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Could Keith put fairy dust on it as well? Maybe they could bring up the mix so we can really hear Dave Stewart as well.
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Could Keith put fairy dust on it as well? Maybe they could bring up the mix so we can really hear Dave Stewart as well.
capable of playing one single chord, using Delay to make it mildly interesting
Mildly interesting is a gargantuan stretch when talking about SuperLite. I mean SuperShitty.
Eh, you know what I mean. Whatever that yawn was called.
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I actually like Biggest Mistake. It's a gazillion times better than Streets Of Awful Bad.
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Watch the ABB talking about the album video, that overcooked piece of PR on the extra disc edition. Keith clearly thinks the song stinks, he's just very nice about it. He added fairy dust to it. Just another mushy Jagger solo song under the name of the Stones. Fairy dust indeed.
it seems on-topic: in my mind there exists a perfect version
of ABB. bear with me: "Biggest Mistake" (another Jagger solo)
gets omitted. "Streets of Love" becomes third single and
"Old Habits die Hard" (again: Jagger solo) becomes a Stones
song, Track 5 on ABB. to me the record would be perfect then.
and Jagger could've still used "Biggest Mistake" for Alfie.
how does that sound to you? anyone?
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All those songs, save SOL, are very good, imo. Radar is ok at best
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Of course it makes no sense to have Taylor on this and not on something like Tumbling Dice, but I'll take it. Many people (including Mick and Keith now, apparently) pigeonhole Taylor as a blues guitarist, but the man can go great things with a ballad. I just wish it was Winter and not SOL, but oh well.
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Then I speculate if extra playing time for Mick Taylor, which I strongly hope for, can more naturally be obtained on songs that have not been played live that much, many of them relatively new, where consequently less of an established way of performing the songs has developed (who plays what), and likewise on completely new songs.
I think you are a spot on here. Well, that's at least been my interpretation of their use of Taylor so far. He is used economically and pragmatically 'wisely', so little harm to normal patterns and routines as possible. "Rambler" is a loose blues jam basically; Taylor fits easily. Then we have guitar solo numbers - "Knocking", "Sway" - into which Taylor simply adds his unique contribition, and the band just backs him up, and gives him an isolated spot, the whole thing being 'extra' to their normal routines.
But If we think that "Streets of Love" - like "Slipping Away" - being actually is a sign of that approach you describe here, that also shows that the band appreciates Taylor as a musician who could do any thing needed, and not just an icon player of certain type playing on certain numbers in their past. That is, not treat him just as a 'nostalgia card'.
Anyway, having Taylor there on a number like that is really an interesting decision. It breaks, for example, their current idea of copying the originals so faithfully as possible, since Taylor, by definition, is not a player like that, but makes his unique mark on songs like he did back in his regular days. Just wish they could use his insightful musicality more, since he is able to evolve the songs into new dimensions. But maybe the problem actually is there; he is too unpredictable and adventurous. And who actually is going to expect musical experientalism when entering a Stones show these days?
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Of course it makes no sense to have Taylor on this and not on something like Tumbling Dice, but I'll take it. Many people (including Mick and Keith now, apparently) pigeonhole Taylor as a blues guitarist, but the man can go great things with a ballad. I just wish it was Winter and not SOL, but oh well.
SOL is not a favorite of my mine, but Mick seems to have an attachment to this song (and it was a big hit in Europe, or so Im told.)
Maybe he thought MickT could add something to the song, ala Winter, elevate it in some way. I always suspected Jagger missed Taylor more than any other Stone because of what MT could do with Jagger's ballads and melodies. Hence, why he invited him to play on Plundered My Soul, which has a very evocative feel to it.
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But If we think that "Streets of Love" - like "Slipping Away" - being actually is a sign of that approach you describe here, that also shows that the band appreciates Taylor as a musician who could do any thing needed, and not just an icon player of certain type playing on certain numbers in their past. That is, not treat him just as a 'nostalgia card'.
