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Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Date: August 12, 2014 10:50

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BroomWagon
Someone should post a link of this "Around and Around" compilation. I once had a German cassette that I really enjoyed of RS music.

[www.gemm.com]

Perhaps this one.

It's a beauty indeed.




Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: CaptainCorella ()
Date: August 12, 2014 10:58

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DandelionPowderman
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BroomWagon
Someone should post a link of this "Around and Around" compilation. I once had a German cassette that I really enjoyed of RS music.

[www.gemm.com]

Perhaps this one.

It's a beauty indeed.




This album is truly fantastic. I remember buying it in the UK when I chanced upon it (then brand new import) in a record shop and worrying for ages if I could really afford the 1pound 10shillings cost! My copy is the French version.

The main thing I learned from this album was that there could be more than one version of a recorded & released song. For many (many) years this was the only (legal) way to get hold of the extended version of '2120 South Michigan Avenue'.

And I loved the extended version even before I found out that the added player was Muddy Waters.

Captain Corella

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: BroomWagon ()
Date: August 12, 2014 10:58

At work, we sometimes play a satellite channel of oldies and as I've said before, in parts of the USA, oldies has a following with Mexican-Americans and the lowrider culture so a lot of the songs are standards and I'd listen to it and think, that's really good. That's why a few times on that youtube thread, I've posted old rock 'n' roll numbers, even some that sound kind of schmaltzy like the Poni-Tails or other songs including Doo Wop. Saw Graceland, oldies radio stations are fairly common in the USA as well. Fats Domino, Chuck Berry, I even got a CD not long ago of Little Richard, Gene Vincent and so on.

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: Witness ()
Date: August 12, 2014 11:13

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DandelionPowderman
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Witness
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DandelionPowderman
Yeah, 63-68 is not really a musical era, imo. 63-65 is, 66-67 is and late 67 is another, if we're being ultra-categoric. Some of the 68 stuff is an extension of Satanic whilst the rest on BB is a taste of what to come on LIB. All in my humble opinion, of course.

And yes, I love all these eras!

I do agree that 1963-68 is not one, but two periods and the beginning of a third. The first is their R&B period, of which ROLLING STONES vol 1 and the German Decca's compilation AROUND AND AROUND make up this period's Golden era. Not quite as much, maybe, ROLLING STONES vol 2. In my understanding, possibly not yours, Dandelion, OUT OF OUR HEADS (UK) constitutes a transitional album with its two major soul/ gospel songs on one hand and the beginning of their own kind of more rock oriented songs on the other. I think that the importance of those covers before OUT OF OUR HEADS involved here in the R&B period are not acknowledged, and that those covers are not gaining the appreciation here that they ought to have. Period two, which also is their Golden era two, is comprised by their '60s noisy, at the same time both rock and pop singles AND their three experimentative pop studio albums AFTERMATH, BETWEEN THE BUTTONS and THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST. And while I have learnt by threads here that important, may I call it "methodological", conditions for what was to follow were laid down in this second period, I belong to those who will operate with a break in their development with BEGGARS BANQUET. If anything, I consider the song "Child of the Moon" to have a transitional character.

My own roots as a listener to Rolling Stones music lie in the first period. And to some extent I find those two first periods often fresher than the third '68-'72- period, much as also I love that Golden era three.

To me the period starting with SOME GIRLS and ending with UNDERCOVER represents s fourth Golden era. However, on top of that I consider their latest two studio albums to be, not quite a golden era. But I look upon BRIDGES TO BABYLON and A BIGGER BANG as verging on the semi-great. Consequently, I would very much have liked the Stones now to make not only one studio album, but more than one.

So when there are three stanzas, 1) fans that hold the '68 -'72 to be the one and only Golden era, 2) fans that claim the whole of or parts of '63 - '67 as Golden era(s), and not the following period, I myself really belong to those that 3) stand for a multi Golden peak perspective. However, I will say that I am specially fond of the periods contained in '63 - '67.

I don't necessarily disagree, Witness.

While soul isn't exactly the same as rhythm and blues, I think it belongs to the same "era". And let's not forget the soul and gospel numbers on their first album: You Can Make It If You Try, Can I Get A Witness, Now I Got A Witness.

