesome pics! The Same Day!! Same Day! Back in the golden age we had to wait for Rolling Stone to publish a few pics at the end of the tour and attend a gig to know the set list....we have been spoiled by these guys! The Greatest Rock n Roll Band not only in the World but of ALL TIME...you wanna see a different set EVERY night? Go see the DEAD...........er wait too late now innit? I'm Thankful we are not in that boat yet!
Let's Drink to The ROLLING STONES! And toast our leader BV!

Oh yeah - what album on the LICKS tour did the Stones play a large portion of?[/quote]


They did some arena nights with an emphasis on either LET IT BLEED, STICKY FINGERS, EXILE, BEGGARS BANQUET and sometimes SOME GIRLS - about 3-5 songs, often 3 in a row. Taht was great then!!!!!

I never get tired listening to this song, it really is the best rock and roll song in the world. Am I going to start something with that remark. I saw them in Dc last year and they were great

You can find HAPPY on YOU TUBE, It's in a 16 Minutes Clip, called The Rolling Stones Adelaide 2014.

This Clip starts with the INTRO, HONKY TONK WOMEN, HAPPY, MIDNIGHT RAMBLER, MISS YOU......

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I never get tired listening to this song, it really is the best rock and roll song in the world. Am I going to start something with that remark. I saw them in Dc last year and they were great

Which song?

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Compare the repetitive setlists of the early seventies with today's is nonsense. they were in their heyday then, playing their latest, strongest stuff, in a catalogue that was not even 10 years old. That ended in 78. 81 was an added chapter to that but also a hint to what they could and would in fact be from 89 on.

New songs were limited to a smaller part of the setlist and basically at the beginning. Start me up was the last "new" song to make it to the "warhorses" part of the gig. It began the era of the "obscure" tracks to dig out from catalogue. There was the acoustic set in 95, the web choice in 97 and so on.

The best part of this was in 2002/2003 with the 3 venues per town idea + the album theme idea, even if it was early limited to the usual suspects. Of course i'd love to hear Parachute woman or She smiled sweetly and I think that to throw Till the next goodbye or Out of time in the list instead of Wild horses or Iorr once in a while could do no harm to the crescendo

Fact is that Mick thinks and design the setlist as a crescendo plus he is the one that sings (has to remember the lyrics) and feel more comfortable if he does not have to "think" about the lyrics and focus on the "working the crowd part" with his body and choreography. That is why he, and they, need a "safe" setlist at this point and at their age.

Fact is that it works very well on most nights and I have never left a gig unsatisfied (1990, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2012, 2014)

Post scriptum: I have seen the whole MR for Adelaide





so may I enlist among the "Lame Crowd Moaners"? It's incredible to see the work of Mick and the band AND all those people standing motionless, arms folded and silent... but hey, I'm italian and was at the Circo Massimo..

I was SHOCKED to see a couple in row ten sitting down throught all of Midnight Rambler while Jagger worked the crowd on the catwalk only a few feet away and Taylor was TEARING it up on guitar. WTF?
I was jumping out of my skin at that moment.
They were wearing the VIP lanyards, as were many near the front, all of which seemed to be spectators rather than participants of the concert. Why does jagger work so hard if he wants us to sit there moitionless...
But that's the kind of crowd you get up front with tickets at those prices.