Interesting - great work - thanks!
Cheers.

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ABCKO didn't mistakenly leave RMK on, they added it. It has nothing to do with remake.

Well I'd like to know, how you know that and what evidence you have to back this up?

I think there was an interview with Klein where he explained why it was included, but I can't remember if it was the initials of a family member or something like that...

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ABCKO didn't mistakenly leave RMK on, they added it. It has nothing to do with remake.

Well I'd like to know, how you know that and what evidence you have to back this up?

Someone who previously worked with both the stones and ABKCO told me it had nothing to do with remake or remix.

Ignoring that, there's nothing to show COTM was recorded in 1967. There are various things which tie the acoustic takes heard on Satanic Sessions to 1968.

Let's re-imagine IORR with Hey Negrita on it.



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OK - thanks for this...yes you have jogged my memory with Klein story...I do remember reading this myself now that I think back. Although I will have to listen back to Satanic Sessions discs which have COTM listed as 1967 for Jimmy Miller's voice.
Just replace it with We Love You.

ROCKMAN to the rescue...

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ABCKO didn't mistakenly leave RMK on, they added it. It has nothing to do with remake.

Well I'd like to know, how you know that and what evidence you have to back this up?

Someone who previously worked with both the stones and ABKCO told me it had nothing to do with remake or remix.

Ignoring that, there's nothing to show COTM was recorded in 1967. There are various things which tie the acoustic takes heard on Satanic Sessions to 1968.

Let's re-imagine IORR with Hey Negrita on it.

Better yet, 'that Japanese thing'.

Dean posts here as well

Ha! Appreciate that pic - thanks!

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Ha! Appreciate that pic - thanks!

All thanks to ROCKMAN.

@funkydrummer - This is very cool.. Like others I feel that We Love You should be included, but I get why you feel confident in this running order! I'll just leave this here...

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Yes they re-made a number of tracks, but just so happened that COTM had the rmk attached to it (and was mistakenly left on by ABKCO).

It would make practical sense to consider that Child of the Moon (first acoustic version as heard on SS boot is the "first" version - although I agree that we can't be sure this is 1967) and electric is remake made at the new sessions in March 1968. Until we have verification, that I what I have chosen to believe, over the years because it makes sense. Again we don't actually know - but lyrically COTM has always belonged to TSMR rather than Beggars - it is also "orphaned" and I would never, for example include Jigsaw Puzzle, because that had an album outlet - BB.

Child of the Moon has psychedelic Beatles-style vox - I don't subscribe to the "Rain" copy that some have - I think that unfair...but to me - it signifies the last movement of the mid-60s "hippy" stuff...

Again - this makes sense to me, and to many others and hence the relationship that COTM has with TSMR for many Stones fans.

Also Stones researchers like Aeppli and others also refer to COTM being recorded in 1967 - [aeppli.ch]

Again, we are all guessing, and none of us actually know for sure!

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ABKCO didn't mistakenly leave RMK on, they added it. It has nothing to do with remake or the stones.

The acoustic takes are from spring 1968, Jimmy Miller can be heard talking on them.

COTM is not orphaned, it's the b side to Jumpin' Jack Flash.

There is, as far as i am aware, not one mention of Child Of The Moon in 1967, not one test pressing or acetate from 1967 featuring early versions like there are for other 1967 tracks nor any indication from anyone involved that it was even attempted in 1967.

Again, it's a misconception that keeps getting repeated.

Also, researchers and their books etc tend to copy from one another hence why mis-information can spread through even the most respected of stones sites etc.

Yeah, we know all that, but what we don't know when the song was actually written and first demos/sketches were recorded by the band or indicidual members. It clearly has that psychedelic vibe and would have fitted perfectly on TSMR.

Apart from that, it should not be forgotten that music is actually for listening, and while all these discussions which center around historical correctness might of course attract a (not more than a, unfortunateley) handful of diehard fans all over the world, it can get a bit trainspottery when the discussion revolves around the inclusion or non-inclusion of one particular song and forgets the project as a whole, which goes a bit on my nerves, sorry, but it must be said!

Funkydrummer did a

G R E A T___J O B

with this. One should not forget that this is a 2014 re-imagination of an album that was released in 1967, and I'm pretty sure that ABKCO or even the Stones themselves would have included Child Of The Moon and shitted on historical correctness if they felt that it was a perfect fit in pure musical terms.

It's not that the band itself proved an all too tight historical correctness with their recent archive projects (Claudine, We Had It All and Tallahassie Lassie from the Some Girls sessions?).



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Yes they re-made a number of tracks, but just so happened that COTM had the rmk attached to it (and was mistakenly left on by ABKCO).