A german compilation, lovely as it is, can't be used to define an era. It's too obscure, imo. If we bring in the EPs into this, we'll find that they too consist of soul numbers together with the rhythm and blues tracks (Pain In My Heart, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love etc.).

PS: And If You Need Me is of course included on Around And Around smiling smiley

I agree on your view that a compilation as such cannot contribute to define an era. But the material on it might. My reference to that compilation was one short form of reference (I was writing on a phone) to the first two EPs minus one track ("Money" ), plus the single A-side "Not Fade Away" and the single " It's All Over Now" / "Good Times, Bad Times".

I am not trying to say that there is not involved soul in releases before OUT OF OUR HEADS. They were a R&B band that also featured soul and soul/gospel. Rather I tried to say that on OUT OF OUR HEADS they continued to feature soul/gospel numbers there, ("That's How Strong My Love Is" and "Cry to Me" ), plus the more or less soul song "Have Mercy" and in addition their upcoming brand of rock. That combination made me say that it was a transitional album, which of course might be contested, but that is my view.

Added: Sometimes I write so slowly that what I have to say, has in part been covered in the meantime by other posts.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-08-12 11:18 by Witness.

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Date: August 12, 2014 11:16

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Witness
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DandelionPowderman
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Witness
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DandelionPowderman
Yeah, 63-68 is not really a musical era, imo. 63-65 is, 66-67 is and late 67 is another, if we're being ultra-categoric. Some of the 68 stuff is an extension of Satanic whilst the rest on BB is a taste of what to come on LIB. All in my humble opinion, of course.

And yes, I love all these eras!

I do agree that 1963-68 is not one, but two periods and the beginning of a third. The first is their R&B period, of which ROLLING STONES vol 1 and the German Decca's compilation AROUND AND AROUND make up this period's Golden era. Not quite as much, maybe, ROLLING STONES vol 2. In my understanding, possibly not yours, Dandelion, OUT OF OUR HEADS (UK) constitutes a transitional album with its two major soul/ gospel songs on one hand and the beginning of their own kind of more rock oriented songs on the other. I think that the importance of those covers before OUT OF OUR HEADS involved here in the R&B period are not acknowledged, and that those covers are not gaining the appreciation here that they ought to have. Period two, which also is their Golden era two, is comprised by their '60s noisy, at the same time both rock and pop singles AND their three experimentative pop studio albums AFTERMATH, BETWEEN THE BUTTONS and THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST. And while I have learnt by threads here that important, may I call it "methodological", conditions for what was to follow were laid down in this second period, I belong to those who will operate with a break in their development with BEGGARS BANQUET. If anything, I consider the song "Child of the Moon" to have a transitional character.

My own roots as a listener to Rolling Stones music lie in the first period. And to some extent I find those two first periods often fresher than the third '68-'72- period, much as also I love that Golden era three.

To me the period starting with SOME GIRLS and ending with UNDERCOVER represents s fourth Golden era. However, on top of that I consider their latest two studio albums to be, not quite a golden era. But I look upon BRIDGES TO BABYLON and A BIGGER BANG as verging on the semi-great. Consequently, I would very much have liked the Stones now to make not only one studio album, but more than one.

So when there are three stanzas, 1) fans that hold the '68 -'72 to be the one and only Golden era, 2) fans that claim the whole of or parts of '63 - '67 as Golden era(s), and not the following period, I myself really belong to those that 3) stand for a multi Golden peak perspective. However, I will say that I am specially fond of the periods contained in '63 - '67.

I don't necessarily disagree, Witness.

While soul isn't exactly the same as rhythm and blues, I think it belongs to the same "era". And let's not forget the soul and gospel numbers on their first album: You Can Make It If You Try, Can I Get A Witness, Now I Got A Witness.

A german compilation, lovely as it is, can't be used to define an era. It's too obscure, imo. If we bring in the EPs into this, we'll find that they too consist of soul numbers together with the rhythm and blues tracks (Pain In My Heart, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love etc.).

PS: And If You Need Me is of course included on Around And Around smiling smiley

I agree on your view that a compilation as such cannot contribute to define an era. But the material on it might. My reference to that compilation was one short form of reference (I was writing on a phone) to the first two EPs minus one track ("Money" ), plus the single A-side "Not Fade Away" and the single " It's All Over Now" / "Good Times, Bad Times".

