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BroomWagon
Someone should post a link of this "Around and Around" compilation. I once had a German cassette that I really enjoyed of RS music.
[www.gemm.com]
Perhaps this one.
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BroomWagon
Someone should post a link of this "Around and Around" compilation. I once had a German cassette that I really enjoyed of RS music.
[www.gemm.com]
Perhaps this one.
It's a beauty indeed.
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Yeah, 63-68 is not really a musical era, imo. 63-65 is, 66-67 is and late 67 is another, if we're being ultra-categoric. Some of the 68 stuff is an extension of Satanic whilst the rest on BB is a taste of what to come on LIB. All in my humble opinion, of course.
And yes, I love all these eras!
I do agree that 1963-68 is not one, but two periods and the beginning of a third. The first is their R&B period, of which ROLLING STONES vol 1 and the German Decca's compilation AROUND AND AROUND make up this period's Golden era. Not quite as much, maybe, ROLLING STONES vol 2. In my understanding, possibly not yours, Dandelion, OUT OF OUR HEADS (UK) constitutes a transitional album with its two major soul/ gospel songs on one hand and the beginning of their own kind of more rock oriented songs on the other. I think that the importance of those covers before OUT OF OUR HEADS involved here in the R&B period are not acknowledged, and that those covers are not gaining the appreciation here that they ought to have. Period two, which also is their Golden era two, is comprised by their '60s noisy, at the same time both rock and pop singles AND their three experimentative pop studio albums AFTERMATH, BETWEEN THE BUTTONS and THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST. And while I have learnt by threads here that important, may I call it "methodological", conditions for what was to follow were laid down in this second period, I belong to those who will operate with a break in their development with BEGGARS BANQUET. If anything, I consider the song "Child of the Moon" to have a transitional character.
My own roots as a listener to Rolling Stones music lie in the first period. And to some extent I find those two first periods often fresher than the third '68-'72- period, much as also I love that Golden era three.
To me the period starting with SOME GIRLS and ending with UNDERCOVER represents s fourth Golden era. However, on top of that I consider their latest two studio albums to be, not quite a golden era. But I look upon BRIDGES TO BABYLON and A BIGGER BANG as verging on the semi-great. Consequently, I would very much have liked the Stones now to make not only one studio album, but more than one.
So when there are three stanzas, 1) fans that hold the '68 -'72 to be the one and only Golden era, 2) fans that claim the whole of or parts of '63 - '67 as Golden era(s), and not the following period, I myself really belong to those that 3) stand for a multi Golden peak perspective. However, I will say that I am specially fond of the periods contained in '63 - '67.
I don't necessarily disagree, Witness.
While soul isn't exactly the same as rhythm and blues, I think it belongs to the same "era". And let's not forget the soul and gospel numbers on their first album: You Can Make It If You Try, Can I Get A Witness, Now I Got A Witness.
A german compilation, lovely as it is, can't be used to define an era. It's too obscure, imo. If we bring in the EPs into this, we'll find that they too consist of soul numbers together with the rhythm and blues tracks (Pain In My Heart, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love etc.).
PS: And If You Need Me is of course included on Around And Around
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Yeah, 63-68 is not really a musical era, imo. 63-65 is, 66-67 is and late 67 is another, if we're being ultra-categoric. Some of the 68 stuff is an extension of Satanic whilst the rest on BB is a taste of what to come on LIB. All in my humble opinion, of course.
And yes, I love all these eras!