It would make practical sense to consider that Child of the Moon (first acoustic version as heard on SS boot is the "first" version - although I agree that we can't be sure this is 1967) and electric is remake made at the new sessions in March 1968. Until we have verification, that I what I have chosen to believe, over the years because it makes sense. Again we don't actually know - but lyrically COTM has always belonged to TSMR rather than Beggars - it is also "orphaned" and I would never, for example include Jigsaw Puzzle, because that had an album outlet - BB.

Child of the Moon has psychedelic Beatles-style vox - I don't subscribe to the "Rain" copy that some have - I think that unfair...but to me - it signifies the last movement of the mid-60s "hippy" stuff...

Again - this makes sense to me, and to many others and hence the relationship that COTM has with TSMR for many Stones fans.

Also Stones researchers like Aeppli and others also refer to COTM being recorded in 1967 - [aeppli.ch]

Again, we are all guessing, and none of us actually know for sure!

]

ABKCO didn't mistakenly leave RMK on, they added it. It has nothing to do with remake or the stones.

The acoustic takes are from spring 1968, Jimmy Miller can be heard talking on them.

COTM is not orphaned, it's the b side to Jumpin' Jack Flash.

There is, as far as i am aware, not one mention of Child Of The Moon in 1967, not one test pressing or acetate from 1967 featuring early versions like there are for other 1967 tracks nor any indication from anyone involved that it was even attempted in 1967.

Again, it's a misconception that keeps getting repeated.

Also, researchers and their books etc tend to copy from one another hence why mis-information can spread through even the most respected of stones sites etc.

Yeah, we know all that, but what we don't know when the song was actually written and first demos/sketches were recorded by the band or indicidual members. It clearly has that psychedelic vibe and would have fitted perfectly on TSMR.

Apart from that, it should not be forgotten that music is actually for listening, and while all this discussions which center around historical correctness might of course attract a (not more than a, unfortunatley) handful of diehard fans all over the world, it can get a bit trainspottery when the discussion revolves around the inclusion or non-inclusion of one particular song and forgets the project as a whole, which goes a bit on my nerves, sorry, but it must be said!

Funkydrummer did a

G R E A T J O B

with this. One should not forget that this is a 2014 re-imagination of an album that was released in 1967, and I'm pretty sure that ABKCO or even the Stones themselves would have included Child Of The Moon and shitted on historical correctness if they felt that it was a perfect fit in pure musical terms.

It's not that the band itself proved an all too tight historical correctness with their recent archive projects (Claudine, We Had It All and Tallahassie Lassie from the Some Girls sessions?).

Next your going to suggest Title 5 and So Divine weren't recorded at Nellcotte.

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I'm pretty sure that ABKCO or even the Stones themselves would have included Child Of The Moon and shitted on historical correctness if they felt that it was a perfect fit in pure musical terms.

But, they haven't.

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Yes they re-made a number of tracks, but just so happened that COTM had the rmk attached to it (and was mistakenly left on by ABKCO).

It would make practical sense to consider that Child of the Moon (first acoustic version as heard on SS boot is the "first" version - although I agree that we can't be sure this is 1967) and electric is remake made at the new sessions in March 1968. Until we have verification, that I what I have chosen to believe, over the years because it makes sense. Again we don't actually know - but lyrically COTM has always belonged to TSMR rather than Beggars - it is also "orphaned" and I would never, for example include Jigsaw Puzzle, because that had an album outlet - BB.

Child of the Moon has psychedelic Beatles-style vox - I don't subscribe to the "Rain" copy that some have - I think that unfair...but to me - it signifies the last movement of the mid-60s "hippy" stuff...

Again - this makes sense to me, and to many others and hence the relationship that COTM has with TSMR for many Stones fans.

Also Stones researchers like Aeppli and others also refer to COTM being recorded in 1967 - [aeppli.ch]

Again, we are all guessing, and none of us actually know for sure!

]

ABKCO didn't mistakenly leave RMK on, they added it. It has nothing to do with remake or the stones.

The acoustic takes are from spring 1968, Jimmy Miller can be heard talking on them.

COTM is not orphaned, it's the b side to Jumpin' Jack Flash.

There is, as far as i am aware, not one mention of Child Of The Moon in 1967, not one test pressing or acetate from 1967 featuring early versions like there are for other 1967 tracks nor any indication from anyone involved that it was even attempted in 1967.

Again, it's a misconception that keeps getting repeated.

Also, researchers and their books etc tend to copy from one another hence why mis-information can spread through even the most respected of stones sites etc.

