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As to his hands - I think a clue is how he holds them at the end of shows - really marked at the end of HP2 in his robe - often straight ahead and no finger bending .
i suspect but the end of many shows, when the adrenalin has gone down , they are really painful
You have a point. I saw a video of Steve Vai talking about auditioning for Frank Zappa's band and Vai, like him or not, a truly great player, said that Zappa had a very 'visceral' style of playing guitar. Zappa himself said that he could not use his pinky very well and found it difficult to sing and play. One day I was watching a Zappa live video and I got what Vai -- and Zappa -- were talking about.
If it was hearting like hell and he wanted to play a bit less, he would have let MT play a bit more.....
Beautifully written post
Cheers to that
For Keith I think money is totally irrelevant issue at this stage, he probably makes more money from all the royalties and record sales in 2014 than from the very expensive concert tours in 2014, in Asia the expenses per concert were about 5 million dollars... I doubt they make huge amounts of money from this tour even if they had a very good deal. In America they probably made more money. Keith wants to play live, that's what he loves to do, that's when he feels he is really alive. Plain and simple.
But that's only my opinion...
That is the most common problem for guitarist, though.
As you've cited the Costello performance as an example that illustrates what you believe to be evident damage and poor aging caused by a very unhealthy lifestyle, I'd like to respond by sharing some background info about the Feb 26, 2012 appearance w/ Costello that I found @: [www.iorr.org] Several posts report that the performance wasn’t planned and that KR was using an out-of-tune, borrowed guitar for the impromptu appearance.
Chelskeith:
…Guessing Keith hasn't played this song much, and with a guitar that ain't his and it's obviously out of tune for this song, he sounds ok, obviously could be better, but given everything going on, I think people being critical are making a judgment when they don't have all the facts…
Justin:
…I think that was Costello's guitar as we see Costello taking off to give to Keith...
Green Lady:
…By the way, another of these news reports describes Keith as being "coaxed out of the crowd" by Elvis Costello to perform. For an ad-lib on a borrowed guitar…
BTW, just a couple of days earlier on Feb 24, 2012, KR accompanied himself beautifully @ his planned performance at the Apollo theater (and, in anticipation of comments such as “Well, he’s not playing and singing at the same time…” just remember that the great BB King himself cannot now and never could do both simultaneously – and he’s never had a traumatic brain injury, either).
One last thing - just after the bigger Bang tour wrapped, Patti Hansen was diagnosed with cancer and given a 50%-50% chance of survival. In an interview, one of Keith’s daughters said that, of the entire family, he was the most devastated and an absolute wreck. I’ve also read that, for years afterward, he played very rarely or not at all (and Patti said that the home studio had long since been dismantled and repurposed). So, yes, he definitely needed to whip himself into fighting shape for the recent tours and, considering his serious brain injury, long period of dormancy and undeniably gnarled fingers, I think he's done a fantastic job of it
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-07-05 15:28 by Plink.
my suggestion would be to move
the fresh tour-spirit into a studio?
Big Al, you're right and that's exactly what we got on this European Tour!
for the sheer joy of it, i will post my favourite moment (4:02)from Waldbühne again:
i didn't have the best viewpoint and thought at first it had to be Ronnie.
but then came the duel. it made me jump down the stone wall to the lower ring
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2014-07-05 20:15 by Nikkei.
Keith did confirm in an interview, early 2000s, wish I could point you to it, that it was not the painful variety, just limits dexterity.
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Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
varilla
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Date: July 3, 2014 16:04
Do you think they are hurting? I think that he has a lot of guts for being out there playing with this problem. Do you think he takes any painkiller for his fingers?
Hats off to Keith for still getting out though...even when he doesnt need to.
