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Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: 1962 ()
Date: June 4, 2014 13:21

Keith is great! The heart of the band.

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: Turning To Gold ()
Date: June 4, 2014 20:01

The "way forward" for Keith -- and Jagger too, by the way -- is giant VIDEO SCREENS projecting younger, more celebrated, classic images and video of Keith, on the screen, in sync with the music, while the backing band (Chuck, Lisa Fisher, Bernard, Mick T. Tim Reis etc) perform the hits and provide the experience of seeing and hearing the "Rolling Stones" in concert.

The "ELVIS PRESLEY – ON STAGE" music experience -- in which Elvis' former backing band perform the hits live to computer-generated video images and isolated audio tracks of live Presley vocals -- has been hugely successful concert business model, for over a decade and a half.

"Using the latest technology, Elvis performs via state-of-the art video screens singing lead vocals backed by a live band, singers and an orchestra. Together, this multimedia creation puts the audience inside an Elvis Presley concert presented exactly like one of his classic live performances in a Las Vegas showroom. The contemporary staging and overall production create the illusion that Elvis is on stage for his finest concert performances."

The hologram of Tupac Shakur that recently performed at Coachella is another excellent and cutting-edge option. This technology is in the works and is being perfected as we speak.

I see no reason why the Stones could not head in this direction, after this tour. The former members of Presley's band have generated far more money for themselves, touring with the video image of Presley, than they ever earned from performing with him during his lifetime. I am sure Chuck, Lisa, Bernard, Blondie and the rest are keenly aware that this is where the money is going to be, going forward. Bringing the choir in, extending Lisa's cameo appearances, bringing back Mick Taylor for only 1 actual song. Adding new and larger video screens to the side of the stage, and extending the intro and pyro segments. You can almost see this is pretty clearly the direction that they are already heading in. When the hologram or video feed occasionally "hiccups" or gets out of sync (as on "Can't Be Seen"), notice how Bernard and the backing band are right there to jump in, find the cue and keep the show lurching forward.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-06-04 20:03 by Turning To Gold.

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: Rocky Dijon ()
Date: June 4, 2014 20:27

Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things with your multimedia suggestion, but Blondie Chaplin hasn't been part of the touring line-up for seven years now.

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: DoomandGloom ()
Date: June 4, 2014 20:34

I hate the crap The Who does with Moon on video. Great as he is MJ is only good with this band, his mates and that's how it should be.

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: latebloomer ()
Date: June 4, 2014 20:56

I can't stand the hologram thing either, it strikes me as tasteless at best and opportunistic at worst. But that's just me, I'm not particularly sentimental in that way.


Keith is the little engine that could. He keeps chugging away, doing what he needs to do to get to the top of the mountain. He might slip down a few times, but he gets there eventually in his own, unique style.

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: Happy24 ()
Date: June 4, 2014 21:17

Or maybe they can get Joe Satriani. He can play more notes than Keith, Ronnie and Mick T combined. He might play everything and those three migh each get a spot doing a solo in one song. That would be the best, right?

PS: Absolutely no offence to Joe Satriani, he is a nice guy and a great talented guitar player, just not suitable for The Stones. I think the reasons I used his name are obvious.

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: michaelsavage ()
Date: June 4, 2014 21:34

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crumbling_mice
I think we would all agree that Keith, whilst having flashes of his old self, is finding the touring hard. He is still having those moments where he seems to just blank out in songs and loses his way. Very similar to the major issue he had on stage following the surgery.

Maybe the way forward is to switch the role Taylor currently ha with Keith if they are intending to tour again. So Ronnie and Taylor are the main guitarists with Keith coming on for selected songs and the encore. He wouldn;t necessarily have to even do all the shows, but it could be the way forward if the touring is too much for the guy.

Seems that the rest of the band are having no problems at all and Ron is playing better than he has for years. Keith's health is the only thing preventing more touring and this solution could be a win win situation.

Silly and dumb

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: Fan Since 1964 ()
Date: June 4, 2014 21:57

Talk is cheap!

Been Stoned since 1964 and still am!

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: geordiestone ()
Date: June 5, 2014 22:06

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latebloomer


Keith is the little engine that could. He keeps chugging away, doing what he needs to do to get to the top of the mountain. He might slip down a few times, but he gets there eventually in his own, unique style.
Couldn't of put it better myself, well said.

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: Rokyfan ()
Date: June 5, 2014 22:17

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latebloomer


Keith is the little engine that could. He keeps chugging away, doing what he needs to do to get to the top of the mountain. He might slip down a few times, but he gets there eventually in his own, unique style.
Couldn't of put it better myself, well said.

There is a lot to these comments. He can't play what he used to, but he does what he can given his physical limitations, his way, with pride, and good for him. The opposite of that dumb hologram idea.

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: June 5, 2014 22:47

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latebloomer

Keith is the little engine that could. He keeps chugging away, doing what he needs to do to get to the top of the mountain. He might slip down a few times, but he gets there eventually in his own, unique style.