I am not trying to say that there is not involved soul in releases before OUT OF OUR HEADS. They were a R&B band that also featured soul and soul/gospel. Rather I tried to say that on OUT OF OUR HEADS they continued to feature soul/gospel numbers there, ("That's How Strong My Love Is" and "Cry to Me" ), plus the more or less soul song "Have Mercy" and in addition their upcoming brand of rock. That combination made me say that it was a transitional album, which of course might be contested, but that is my view.

I agree with that, and when we watch the TAMI-show we see why. The musicians they admired already had the soul down, and soon after, the Stones would be covering Hitch-Hike, We Got A Good Thing Going etc.

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: BroomWagon ()
Date: August 12, 2014 16:41

Shine a light, that's gospel like, I'm not sure of some of the other songs mentioned.

Give it one more try? Gospel or Soul? Again sounds like a judgement call. If you really want to be my friend, now that's soul.

Not fade away, Round and Round. Now that's Rock 'n' Roll.

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Date: August 12, 2014 16:51

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BroomWagon
Shine a light, that's gospel like, I'm not sure of some of the other songs mentioned.

Give it one more try? Gospel or Soul? Again sounds like a judgement call. If you really want to be my friend, now that's soul.

Not fade away, Round and Round. Now that's Rock 'n' Roll.

Agree on all accounts thumbs up

A little gospel feel on Just Wanna See His Face as well, imo.

It's funny, at the back of the AAA-album, the music styles of each song is described. NFA is "limbo" and Around And Around is "Shake" grinning smiley

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: runaway ()
Date: August 12, 2014 17:05

The music you have grown up as a teenager is of importance for later years and for me it was Tell Me-It's All Over Now-Paint It Black - 19TH Nervous Breakdown and Saticfaction that nailed it for me at the time. Besides the outstanding " Aftermath and Beggars Banquet Vinyls" I enjoyed Big Hits "High Tide and Green Grass" and "Through The Past Darkly". From 1969 on into the Seventies with more great vinyls: Let It Bleed-Sticky Fingers-Exile-Goats Head Soup and It's Only Rock' Roll and yes all the Stones Sixties Vinyls are in my collection.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-08-13 15:00 by runaway.

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: BroomWagon ()
Date: August 12, 2014 17:12

Enjoyed the Stones' country songs from back then, I don't really care for "Faraway Eyes" that much but "Wild Horses" and "I'm moving on" are excellent. Ray Charles recorded it as well and it made the R & B charts.

I'm not positive where the Rolling Stones'version of Route 66 falls, I guess just pop.


That big eight-wheeler rollin' down the track
Means your true-lovin' daddy ain't comin' back
I'm movin' on, I'll soon be gone
You were flyin' too high for my little old sky so I'm movin' on

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Date: August 12, 2014 17:16

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BroomWagon
Enjoyed the Stones' country songs from back then, I don't really care for "Faraway Eyes" that much but "Wild Horses" and "I'm moving on" are excellent. Ray Charles recorded it as well and it made the R & B charts.

I'm not positive where the Rolling Stones'version of Route 66 falls, I guess just pop.


That big eight-wheeler rollin' down the track
Means your true-lovin' daddy ain't comin' back
I'm movin' on, I'll soon be gone
You were flyin' too high for my little old sky so I'm movin' on

High And Dry might be their first self-penned country tune?

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: RobertJohnson ()
Date: August 12, 2014 17:52

I like 62-65, particularly the Chess era ... It ended with Out of Our Heads. The pop 66-67 era is trash in my opinion with some marvelous exceptions to be found on Aftermath and Compilations like Flowers (Sittin' on a Fence e.g.). Beggars Banquet is the resurrection album of a RB-Band.

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: August 12, 2014 18:00

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DandelionPowderman
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BroomWagon
Enjoyed the Stones' country songs from back then, I don't really care for "Faraway Eyes" that much but "Wild Horses" and "I'm moving on" are excellent. Ray Charles recorded it as well and it made the R & B charts.

I'm not positive where the Rolling Stones'version of Route 66 falls, I guess just pop.


That big eight-wheeler rollin' down the track
Means your true-lovin' daddy ain't comin' back
I'm movin' on, I'll soon be gone
You were flyin' too high for my little old sky so I'm movin' on

High And Dry might be their first self-penned country tune?