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But If we think that "Streets of Love" - like "Slipping Away" - being actually is a sign of that approach you describe here, that also shows that the band appreciates Taylor as a musician who could do any thing needed, and not just an icon player of certain type playing on certain numbers in their past. That is, not treat him just as a 'nostalgia card'.
I would second that. It`s a sign that Taylor gets a position in the band as musician and not only as speecial guest for iconic playing. In a way he takes the role of Blondie Chaplin adding acoustic or electric guitar whenever its needed or wanted.
But other than Blondie : visible , more audible and on stage !
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I do wish the Stones would do " Old Habits" live but of course it will never happen because it's a MICK tune and Keith would RATHER DIE than play it!
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But If we think that "Streets of Love" - like "Slipping Away" - being actually is a sign of that approach you describe here, that also shows that the band appreciates Taylor as a musician who could do any thing needed, and not just an icon player of certain type playing on certain numbers in their past. That is, not treat him just as a 'nostalgia card'.
I would second that. It`s a sign that Taylor gets a position in the band as musician and not only as speecial guest for iconic playing. In a way he takes the role of Blondie Chaplin adding acoustic or electric guitar whenever its needed or wanted.
But other than Blondie : visible , more audible and on stage !
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People, don't read too much into it. It's just one song, one time played so far and only a handful of shows to go. I can't see any "evolution" to speak of yet. What has become of the "three guitar attack" we discussed ad nauseum some time ago? So far, any hopes for more Taylor participation always ended in disappointment. Any move that initially looked like a step forward into the right direction (Sway, Can't You Hear Me Knocking, even Slipping Away) was always "corrected" and taken back more sooner than later, with MR remaining the only constant in Taylor's participation, apart from the acoustic guitar on Satisfaction which is little more than a joke (and indeed a sign of Taylor taking over Blondie's role, but not in a good way!).
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Some speculative thinking:
From a fan's point of view, the natural solution might be felt as, let the musicians that originally played the songs, do them now live (when that is possible).
But I have gradually begun to gather that this is probably not the natural point of view from the musicians that for years, after the departure of one guitarist, have so to speak taken care of the songs. Along that state of the art, there must have developed more or less one way of doing things. As long as the band has not thoroughy transformed into a three guitar band, which I have dreamed of, maybe it feels awkward for the band to leave the developed way of performing songs, as if that way is to be admittedly considered second rate, and turn back to the original approach to songs.
Then I speculate if extra playing time for Mick Taylor, which I strongly hope for, can more naturally be obtained on songs that have not been played live that much, many of them relatively new, where consequently less of an established way of performing the songs has developed (who plays what), and likewise on completely new songs.
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Then I speculate if extra playing time for Mick Taylor, which I strongly hope for, can more naturally be obtained on songs that have not been played live that much, many of them relatively new, where consequently less of an established way of performing the songs has developed (who plays what), and likewise on completely new songs.
I think you are a spot on here. Well, that's at least been my interpretation of their use of Taylor so far. He is used economically and pragmatically 'wisely', so little harm to normal patterns and routines as possible. "Rambler" is a loose blues jam basically; Taylor fits easily. Then we have guitar solo numbers - "Knocking", "Sway" - into which Taylor simply adds his unique contribition, and the band just backs him up, and gives him an isolated spot, the whole thing being 'extra' to their normal routines.
But If we think that "Streets of Love" - like "Slipping Away" - being actually is a sign of that approach you describe here, that also shows that the band appreciates Taylor as a musician who could do any thing needed, and not just an icon player of certain type playing on certain numbers in their past. That is, not treat him just as a 'nostalgia card'.
Anyway, having Taylor there on a number like that is really an interesting decision. It breaks, for example, their current idea of copying the originals so faithfully as possible, since Taylor, by definition, is not a player like that, but makes his unique mark on songs like he did back in his regular days. Just wish they could use his insightful musicality more, since he is able to evolve the songs into new dimensions. But maybe the problem actually is there; he is too unpredictable and adventurous. And who actually is going to expect musical experientalism when entering a Stones show these days?