I do agree that 1963-68 is not one, but two periods and the beginning of a third. The first is their R&B period, of which ROLLING STONES vol 1 and the German Decca's compilation AROUND AND AROUND make up this period's Golden era. Not quite as much, maybe, ROLLING STONES vol 2. In my understanding, possibly not yours, Dandelion, OUT OF OUR HEADS (UK) constitutes a transitional album with its two major soul/ gospel songs on one hand and the beginning of their own kind of more rock oriented songs on the other. I think that the importance of those covers before OUT OF OUR HEADS involved here in the R&B period are not acknowledged, and that those covers are not gaining the appreciation here that they ought to have. Period two, which also is their Golden era two, is comprised by their '60s noisy, at the same time both rock and pop singles AND their three experimentative pop studio albums AFTERMATH, BETWEEN THE BUTTONS and THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST. And while I have learnt by threads here that important, may I call it "methodological", conditions for what was to follow were laid down in this second period, I belong to those who will operate with a break in their development with BEGGARS BANQUET. If anything, I consider the song "Child of the Moon" to have a transitional character.
My own roots as a listener to Rolling Stones music lie in the first period. And to some extent I find those two first periods often fresher than the third '68-'72- period, much as also I love that Golden era three.
To me the period starting with SOME GIRLS and ending with UNDERCOVER represents s fourth Golden era. However, on top of that I consider their latest two studio albums to be, not quite a golden era. But I look upon BRIDGES TO BABYLON and A BIGGER BANG as verging on the semi-great. Consequently, I would very much have liked the Stones now to make not only one studio album, but more than one.
So when there are three stanzas, 1) fans that hold the '68 -'72 to be the one and only Golden era, 2) fans that claim the whole of or parts of '63 - '67 as Golden era(s), and not the following period, I myself really belong to those that 3) stand for a multi Golden peak perspective. However, I will say that I am specially fond of the periods contained in '63 - '67.
I don't necessarily disagree, Witness.
While soul isn't exactly the same as rhythm and blues, I think it belongs to the same "era". And let's not forget the soul and gospel numbers on their first album: You Can Make It If You Try, Can I Get A Witness, Now I Got A Witness.
A german compilation, lovely as it is, can't be used to define an era. It's too obscure, imo. If we bring in the EPs into this, we'll find that they too consist of soul numbers together with the rhythm and blues tracks (Pain In My Heart, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love etc.).
PS: And If You Need Me is of course included on Around And Around
I agree on your view that a compilation as such cannot contribute to define an era. But the material on it might. My reference to that compilation was one short form of reference (I was writing on a phone) to the first two EPs minus one track ("Money" ), plus the single A-side "Not Fade Away" and the single " It's All Over Now" / "Good Times, Bad Times".
I am not trying to say that there is not involved soul in releases before OUT OF OUR HEADS. They were a R&B band that also featured soul and soul/gospel. Rather I tried to say that on OUT OF OUR HEADS they continued to feature soul/gospel numbers there, ("That's How Strong My Love Is" and "Cry to Me" ), plus the more or less soul song "Have Mercy" and in addition their upcoming brand of rock. That combination made me say that it was a transitional album, which of course might be contested, but that is my view.
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BroomWagon
Shine a light, that's gospel like, I'm not sure of some of the other songs mentioned.
Give it one more try? Gospel or Soul? Again sounds like a judgement call. If you really want to be my friend, now that's soul.
Not fade away, Round and Round. Now that's Rock 'n' Roll.
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BroomWagon
Enjoyed the Stones' country songs from back then, I don't really care for "Faraway Eyes" that much but "Wild Horses" and "I'm moving on" are excellent. Ray Charles recorded it as well and it made the R & B charts.
I'm not positive where the Rolling Stones'version of Route 66 falls, I guess just pop.
That big eight-wheeler rollin' down the track
Means your true-lovin' daddy ain't comin' back
I'm movin' on, I'll soon be gone
You were flyin' too high for my little old sky so I'm movin' on
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Enjoyed the Stones' country songs from back then, I don't really care for "Faraway Eyes" that much but "Wild Horses" and "I'm moving on" are excellent. Ray Charles recorded it as well and it made the R & B charts.
I'm not positive where the Rolling Stones'version of Route 66 falls, I guess just pop.