Hats off to Keith for still getting out though...even when he doesnt need to.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
Koen
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Date: July 3, 2014 16:05
How on earth can someone else think they are hurting 
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
deadegad
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Date: July 3, 2014 16:21
I guess he looked at photos of Keith's fingers and has read about Keith's arthritis and other health issues. He likes playing and there is a lot of money to be made.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: July 3, 2014 17:32
I'm always reluctant to participate in these topics because it's nobody else's business and we can't possibly knowanything .
That said, the athritis type condition that Keith appearsto have suffered with (for a great many years now) is not an especially painful one and would only impede his playing in so much as it limits the flexibility in the end joint of affected fingers and makes some chord shapes a bit of a tight squeeze.
To be honest...for the way Keith plays guitar...I don't think it's such a huge issue.
[I could be completely wrong of course...which is why I probably shouldn't have posted}
That said, the athritis type condition that Keith appearsto have suffered with (for a great many years now) is not an especially painful one and would only impede his playing in so much as it limits the flexibility in the end joint of affected fingers and makes some chord shapes a bit of a tight squeeze.
To be honest...for the way Keith plays guitar...I don't think it's such a huge issue.
[I could be completely wrong of course...which is why I probably shouldn't have posted
}Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
deadegad
()
Date: July 3, 2014 17:37
I hear you Spud. This is sticky territory. I have been a critic of set list, guitar playing and ticket prices.
Yet the bottom line is : God Bless Keith! Thanks for the joy your music has given me/us.
Yet the bottom line is : God Bless Keith! Thanks for the joy your music has given me/us.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: July 3, 2014 17:46
Here's a pretty informative thread about the condition: [www.iorr.org]
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: July 3, 2014 17:49
Quote
deadegad
I hear you Spud. This is sticky territory. I have been a critic of set list, guitar playing and ticket prices.
Yet the bottom line is : God Bless Keith! Thanks for the joy your music has given me/us.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: July 3, 2014 22:53
Keith's handing in this tour? I wish he'd hand in that blue jacket instead.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
EJM
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Date: July 3, 2014 23:10
I hope He's already sent the blue jacket to late bloomer ......Quote
stonehearted
Keith's handing in this tour? I wish he'd hand in that blue jacket instead.
As to his hands - I think a clue is how he holds them at the end of shows - really marked at the end of HP2 in his robe - often straight ahead and no finger bending .
i suspect but the end of many shows, when the adrenalin has gone down , they are really painful
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: July 3, 2014 23:14
All one can ask is that Keith performs to the very-best of his ability.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
tioms
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Date: July 4, 2014 01:49
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-07-04 16:06 by tioms.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-07-04 16:06 by tioms.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
()
Date: July 4, 2014 12:14
Actually it would be interesting with a thread about his hands and also how his hands shaped his playing styles thru the years. The hands always matter and I reckon he accepts his hands - probably - cant move like they used to. I often feel that some of his greatness came from pretty stiff playing at times, very sharp, rhythmic, stabbing but beautiful, like in the mid 70s. One can almost hear how he struggled at times. And that can be good for the music. Like in the 70s. It's like his fingers never were lean or delicate but brutal.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
deadegad
()
Date: July 4, 2014 18:41
Quote
Redhotcarpet
Actually it would be interesting with a thread about his hands and also how his hands shaped his playing styles thru the years. The hands always matter and I reckon he accepts his hands - probably - cant move like they used to. I often feel that some of his greatness came from pretty stiff playing at times, very sharp, rhythmic, stabbing but beautiful, like in the mid 70s. One can almost hear how he struggled at times. And that can be good for the music. Like in the 70s. It's like his fingers never were lean or delicate but brutal.
You have a point. I saw a video of Steve Vai talking about auditioning for Frank Zappa's band and Vai, like him or not, a truly great player, said that Zappa had a very 'visceral' style of playing guitar. Zappa himself said that he could not use his pinky very well and found it difficult to sing and play. One day I was watching a Zappa live video and I got what Vai -- and Zappa -- were talking about.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
EJM
()
Date: July 4, 2014 20:04
So how is keith going to keep is chops warm until Australia ?