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"Streets of Love" was very beautiful in Rome. I don't think any of the spectators dissliked it. au contraire!
To complain about a song on a setlist of a show one did not attend seems a bit pointless, to say the least..
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I actually like Biggest Mistake. It's a gazillion times better than Streets Of Awful Bad.
I'd say that's like, the biggest mistake of your life.
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"Streets of Love" was very beautiful in Rome. I don't think any of the spectators dissliked it. au contraire!
To complain about a song on a setlist of a show one did not attend seems a bit pointless, to say the least..
You're beating a dead horse.
Reading Dean's review I don't think he liked it so there's at least one person who attended that doesn't appear to be a fan.
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"Streets of Love" was very beautiful in Rome. I don't think any of the spectators dissliked it. au contraire!
To complain about a song on a setlist of a show one did not attend seems a bit pointless, to say the least..
You're beating a dead horse.
Reading Dean's review I don't think he liked it so there's at least one person who attended that doesn't appear to be a fan.
Wow, well if at least one person who attended didn't like it, it must have completely bombed.
If only those idiots who were singing along were told...fools eh?
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"Streets of Love" was very beautiful in Rome. I don't think any of the spectators dissliked it. au contraire!
To complain about a song on a setlist of a show one did not attend seems a bit pointless, to say the least..
You're beating a dead horse.
Reading Dean's review I don't think he liked it so there's at least one person who attended that doesn't appear to be a fan.
Wow, well if at least one person who attended didn't like it, it must have completely bombed.
If only those idiots who were singing along were told...fools eh?
I guess I should have included the wink so you knew you didn't have to waste your time responding.
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"Streets of Love" was very beautiful in Rome. I don't think any of the spectators dissliked it. au contraire!
To complain about a song on a setlist of a show one did not attend seems a bit pointless, to say the least..
You're beating a dead horse.
Reading Dean's review I don't think he liked it so there's at least one person who attended that doesn't appear to be a fan.
Wow, well if at least one person who attended didn't like it, it must have completely bombed.
If only those idiots who were singing along were told...fools eh?
I guess I should have included the wink so you knew you didn't have to waste your time responding.
Damn...I rather enjoyed that bitch-slapping...so painful to feel it come right back at me!
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"Streets of Love" was very beautiful in Rome. I don't think any of the spectators dissliked it. au contraire!
To complain about a song on a setlist of a show one did not attend seems a bit pointless, to say the least..
You're beating a dead horse.
Reading Dean's review I don't think he liked it so there's at least one person who attended that doesn't appear to be a fan.
Wow, well if at least one person who attended didn't like it, it must have completely bombed.
If only those idiots who were singing along were told...fools eh?
I guess I should have included the wink so you knew you didn't have to waste your time responding.
Damn...I rather enjoyed that bitch-slapping...so painful to feel it come right back at me!
Narcistic rubbish. Please stay on topic.
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"Streets of Love" was very beautiful in Rome. I don't think any of the spectators dissliked it. au contraire!
To complain about a song on a setlist of a show one did not attend seems a bit pointless, to say the least..
You're beating a dead horse.
Reading Dean's review I don't think he liked it so there's at least one person who attended that doesn't appear to be a fan.
Wow, well if at least one person who attended didn't like it, it must have completely bombed.
If only those idiots who were singing along were told...fools eh?
I guess I should have included the wink so you knew you didn't have to waste your time responding.
Damn...I rather enjoyed that bitch-slapping...so painful to feel it come right back at me!
Narcistic rubbish. Please stay on topic.
I thought that WAS being on topic...read the thread title again!
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You're beating a dead horse.
Reading Dean's review I don't think he liked it so there's at least one person who attended that doesn't appear to be a fan.