Any news folks ? Are prices coming down yet ? Did you get a ticket Paul ?

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Any news folks ? Are prices coming down yet ? Did you get a ticket Paul ?

I did manage to get a ticket yes, courtesy of a colleague of mine. So I'm in the Pelouse VIP area, but still interested nevertheless in the absurd and "manipulative" antics of VIAGOGO.

Have you seen what they've recently done with the Berlin standing tickets ? For weeks and weeks they've had like about 250 or so of them for sale, with the lowest price at around €300. Then, literally overnight, they withdrew the majority of them from the listing, and now all that is showing is 5 (yes just FIVE) - starting at €950 !!

I mean how the hell anyone in their right mind does not think that this type of behaviour ought not be subject to some form of control or regulation is totally and utterly beyond my comprehension.

It stinks.

Again, I was lucky in that I managed to get a Berlin standing ticket in the original public sale from the primary vendor, face value price €224.50. But this whole out of control secondary market/legalised scalping phenomenon is one that absolutely enrages me (as no doubt anyone that reads my posts on the issue can gauge) - and so I try to do my bit on this board to warn people against the worst excesses that it enacts and to encourage people not to be stupid and fall for it, but rather to be shrewd and cynical themselves and try and beat these a**holes at their own distasteful game.

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

Well done to you good sir! I am not far behind you in my disgust for how this whole sordid business operates. I may have to settle for Pelouse Or and queue dead early so I get front row on the Podium at the end of the Catwalk. That's where I was in Oslo and it was a fantastic spot, with an unobstructed view of the stage dead centre. Well worth 7 hours of queueing, which is fun anyway due to the great socialising with the fans.

There were a few available for 135EUR on ebay.fr yesterday...

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Have you seen what they've recently done with the Berlin standing tickets ? For weeks and weeks they've had like about 250 or so of them for sale, with the lowest price at around €300. Then, literally overnight, they withdrew the majority of them from the listing, and now all that is showing is 5 (yes just FIVE) - starting at €950 !!

Glad you got your Paris ticket!

The Berlin situation doesn't fill me with confidence for Paris! After seeing your post, I checked out seatwave and their Pelouse VIP have gone up (from last time I looked). Oh dear!

I'm beginning to think I'll pass on this show and just stay with Rome only. It's just that I did want at least one good place this tour (couldn't get a pit for Rome so plain old GA there). Haven't booked a flight to Paris yet (Eurostar so expensive now, it'd be cheaper to fly first class!) but still tempted to go and try outside the venue.

What happened re. the Berlin tickets? They never existed in the first place? Or returned to the official seller and maybe will be available at face value?

Martha,

I'm still going. from the UK too. Friends of mine are in Pelouse Or and paid over the odds for their tickets on viagogo. There WILL be tickets on the day. There always is. I got into the O2 Show 1 on 25/11/2012 for £100 (face vale £326). I may plump for Pelouse Or. I'm just printing off a Seating & Floorplan and Colour Photocopies of a ticket...

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Martha,

I'm still going. from the UK too. Friends of mine are in Pelouse Or and paid over the odds for their tickets on viagogo. There WILL be tickets on the day. There always is. I got into the O2 Show 1 on 25/11/2012 for £100 (face vale £326). I may plump for Pelouse Or. I'm just printing off a Seating & Floorplan and Colour Photocopies of a ticket...

I am so tempted. I did think of Pelouse Or (if Pelouse VIP doesn't work out) - but I've left things so late, I'm debating if it's worth paying for a flight and hotel. I was thinking of splashing out and treating myself so that I could get a front of stage experience (got GA for Rome because their pits tickets also sold out too quickly!). Although I would like to do more than one show...I'm looking at Stockholm as an alternative. Flights are cheaper but the timing isn't as good for me.

I'm sure you're right. The will tickets on the day. I also got tickets for the first 02 on the day. Got really good side view seats (close to stage) for less than face value. And I'm so glad I went!

One thing about all of this is that I've decided to finally buy a smartphone...if I do head to Paris ticketless, I think it would help having email/internet access (and for checking out IORR!). I've resisted so far and stuck with my standard phone...

Maybe I'll see you in Paris!

Blame it on the bands.

Berlin and Paris seem to be very hot shows. But, although it's great to be FOS, there are a lot of cheaper seats available in the stands for Paris. I saw a show at the Tokyo Dome from the stands, and still enjoyed myself quite a bit - it was quite relaxing to have dinner at a nice restaurant, and arrive right around show time because your seat is set. If you have the time, a weekend in Paris with a Stones show? Sounds pretty good to me, even from the nosebleeds! I say go.