That's it. thumbs up

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Date: June 5, 2014 22:56

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His Majesty
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latebloomer

Keith is the little engine that could. He keeps chugging away, doing what he needs to do to get to the top of the mountain. He might slip down a few times, but he gets there eventually in his own, unique style.

That's it. thumbs up

+2

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: June 5, 2014 23:17

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vertigojoe
But surely this is the big secret that RS Inc desperately tries to keep quiet. Sure on this board we all know about it but i bet 95% of ticket buyers dont have a clue the Iconic Human Riff guitarist is crippled by arthritis.
The proof? Its never mentioned once in Life. You'd imagine coping with the realisation of his onsetting problems might have caused KR a few sleepless nights etc. The horror of knowing your outstanding redeeming defining feature is being taken away from you slowly. A bit like Beethoven going deaf. But no! According to Life, not even worth a mention. Never crossed his mind.


i'm far from a keith apologist,i have no problem saying what i think about keith or mick or any of the stones.but plain and simple-keith needs to get a pass on this for the exact reason vertigojoe posted above.

the fact that he gets out there and plays at all with those hands in that condition is a marvel.its as amazing as jagger moving the way he does at his age.

and he never complains about it or uses it as an excuse ,he just carries on and keeps working,it really shows his toughness and resolve.mick knows,the whole band does and they work through it.

just looking at those fingers makes my own hands hurt,his fingers are swollen to almost double their size to the point the ends nearly cover the beginning of his fingernails,you know how fcking bad that must hurt at times?

to hit a note precicely every time on something as small as a guitar neck is just not possible,it shows what a great player he is that he gets it as right as he does.when he pauses-he's setting and resetting his hands alot of the time,not "getting lost out there"he knows exactly what he's doing.

a casual fan wouldn't know any of this and probably barely notice a mistake during the excitement of the show,a "harcore fan" should understand.

Strong, perceptive posts.

I vaguely remember a Keith interview from 1988, around the time he was promoting TALK IS CHEAP, in which he mentioned something to the effect that his biggest fear is if something would happen to his hands, what he would do then? I recall that remark striking me a bit since it sounded so odd, mortal-like, not typical of him, and made me think what he really meant by it.

So if he was frank then, we might not understand or know what he might have gone through all these years, and what it takes or him to do what he does. That he still delivers, and I think good enough, in the front of the ears and eyes of thousands, is something I can only admire of. A free pass anyday, as far as I'm concerned.

- Doxa



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Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: vedran ()
Date: June 6, 2014 00:29

The way forward for al of them is - not to do huge shows.

If you still want to play at this age, do clubs and theathers only. Small venues. Youl'll probably be able to get away with everything. Bum notes, missed or whacked chords, everything.

But, they insist on stadium extravaganza. Which is a bad strategy at this point in their career, I think.

Non the less, here I am, with ticket for Vienna show, excited for a chance to say goodbye (till the next time...)

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: laertisflash ()
Date: June 6, 2014 01:13

I have to disagree, Vedran. They're still doing excellent shows anywhere, stadiums included. In addition, playing bigger venues does mean smaller total number of gigs and THAT'S the most important factor at their age, i think. Because it's the simpliest way of saving powers. Of having deeper breaths. And this has more to do with the frequency of the gigs, with how long the breaks between the concerts are, than the size of the stage. Ultimately, noone expects from Mick to move and dance from the one side of a huge stage to the other, like he did it 40 years ago.

So, honestly, i don't see why the stadiums of the current tour should be considered as "a bad stragedy". Judging from the clips (until the Rome gig...), the band delivers and makes the crowds happy, once again.

(Speaking about "bum notes", come on, in 1978 - just an example- they played much more "bum notes". In smaller venues and stadiums too...).

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: June 6, 2014 01:24

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laertisflash
I have to disagree, Vedran. They're still doing excellent shows anywhere, stadiums included. In addition, playing bigger venues does mean smaller total number of gigs and THAT'S the most important factor at their age, i think. Because it's the simpliest way of saving powers. Of having deeper breaths. And this has more to do with the frequency of the gigs, with how long the breaks between the concerts are, than the size of the stage. Ultimately, noone expects from Mick to move and dance from the one side of a huge stage to the other, like he did it 40 years ago.

So, honestly, i don't see why the stadiums of the current tour should be considered as "a bad stragedy". Judging from the clips (until the Rome gig...), the band delivers and makes the crowds happy, once again.

(Speaking about "bum notes", come on, in 1978 - just an example- they played much more "bum notes". In smaller venues and stadiums too...).

Tickets weren't $800 a piece or whatever in 1978 either.

There's that confounded "noone" again. Who is that!?



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Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: EJM ()
Date: June 6, 2014 02:29

I know I'd rather see Keith use his musicality to make the most of what he's got left, than a whole lot of technically better players but I recognise this is personal taste.