That big eight-wheeler rollin' down the track
Means your true-lovin' daddy ain't comin' back
I'm movin' on, I'll soon be gone
You were flyin' too high for my little old sky so I'm movin' on
High And Dry might be their first self-penned country tune?
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BroomWagon
Shine a light, that's gospel like, I'm not sure of some of the other songs mentioned.
Give it one more try? Gospel or Soul? Again sounds like a judgement call. If you really want to be my friend, now that's soul.
Not fade away, Round and Round. Now that's Rock 'n' Roll.
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While this Between the Buttons review acknowledges Bob Dylan, definitely American, it makes this point:Quote
The Dylan-esque quality is notable as well as the churchy Hammond organ meshing with the almost reverential tone. Definitely a departure for the Stones. The latter song typically criticizes a woman, but there's a very playful quality in both Jagger's voice and the instrumentation and playing: a banjo/sitar, ragged piano, harmonica, and kazoo. (There's also some fun, purposefully bad notes by Richards, and a sped-up ending) It's a fantastic combination of the Beatles, the Kinks, and the Bonzo Dog Band, and echoes England's great music hall tradition. The same mix permeates the wonderfully playful "Something Happened to Me Yesterday," one of their most underrated songs (and even more reminiscent of the Beatles).
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Between the Buttons, is an absolutely wonderful ablum. Here the boys have abandoned the American R&B and Blues infused rock of their earlier releases and instead opt for a more Swinging London sound which makes takes like 'Let Spend the Night Together' and 'Ruby Tuesday' sound postivitely wonderful.
[www.amazon.com]
Maybe a lot of this is saying is when the success later on came along, they lost the last vestiges of their Englishness. They were a Brit Invasion band.
Sure, the Beatles had an Everly Brothers sound, recorded a lot of American music but were still that band from Liverpool.
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The last (and greatest) of an amazing four album cycle that began when they turned their backs on allowing their musical choices to be dictated by a pointless competition with the Beatles, "Exile on Main St." is one of the most thrilling commentaries on the decay of 1960s optimism and hippie squalor as refracted through an thorough immersion in American music in general -- and the blues very much in particular.
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These were amazon.com reviews but I think in some cases, they just post reviews from both UK and USA.
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1966 was a great year for British pop music, and 'Aftermath' has to be one of the finest albums of that vintage year.
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DandelionPowderman
Yeah, 63-68 is not really a musical era, imo.
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BroomWagon
Someone should post a link of this "Around and Around" compilation. I once had a German cassette that I really enjoyed of RS music.
[www.gemm.com]
Perhaps this one.
It's a beauty indeed.
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BroomWagon
Shine a light, that's gospel like, I'm not sure of some of the other songs mentioned.
Give it one more try? Gospel or Soul? Again sounds like a judgement call. If you really want to be my friend, now that's soul.
Not fade away, Round and Round. Now that's Rock 'n' Roll.
Only with the qualification, that "Around And Around" as a rock song, in my personally view, is played in a R&B way, something which adds immensely to the studio version of that song.
[By the way, "If You Really Want to Be My Friend" I myself usually consider as a soul/gospel song.]
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DandelionPowderman
IMO, those songs are up there with the best they ever wrote, Nikkei.
It is the Stones's pop era, no doubt about that. Love those songs, love Aftermath.
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Someone should post a link of this "Around and Around" compilation. I once had a German cassette that I really enjoyed of RS music.
[www.gemm.com]
Perhaps this one.
It's a beauty indeed.
I had an album similar to this but not this one exactly.
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IMO, those songs are up there with the best they ever wrote, Nikkei.
It is the Stones's pop era, no doubt about that. Love those songs, love Aftermath.
Now that we're talking about it, I recall a few years ago going to a 'Stones Themed' night at a pub/club and they had about 20 bands come out and each do one stones songs...LOTS from the pop era, say 65-67. Absolutely fantastic.
Deep cuts too, like Connection...just a fab night.
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DandelionPowderman
Did it have a different title, with the same songs - or just almost the same collection of songs?