I enjoy that one...I have it on a 'Stones Country' disc I made.

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Date: August 12, 2014 18:02

thumbs up

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: Witness ()
Date: August 12, 2014 19:42

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BroomWagon
Shine a light, that's gospel like, I'm not sure of some of the other songs mentioned.

Give it one more try? Gospel or Soul? Again sounds like a judgement call. If you really want to be my friend, now that's soul.

Not fade away, Round and Round. Now that's Rock 'n' Roll.

Only with the qualification, that "Around And Around" as a rock song, in my personally view, is played in a R&B way, something which adds immensely to the studio version of that song.

[By the way, "If You Really Want to Be My Friend" I myself usually consider as a soul/gospel song.]

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: Aquamarine ()
Date: August 12, 2014 20:23

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BroomWagon
While this Between the Buttons review acknowledges Bob Dylan, definitely American, it makes this point:
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The Dylan-esque quality is notable as well as the churchy Hammond organ meshing with the almost reverential tone. Definitely a departure for the Stones. The latter song typically criticizes a woman, but there's a very playful quality in both Jagger's voice and the instrumentation and playing: a banjo/sitar, ragged piano, harmonica, and kazoo. (There's also some fun, purposefully bad notes by Richards, and a sped-up ending) It's a fantastic combination of the Beatles, the Kinks, and the Bonzo Dog Band, and echoes England's great music hall tradition. The same mix permeates the wonderfully playful "Something Happened to Me Yesterday," one of their most underrated songs (and even more reminiscent of the Beatles).

[www.amazon.com]

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Between the Buttons, is an absolutely wonderful ablum. Here the boys have abandoned the American R&B and Blues infused rock of their earlier releases and instead opt for a more Swinging London sound which makes takes like 'Let Spend the Night Together' and 'Ruby Tuesday' sound postivitely wonderful.

[www.amazon.com]

Maybe a lot of this is saying is when the success later on came along, they lost the last vestiges of their Englishness. They were a Brit Invasion band.

Sure, the Beatles had an Everly Brothers sound, recorded a lot of American music but were still that band from Liverpool.

More on Exile:

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The last (and greatest) of an amazing four album cycle that began when they turned their backs on allowing their musical choices to be dictated by a pointless competition with the Beatles, "Exile on Main St." is one of the most thrilling commentaries on the decay of 1960s optimism and hippie squalor as refracted through an thorough immersion in American music in general -- and the blues very much in particular.

[www.amazon.com]

These were amazon.com reviews but I think in some cases, they just post reviews from both UK and USA.

For Aftermath:

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1966 was a great year for British pop music, and 'Aftermath' has to be one of the finest albums of that vintage year.

[www.amazon.co.uk]

Well, these reviews are only written by people like us, and there seems to be a confused sense of the timeline--as if they're saying they started off British, as a British invasion band, then turned American. But before they invaded anywhere, they were a blues band playing 100% American music. So . . ?

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: drbryant ()
Date: August 12, 2014 20:49

The "era" from Beggars Banquet to Exile, with the JJF and HTW singles, the Ya-Ya's and Brussels Affair live albums, and the ladies and Gentlemen film, represent the best any rock and roll band has ever been. The "era" that followed it, which really runs from Goat's Head Soup to Undercover, and includes their two best selling studio albums, is great by any standard other than the one they set themselves pre-Exile.

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: August 12, 2014 21:05

These early years contain the whole rest of the avalanche. Of course I love them - what else?!

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: BluzDude ()
Date: August 12, 2014 21:57

While musically and technically probably not as good as the Tayler Era, it's still the time period I most enjoy listening to.

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: Nikkei ()
Date: August 12, 2014 22:56

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DandelionPowderman
Yeah, 63-68 is not really a musical era, imo.
Hot Rocks is what it is. for me at least. i vividly remember how my aunt
gave it to me on a tape for christmas. the remaining time was filled up
by my cousins singing some dreadful christmas carols. i must've been
12 by then and even though JJF (my all-time-favourite) was on there,
i am sure the sequence i mostly listened to was MLH-19NB-PIB. the tape
is all worn out there because of frequent rewinding. these 65-66 pophits
are far above beatles at least in my opinion. does this make me
the Hot Rocks kinda fan??

