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stonehearted
Well Keith said "recorded" which I would take to mean "committed to tape". It's controversial here because we've only heard about the Some Girls versions. Who knows what else they've got locked away in the vault? We haven't heard every take of every session by any stretch.
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Doxa
Like I said I have some diffuculties in trying to be 'objective' about "Start Me Up" (or TATTOO YOU altogether), since it obviously means that much to me. It was a perfect introductionary song for fresh ears.
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stonehearted
<<The only statement that comes close to 1975 is a statement by Richards from 1981 where he says that they recorded the track '5 years ago'.>>
Actually, I like that source even better. Thanks for clearing that up. Black and Blue sessions it is then. At least in terms of origins and such. So that's why so many think it originates from B&B--because one of its composers indeed confirmed it before too much time had passed to muddle the memory banks.
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Okay, let's. Here is a 2004 article and interview with Chris Kimsey published with Sound On Sound (SOS). SOS writer Richard Buskin actually sat down and talked with the actual Chris Kimsey and this is what he actually wrote in the actual article:
"The definitive latter-day Stones rocker, 'Start Me Up' is distinguished — like many of the band's other classic tracks — by an instantly recognisable opening guitar riff. However, it actually started life as a reggae song, committed to tape in March 1975 during the Black & Blue sessions ...
But that's what Bushkin wrote, not what Kimsey said. He may have been so sure he knew that
that he didn't even ask Kimsey. It happens. Keith's autobiography lists Satisfaction
among the examples of open-G tuning, but it sure as hell wasn't Keith who said that.
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Doxa - have you ever seen someone do The Mick when UOTNight or LIStrong comes on like they do with Start Me Up?
NO! is the correct answer! That's how impressive SMU was when it came out and continues to be to this day. Aside from the fact that it's a dumb song lyrically musically it's one of those bash you over the head tunes. They've not had an impressive opening riff song since SMU with that impact... especially as a single.
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Doxa - have you ever seen someone do The Mick when UOTNight or LIStrong comes on like they do with Start Me Up?
NO! is the correct answer! That's how impressive SMU was when it came out and continues to be to this day. Aside from the fact that it's a dumb song lyrically musically it's one of those bash you over the head tunes. They've not had an impressive opening riff song since SMU with that impact... especially as a single.
And only Satisfaction and JJF can compete with it from their back catalogue, imo.
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Doxa - have you ever seen someone do The Mick when UOTNight or LIStrong comes on like they do with Start Me Up?
NO! is the correct answer! That's how impressive SMU was when it came out and continues to be to this day. Aside from the fact that it's a dumb song lyrically musically it's one of those bash you over the head tunes. They've not had an impressive opening riff song since SMU with that impact... especially as a single.
And only Satisfaction and JJF can compete with it from their back catalogue, imo.
Eh, you really need to include Brown Sugar in that. I find Brown Sugar to be their most identifying song regarding their biggest hits. I know Satisfaction put them on the map but Brown Sugar has something that's beyond incredible.
But essentially you're right! Somehow I find Satisfaction to be incredibly boring... gee, I wonder why. Which is sort of funny. It's been on the radio for ages, on comps, and yet live they've never come close to playing it the way they recorded it.
And the best live performance of it was the 1969 tour, at least in regard to what I've heard of it live. Not sure I've heard a 1971 version of it.
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GasLightStreet
Perhaps the Stones have more 'nah, wipe it' tracks laying about that are potential hits. That's their problem - they've been relying on doing things in a planned way instead of just winging something.
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Perhaps the Stones have more 'nah, wipe it' tracks laying about that are potential hits. That's their problem - they've been relying on doing things in a planned way instead of just winging something.
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Mathijs
My own guess is that the material that is out on bootlegs or trading circles is not even 10% of what is available in the vaults.
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GasLightStreet
The SOME GIRLS extra disc alone was a joke considering what was left off of it from the SG sessions and then they include ER session tracks?
And they picked mostly borrrrring tracks to put on it?
Kimsey said there were 20 that he had. So maybe Mick worked on 20. Regardless, I'd like to hear what wasn't released on TATTOO YOU.
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The SOME GIRLS extra disc alone was a joke considering what was left off of it from the SG sessions and then they include ER session tracks?
And they picked mostly borrrrring tracks to put on it?
Kimsey said there were 20 that he had. So maybe Mick worked on 20. Regardless, I'd like to hear what wasn't released on TATTOO YOU.
Claudine and We had It All were a ER session-tracks. Tallahassee Lassie was in between sessions, straight after the SG-tour. The rest was from the SG-sessions, no?
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The SOME GIRLS extra disc alone was a joke considering what was left off of it from the SG sessions and then they include ER session tracks?
And they picked mostly borrrrring tracks to put on it?
Kimsey said there were 20 that he had. So maybe Mick worked on 20. Regardless, I'd like to hear what wasn't released on TATTOO YOU.
Claudine and We had It All were a ER session-tracks. Tallahassee Lassie was in between sessions, straight after the SG-tour. The rest was from the SG-sessions, no?
Anything post-SG sessions was ER sessions! The 26th August - 6th September: Los Angeles, RCA Studios sessions have Summer Romance and Where The Boys Go. The January 1979 ER sessions they were in the Bahamas, which Bill said not much was done, and I'm guessing he means 'finished', but that's where All About You, Little T&A, Think I'm Going Mad and She's So Cold is from, regardless of being finished.
We Had It All is from the June 1979 session.
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The SOME GIRLS extra disc alone was a joke considering what was left off of it from the SG sessions and then they include ER session tracks?
And they picked mostly borrrrring tracks to put on it?
Kimsey said there were 20 that he had. So maybe Mick worked on 20. Regardless, I'd like to hear what wasn't released on TATTOO YOU.
Claudine and We had It All were a ER session-tracks. Tallahassee Lassie was in between sessions, straight after the SG-tour. The rest was from the SG-sessions, no?
Anything post-SG sessions was ER sessions! The 26th August - 6th September: Los Angeles, RCA Studios sessions have Summer Romance and Where The Boys Go. The January 1979 ER sessions they were in the Bahamas, which Bill said not much was done, and I'm guessing he means 'finished', but that's where All About You, Little T&A, Think I'm Going Mad and She's So Cold is from, regardless of being finished.
We Had It All is from the June 1979 session.
Well, I suppose you can say that they became part of the ER sessions, but they weren't meant to be..
All About You was the last song they finished on the ER sessions, btw.
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Rockman
Jump Back liner notes ...............
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Silver Dagger
So I guess this clears that little point up. It originates from the Munich sessions in 75.
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stonehearted
Why is it that this "wrong information" is so widely disseminated?
Because of the wrong information on the notes of the Jump Back compilation.
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RomanCandle
Am I the only one who doesn't like this song?