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
mtaylor
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Date: July 4, 2014 20:51
Quote
varilla
Do you think they are hurting? I think that he has a lot of guts for being out there playing with this problem. Do you think he takes any painkiller for his fingers?
Hats off to Keith for still getting out though...even when he doesnt need to.
If it was hearting like hell and he wanted to play a bit less, he would have let MT play a bit more.....
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
Plink
()
Date: July 4, 2014 21:10
I thought this was a thread about Keith’s hands . Guess it was inevitable that someone would feel compelled to post a “More Taylor” message…
. Guess it was inevitable that someone would feel compelled to post a “More Taylor” message…Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
Plink
()
Date: July 4, 2014 21:12
Quote
Redhotcarpet
Actually it would be interesting with a thread about his hands and also how his hands shaped his playing styles thru the years. The hands always matter and I reckon he accepts his hands - probably - cant move like they used to. I often feel that some of his greatness came from pretty stiff playing at times, very sharp, rhythmic, stabbing but beautiful, like in the mid 70s. One can almost hear how he struggled at times. And that can be good for the music. Like in the 70s. It's like his fingers never were lean or delicate but brutal.
Beautifully written post
Quote
deadegad
...Yet the bottom line is : God Bless Keith! Thanks for the joy your music has given me/us.
Cheers to that
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
rollingon
()
Date: July 4, 2014 21:35
Quote
deadegad
I guess he looked at photos of Keith's fingers and has read about Keith's arthritis and other health issues. He likes playing and there is a lot of money to be made.
For Keith I think money is totally irrelevant issue at this stage, he probably makes more money from all the royalties and record sales in 2014 than from the very expensive concert tours in 2014, in Asia the expenses per concert were about 5 million dollars... I doubt they make huge amounts of money from this tour even if they had a very good deal. In America they probably made more money. Keith wants to play live, that's what he loves to do, that's when he feels he is really alive. Plain and simple.
But that's only my opinion...
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
EJM
()
Date: July 4, 2014 21:47
Quote
rollingonQuote
deadegad
Keith wants to play live "WITH OTHER CATs" that's what he loves to do, that's when he feels he is really alive. Plain and simple.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
nightskyman
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Date: July 4, 2014 23:42
Quote
EJMQuote
rollingonQuote
deadegad
Keith wants to play live "WITH OTHER CATs" that's what he loves to do, that's when he feels he is really alive. Plain and simple.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: July 4, 2014 23:43
.....No Keith wont hand it in ... he'll be there till thee end
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
rob51
()
Date: July 5, 2014 07:42
I'm sorry but after seeing Keith play in video's such as the one with Elvis Costello I can't believe arthritis is all of Keith's troubles. I think age and a very unhealthy lifestyle did more damage than we can see and now he'll have good day's and bad. It's a combination of thing's that have caught up with the guy and how could they not after all these years? He's getting old and some just age better than other's.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: July 5, 2014 11:33
Quote
deadegadQuote
Redhotcarpet
Actually it would be interesting with a thread about his hands and also how his hands shaped his playing styles thru the years. The hands always matter and I reckon he accepts his hands - probably - cant move like they used to. I often feel that some of his greatness came from pretty stiff playing at times, very sharp, rhythmic, stabbing but beautiful, like in the mid 70s. One can almost hear how he struggled at times. And that can be good for the music. Like in the 70s. It's like his fingers never were lean or delicate but brutal.
You have a point. I saw a video of Steve Vai talking about auditioning for Frank Zappa's band and Vai, like him or not, a truly great player, said that Zappa had a very 'visceral' style of playing guitar. Zappa himself said that he could not use his pinky very well and found it difficult to sing and play. One day I was watching a Zappa live video and I got what Vai -- and Zappa -- were talking about.
That is the most common problem for guitarist, though.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: July 5, 2014 11:43
....and those who are skilled in the ancient art of weaving ...