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Date: August 12, 2014 23:28

IMO, those songs are up there with the best they ever wrote, Nikkei.

It is the Stones's pop era, no doubt about that. Love those songs, love Aftermath.

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: BroomWagon ()
Date: August 13, 2014 03:35

Ruby Tuesday

Paint it black

Under my thumb

Just for starters, some of the best songs they've ever done.

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: BroomWagon ()
Date: August 13, 2014 04:03

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DandelionPowderman
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BroomWagon
Someone should post a link of this "Around and Around" compilation. I once had a German cassette that I really enjoyed of RS music.

[www.gemm.com]

Perhaps this one.

It's a beauty indeed.




I had an album similar to this but not this one exactly.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-08-13 04:43 by BroomWagon.

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: stonehearted ()
Date: August 13, 2014 04:12

<<i am sure the sequence i mostly listened to was MLH-19NB-PIB. does this make me
the Hot Rocks kinda fan??
>>

It kinda means you've got Green Grass growing from the High Tide--unless of course you've got to go running to the shelter of your mother's little helper, in which case you would qualify for a Lukewarm Rocks fan, depending on how much else of the Hot Rocks collection you like.

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: BroomWagon ()
Date: August 13, 2014 04:43

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Witness
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BroomWagon
Shine a light, that's gospel like, I'm not sure of some of the other songs mentioned.

Give it one more try? Gospel or Soul? Again sounds like a judgement call. If you really want to be my friend, now that's soul.

Not fade away, Round and Round. Now that's Rock 'n' Roll.

Only with the qualification, that "Around And Around" as a rock song, in my personally view, is played in a R&B way, something which adds immensely to the studio version of that song.

[By the way, "If You Really Want to Be My Friend" I myself usually consider as a soul/gospel song.]

This is why the first line of "Around and Around" sounds like it's talking about blues.

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: August 13, 2014 07:28

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DandelionPowderman
IMO, those songs are up there with the best they ever wrote, Nikkei.

It is the Stones's pop era, no doubt about that. Love those songs, love Aftermath.

Now that we're talking about it, I recall a few years ago going to a 'Stones Themed' night at a pub/club and they had about 20 bands come out and each do one stones songs...LOTS from the pop era, say 65-67. Absolutely fantastic.

Deep cuts too, like Connection...just a fab night.

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: shattered ()
Date: August 13, 2014 08:52

Complicated

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: Come On ()
Date: August 13, 2014 09:02

She Smiled Sweetly

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Date: August 13, 2014 09:49

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BroomWagon
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DandelionPowderman
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BroomWagon
Someone should post a link of this "Around and Around" compilation. I once had a German cassette that I really enjoyed of RS music.

[www.gemm.com]

Perhaps this one.

It's a beauty indeed.




I had an album similar to this but not this one exactly.

Did it have a different title, with the same songs - or just almost the same collection of songs?

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Date: August 13, 2014 09:50

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treaclefingers
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DandelionPowderman
IMO, those songs are up there with the best they ever wrote, Nikkei.

It is the Stones's pop era, no doubt about that. Love those songs, love Aftermath.

Now that we're talking about it, I recall a few years ago going to a 'Stones Themed' night at a pub/club and they had about 20 bands come out and each do one stones songs...LOTS from the pop era, say 65-67. Absolutely fantastic.

Deep cuts too, like Connection...just a fab night.

That's very cool! I can still go to clubs in Oslo where they play Aftermath from A to Z - hope it stays that way!

Re: Any Stones-fans here,who like their 1963-1968 era most?
Posted by: BroomWagon ()
Date: August 13, 2014 12:48

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DandelionPowderman

Did it have a different title, with the same songs - or just almost the same collection of songs?

One thing I know it had was a different live version of "I'm alright" from the "Got live if you want it" album. In fact, I think singing "It's alright" was more in the song than "I'm alright".

[en.wikipedia.org]

The cassette label was red. I think eventually, the cassette got wound up to tight but I enjoyed it. I believe it had other songs one might see on "More Hot Rocks". Maybe "Been a long long time", maybe "Bye Bye Johnny".

But definitely NOT 2120 Michigan Ave. I would have remembered that.

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