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Martha,

I'm still going. from the UK too. Friends of mine are in Pelouse Or and paid over the odds for their tickets on viagogo. There WILL be tickets on the day. There always is. I got into the O2 Show 1 on 25/11/2012 for £100 (face vale £326). I may plump for Pelouse Or. I'm just printing off a Seating & Floorplan and Colour Photocopies of a ticket...

I am so tempted. I did think of Pelouse Or (if Pelouse VIP doesn't work out) - but I've left things so late, I'm debating if it's worth paying for a flight and hotel. I was thinking of splashing out and treating myself so that I could get a front of stage experience (got GA for Rome because their pits tickets also sold out too quickly!). Although I would like to do more than one show...I'm looking at Stockholm as an alternative. Flights are cheaper but the timing isn't as good for me.

I'm sure you're right. The will tickets on the day. I also got tickets for the first 02 on the day. Got really good side view seats (close to stage) for less than face value. And I'm so glad I went!

One thing about all of this is that I've decided to finally buy a smartphone...if I do head to Paris ticketless, I think it would help having email/internet access (and for checking out IORR!). I've resisted so far and stuck with my standard phone...

Maybe I'll see you in Paris!

Hope you make it.
Think Stade de France is a bit special. Something about the place and the size.
Last time I got "She was Hot" in there. Can't wait for another show there.

TE
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Have you seen what they've recently done with the Berlin standing tickets ? For weeks and weeks they've had like about 250 or so of them for sale, with the lowest price at around €300. Then, literally overnight, they withdrew the majority of them from the listing, and now all that is showing is 5 (yes just FIVE) - starting at €950 !!

Glad you got your Paris ticket!

The Berlin situation doesn't fill me with confidence for Paris! After seeing your post, I checked out seatwave and their Pelouse VIP have gone up (from last time I looked). Oh dear!




I'm beginning to think I'll pass on this show and just stay with Rome only. It's just that I did want at least one good place this tour (couldn't get a pit for Rome so plain old GA there). Haven't booked a flight to Paris yet (Eurostar so expensive now, it'd be cheaper to fly first class!) but still tempted to go and try outside the venue.





What happened re. the Berlin tickets? They never existed in the first place? Or returned to the official seller and maybe will be available at face value?

Hi Martha,have you seen the map of the Rome concert,check it out on www.the-base.it and you will see that you can go to the front of stage with a G.A ticket if your in early enough.

Nate

I went to see the Stones in Paris 2007 without a ticket.
got one infront of the Stade de France for 50 €uro. Pelouse.
a father was selling it because his son couldn't make it ... or stlt.
I didn't have hotel room too, so no sleep and off on the earliest flight home.

go for it.

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I went to see the Stones in Paris 2007 without a ticket.
got one infront of the Stade de France for 50 €uro. Pelouse.
a father was selling it because his son couldn't make it ... or stlt.
I didn't have hotel room too, so no sleep and off on the earliest flight home.

go for it.

This isn't the same situation, though. 2007 never sold out and had entire sections of unsold seats.

I was there in 2007. The whole Upper Tier was closed all around the stadium. The pitch seemed sparse too. FoS was huge and NOT full.

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Only way to bring prices down is to reduce demand. Since the Stones are great, and not going downhill fast, they could bring prices down by finally becoming a Las Vegas act. And playing every other night for as many months as demand exists.

It's clever the way the band has reduced demand for bootlegs by having such shit guest artists (Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, etc) join them onstage.



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I went to see the Stones in Paris 2007 without a ticket.
got one infront of the Stade de France for 50 €uro. Pelouse.
a father was selling it because his son couldn't make it ... or stlt.
I didn't have a hotel room too, so no sleep and off on the earliest flight home.

go for it.

This isn't the same situation, though. 2007 never sold out and had entire sections of unsold seats.

Stade de France has a capacity of what, 75.000 ppl?
ok, they'd love to see it sold out ...I'll believe it when the reports of the show are coming in.
I guess the chances to get in to that show are pretty good actually.

PRINCE .... ten out of ten to him for making a stand and drawing attention to this curse of the modern day; the 'secondary market' !!

[www.theguardian.com]

[www.independent.co.uk]

[www.bbc.co.uk]

And so on and so on ........

Total respect for the guy, I only wish other artists would do similar.

Question is: what 'mechanism' to employ to actually enable real fans (i.e. people that wish to attend the event and don't wanna get robbed blind in the process) to get hold of tickets, and to take these effin' parasite organisations like VIAGOGO, SEATAVE, GETMEIN, STUBHUB - out of the equation (if not out of business altogether) once and for all ?

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

If you want to buy tickets in the pre sale for the stones in Chile then you need a bank of Patagonia account,so I wonder how many bank of Patagonia accounts viagogo hold haha.

Nate ><

I agree.However it will just go back to the touts on the street without them.And there is always the risk of fake tickets from street touts.

Nice to see Ronnie's buddies One Direction also pushing for some change in the Secondary Market ticket sales business.