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: June 6, 2014 02:30





ROCKMAN

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: June 6, 2014 02:42

grinning smiley

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: Gooo ()
Date: June 6, 2014 03:41

Oh brother is right

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: latebloomer ()
Date: June 6, 2014 03:51

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Gooo
Oh brother is right

smiling smiley

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: RawIguanaCologne ()
Date: June 6, 2014 04:08

This hologramm stuff is really amazing...I mean, it´s a good joke, but would anybody here please stand up and say, he or she would be buying a ticket for a show some time when - god bless NOT! - one of the G Twins has passed, when you can hear Leavell, Fowler, Fisher and - maybe Ronnie! - do that kind of stuff????

I file this under jokes, you´re all kiddin, alright?

Ahoi, Raw Iguana

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: 71Tele ()
Date: June 6, 2014 06:17

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crumbling_mice
It is ridiculous from a Stones fans point of view, but for the rest of the band especially Jagger there may come a point where it doesn;t seem ridiculous and would be a massive money spinner.

When will this "point" come, when they're 80?

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: tomcasagranda ()
Date: June 6, 2014 08:52

Just about every band has played bad notes; even the Beatles in their prime played bad notes. The Stones are no exception to this, and will continue to be so.

I'm sure even a virtuoso like John McLaughlin has had an off-day. I remember watching a documentary on Renee Fleming, and she had to stop a recording of Verdi's Requiem because her singing was off.

The joy of live recordings, or live appearances, is that you have an experience, warts and all, of a band / vocalist / instrumentalist in action, and that bad notes are part of the experience.

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: crumbling_mice ()
Date: June 6, 2014 13:36

I hope it is when they are 80 Tele, but I have a feeling it could be sooner than that. I'm just grateful I got to see them one last time on this tour as I though this would never happen.


Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: Turning To Gold ()
Date: June 29, 2014 00:34

What's happening is pretty obvious, if you are a guitar player...

I was noodling around with a guitar in open G, thinking about some of the recent shows, and I realized this....


The issue is that Keith can no longer play chords that require THREE fingers, and a barre across the neck. His signature move...

--> He butchers the intro to "Start Me Up"

--> He screws up the intro to "Brown Sugar"

--> He no longer plays "Happy" or "Before They Make Me Run," instead playing "Can't Be Seen"and not playing at all on "You Got The Silver."

All of these songs require that three finger, bar shape chord (some might call it a hammer-on) in open G, that is the Keith Richards trademark.

Listen to the recent shows. Pay attention to where he screws up or where he gets turned down by the sound man. It's obvious if you listen. He is fine on things that are straightforward open chords (Honky Tonk Women, You Got Me Rocking") but he can't clench the neck and use two fingers to shape chords, independently of the third finger.

He can't do it anymore, folks. That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Date: June 29, 2014 00:58

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Turning To Gold
What's happening is pretty obvious, if you are a guitar player...

I was noodling around with a guitar in open G, thinking about some of the recent shows, and I realized this....


The issue is that Keith can no longer play chords that require THREE fingers, and a barre across the neck. His signature move...

--> He butchers the intro to "Start Me Up"

--> He screws up the intro to "Brown Sugar"

--> He no longer plays "Happy" or "Before They Make Me Run," instead playing "Can't Be Seen"and not playing at all on "You Got The Silver."

All of these songs require that three finger, bar shape chord (some might call it a hammer-on) in open G, that is the Keith Richards trademark.

Listen to the recent shows. Pay attention to where he screws up or where he gets turned down by the sound man. It's obvious if you listen. He is fine on things that are straightforward open chords (Honky Tonk Women, You Got Me Rocking") but he can't clench the neck and use two fingers to shape chords, independently of the third finger.

He can't do it anymore, folks. That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

It's not like he fvcks up every time, and how do you explain his great playing on SFM and ADTL? They require three fingers as well.

And he plays on YGTS.

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: The Joker ()
Date: June 29, 2014 01:51

All opinion aside, I did remember that, back in the seventies, before that Taylor quit, Jagger allegedly thought to set a Taylor-Wood line up because of Richards' persistent drug issues

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: Deluxtone ()
Date: June 29, 2014 03:02

A reference for that would be interesting, Joker.

I think that it is something that cannot not have occurred to Jagger in the present/future.

Yet it does strike me as odd that they don't make more use of Taylor on more songs - even the usual ones - unless they are worried about the risk of spontaneous combustion and the danger that this might present to fitting in with lighting and video cues/timings.

No-one seems to miss Blondie much though, (do they?).

Re: The way forward for Keith?
Posted by: SweetThing ()
Date: June 29, 2014 03:43

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Deluxtone
A reference for that would be interesting, Joker.

I think that it is something that cannot not have occurred to Jagger in the present/future.

Yet it does strike me as odd that they don't make more use of Taylor on more songs - even the usual ones - unless they are worried about the risk of spontaneous combustion and the danger that this might present to fitting in with lighting and video cues/timings.

No-one seems to miss Blondie much though, (do they?).

I believe the source was Mick Taylor in the last year of so, in one of the very few things he has said in any interview since being welcomed back into the fold. Supposedly he got a call from Jagger around 1977 or thereabouts. Sounded plausible in so much as Taylor claims he told Jagger that he couldn't imagine the Stones without Keith, but apparently agreed in principle to be open to help if needed....

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