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
Plink
()
Date: July 5, 2014 15:25
Quote
rob51
I'm sorry but after seeing Keith play in video's such as the one with Elvis Costello I can't believe arthritis is all of Keith's troubles. I think age and a very unhealthy lifestyle did more damage than we can see and now he'll have good day's and bad. It's a combination of thing's that have caught up with the guy and how could they not after all these years? He's getting old and some just age better than other's.
As you've cited the Costello performance as an example that illustrates what you believe to be evident damage and poor aging caused by a very unhealthy lifestyle, I'd like to respond by sharing some background info about the Feb 26, 2012 appearance w/ Costello that I found @: [www.iorr.org] Several posts report that the performance wasn’t planned and that KR was using an out-of-tune, borrowed guitar for the impromptu appearance.
Chelskeith:
…Guessing Keith hasn't played this song much, and with a guitar that ain't his and it's obviously out of tune for this song, he sounds ok, obviously could be better, but given everything going on, I think people being critical are making a judgment when they don't have all the facts…
Justin:
…I think that was Costello's guitar as we see Costello taking off to give to Keith...
Green Lady:
…By the way, another of these news reports describes Keith as being "coaxed out of the crowd" by Elvis Costello to perform. For an ad-lib on a borrowed guitar…
BTW, just a couple of days earlier on Feb 24, 2012, KR accompanied himself beautifully @ his planned performance at the Apollo theater (and, in anticipation of comments such as “Well, he’s not playing and singing at the same time…” just remember that the great BB King himself cannot now and never could do both simultaneously – and he’s never had a traumatic brain injury, either).
One last thing - just after the bigger Bang tour wrapped, Patti Hansen was diagnosed with cancer and given a 50%-50% chance of survival. In an interview, one of Keith’s daughters said that, of the entire family, he was the most devastated and an absolute wreck. I’ve also read that, for years afterward, he played very rarely or not at all (and Patti said that the home studio had long since been dismantled and repurposed). So, yes, he definitely needed to whip himself into fighting shape for the recent tours and, considering his serious brain injury, long period of dormancy and undeniably gnarled fingers, I think he's done a fantastic job of it
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-07-05 15:28 by Plink.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
Nikkei
()
Date: July 5, 2014 20:03
Quote
EJM
So how is keith going to keep is chops warm until Australia ?
my suggestion would be to move
the fresh tour-spirit into a studio?
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
Nikkei
()
Date: July 5, 2014 20:12
Quote
Spud
I'm always reluctant to participate in these topics because it's nobody else's business and we can't possibly knowanything .
That said, the athritis type condition that Keith appearsto have suffered with (for a great many years now) is not an especially painful one and would only impede his playing in so much as it limits the flexibility in the end joint of affected fingers and makes some chord shapes a bit of a tight squeeze.
To be honest...for the way Keith plays guitar...I don't think it's such a huge issue.
[I could be completely wrong of course...which is why I probably shouldn't have posted
Spud, i completely agree with you, why should it be anybody else's business aside from his doctor?Quote
Big Al
All one can ask is that Keith performs to the very-best of his ability.
Big Al, you're right and that's exactly what we got on this European Tour!
for the sheer joy of it, i will post my favourite moment (4:02)from Waldbühne again:
i didn't have the best viewpoint and thought at first it had to be Ronnie.
but then came the duel. it made me jump down the stone wall to the lower ring
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2014-07-05 20:15 by Nikkei.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
1cdog
()
Date: July 5, 2014 20:34
I think the brain injury from the fall out of the coconut tree has more of an impact on his playing than and arthritis to the hands.
Re: Keith hands in this tour
Posted by:
carlorossi
()
Date: July 6, 2014 04:03
Quote
Spud
That said, the athritis type condition that Keith appearsto have suffered with (for a great many years now) is not an especially painful one and would only impede his playing in so much as it limits the flexibility
Keith did confirm in an interview, early 2000s, wish I could point you to it, that it was not the painful variety, just limits dexterity.
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