[www.forbes.com]

To me the secondary market seems to be clearly in league with the promoters
and ultimately the bands in order to obtain the prime tickets.

Hmm, like many others I wish there was an end to this practice. But unfortunately resourceful/greedy people will always find a way. That was cool of Prince to expose the fact tickets were already on sale though they didn't exist. Good one!

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Hmm, like many others I wish there was an end to this practice. But unfortunately resourceful/greedy people will always find a way. That was cool of Prince to expose the fact tickets were already on sale though they didn't exist. Good one!

Yes indeed. He pulled the ticket sale this morning literally one hour before it was due to start.

What I'm really curious to know now, is having done so ... what happens next ? It will be an interesting one to watch, because having gone to some considerable lengths to highlight the issue and make his thoughts on the secondary market phenomenon abundantly clear ... you can't help but wonder what the next move is gonna be ?? Assuming he is still planning on playing and still planning on selling tickets (one way or the other) !!

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

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PRINCE .... ten out of ten to him for making a stand and drawing attention to this curse of the modern day; the 'secondary market' !!

He's moaning and crying but what does he actually do?

One simple solution : print actual tix before bookings open, send them to each venue and sell on a "first come first served" basis (2 tix max per head).
Just like they used to do back then...

Why do artists keep on selling tix thru Internet. Because it ensures massive gains with no investment and little work : Prince's tour will sell out in 5 minutes. Money will pour in his pocket before he has invested one penny in it.

And with e-tix it's the buyer who rpints his onw ticket. The artist doesn't even have to spend money on them. Ain't that great!?

Alas the perfect biz scheme for the artists is also the one touts can profit from. Massive touting comes with the Net, it would be destroyed if artists went back to physical ticket sales.

Check this out .......... Harvey Goldsmith weighs in to the never-ending debate !!

[www.bbc.co.uk]

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

Some good points by Harvey Goldsmith. But I'm still left wondering if anything will change.

For U2 in Cologne, Ga tickets were e-tickets (you had to present your phone at the entrance and show a qr-code. Despite some technical issues (it was a first for the venue and for us) it worked fine. I didn't see any touts with GA tickets, no GA tickets on Ebay etc...
The only reasons not all tickets were e-tickets is that it was a first for the venue and they have to get used to it and wouldn't want to risk a big mess if it didn't work.

For Kraftwerk on Saturday, all tickets are personalized (print-at-home). If you can't attend, there is a controlled secondary market (run by the ticket agency) where you can sell at face value only. Both solutions are fine by me.

This is an issue that NEEDS government intervention and legislation once and for all, and the entirely COMPLACENT government department here in the UK that continues to spectacularly fail the 'event going' public of this country is THIS one - link below:

[www.gov.uk]

[www.gov.uk]

[www.independent.co.uk]

[www.seatwave.com]

<<< Chowdhury is also one of the founding general partners of European venture capital fund IDG Ventures Europe, Deputy Chairman of the British Screen Advisory Council and a non-executive director on the board of the Department of Culture, Media and Sport advising on media and technology issues.

[www.gov.uk]

Talk about a f**ing CONFLICT OF INTEREST !!!

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

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For U2 in Cologne, Ga tickets were e-tickets (you had to present your phone at the entrance and show a qr-code. Despite some technical issues (it was a first for the venue and for us) it worked fine. I didn't see any touts with GA tickets, no GA tickets on Ebay etc...
The only reasons not all tickets were e-tickets is that it was a first for the venue and they have to get used to it and wouldn't want to risk a big mess if it didn't work.

For Kraftwerk on Saturday, all tickets are personalized (print-at-home). If you can't attend, there is a controlled secondary market (run by the ticket agency) where you can sell at face value only. Both solutions are fine by me.

Thank you for those two examples. Thwarting the efforts of those who have NO wish to attend an event and EVERY wish to buy tickets and resell them at inflated prices can be SO easily accomplished ... it just goes to show. It just needs the WILL !!

[ I want to shout, but I can hardly speak ]

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Check this out .......... Harvey Goldsmith weighs in to the never-ending debate !!

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Interesting read. Whether the government's 'public consultation' has any impact or not remains to be seen of course. I absolutely share your disgust on this paulywal - wouldn't be a moment too soon if the likes of Seatwave are either shut down or forced to operate in a more ethical way (which would basically mean a 180 degree turn around from how they operate currently).

The thing I don't understand and what really gets my goat - is how the hell do they actually get hold of all these tickets in the first place?! It can't all be speculative selling can it? Is it a case of promoters/ venues/ shadowy people on the 'inside' selling their allocations at an inflated rate to Seatwave etc who then cream their share of the poor fans? If that's the case then surely it's more than just the re-sale sites that need to be clamped down on.