Yeah, we know all that, but what we don't know when the song was actually written and first demos/sketches were recorded by the band or indicidual members. It clearly has that psychedelic vibe and would have fitted perfectly on TSMR.

Apart from that, it should not be forgotten that music is actually for listening, and while all this discussions which center around historical correctness might of course attract a (not more than a, unfortunatley) handful of diehard fans all over the world, it can get a bit trainspottery when the discussion revolves around the inclusion or non-inclusion of one particular song and forgets the project as a whole, which goes a bit on my nerves, sorry, but it must be said!

Funkydrummer did a

G R E A T J O B

with this. One should not forget that this is a 2014 re-imagination of an album that was released in 1967, and I'm pretty sure that ABKCO or even the Stones themselves would have included Child Of The Moon and shitted on historical correctness if they felt that it was a perfect fit in pure musical terms.

It's not that the band itself proved an all too tight historical correctness with their recent archive projects (Claudine, We Had It All and Tallahassie Lassie from the Some Girls sessions?).

Next your going to suggest Title 5 and So Divine weren't recorded at Nellcotte.

Indeed. How can you read my thoughts?

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I'm pretty sure that ABKCO or even the Stones themselves would have included Child Of The Moon and shitted on historical correctness if they felt that it was a perfect fit in pure musical terms.

But, they haven't.

Not yet. But wait for the Superdeluxe TSMR 50th Anniversary box set!

"It's not that the band itself proved an all too tight historical correctness with their recent archive projects (Claudine, We Had It All and Tallahassie Lassie from the Some Girls sessions?)."

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I'm pretty sure that ABKCO or even the Stones themselves would have included Child Of The Moon and shitted on historical correctness if they felt that it was a perfect fit in pure musical terms.

But, they haven't.

Not yet. But wait for the Superdeluxe TSMR 50th Anniversary box set!

Bonus discs are different to re-working the actual album and they might irritate you, but make me and historical accuracy happy by including COTM in the following year Superdeluxe Beggars Banquet era 50th Anniversary box set!



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I'm pretty sure that ABKCO or even the Stones themselves would have included Child Of The Moon and shitted on historical correctness if they felt that it was a perfect fit in pure musical terms.

But, they haven't.

Not yet. But wait for the Superdeluxe TSMR 50th Anniversary box set!

Bonus discs are different to re-working the actual album and they might irritate you, but make me and historical accuracy happy by including COTM in the following year Superdeluxe Beggars Banquet era 50th Anniversary box set!

"Bonus discs are different to re-working the actual album" - puuuh, I did not know that before this lesson from the great teacher! If you find enjoyment with historical correctness in your lonely room, so be it, I prefer to listen to music instead and after listening to funkydrummer's TSMR reworking I can only say that it is a beautiful, wonderfully cohesive body of work.

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Thanks funkydrummer for sharing this . I think the majority of us do understand the concept of "re-imagined" and appreciate your effort.
I won't be cutting out COTM !

Great stuff.

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I'm pretty sure that ABKCO or even the Stones themselves would have included Child Of The Moon and shitted on historical correctness if they felt that it was a perfect fit in pure musical terms.

But, they haven't.

Not yet. But wait for the Superdeluxe TSMR 50th Anniversary box set!

Bonus discs are different to re-working the actual album and they might irritate you, but make me and historical accuracy happy by including COTM in the following year Superdeluxe Beggars Banquet era 50th Anniversary box set!

It was the last gasp of Stones psychedelia and works much better on TSMR than on Beggars Banquet, which has a back-to-roots and acoustic approach.

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It was the last gasp of Stones psychedelia and works much better on TSMR than on Beggars Banquet, which has a back-to-roots and acoustic approach.

That's it, in a nutshell!

Nice job, funkydrummer!

Wow, I listened the album with my headphones in my bed before falling sleep, and jeez, I had psychedelic dreams...

What a wonderful listening experience, such a cohesive, exciting work! The project really made SATANIC fresh, and even though I have during recent years started to appreciate album more and more, now it really hit big time! The Stones were @#$%& brilliant at the time! But the band missed the opportunity to make a real masterpiece, even though they had all the material needed...

Some quick recollections.

1. A great use of "Sing Altogether" - the short acoustic short 'introduction' works beautificully giving us the theme and then transforms naturally to "2000 Light Years From Home". A great start! And then ending the side with "Reprise" - and leaving the boring jam of "See What Happens" totally out - a good choice!

2. The use of instrumental interludes, and no gap between songs, works beautifully. I wish they had used this idea in the original... much more psychedelic impression!

3. Starting the second side with "On With The Show" is a great choice as well, but even better is the ending, putting "The Citadel" and "The Lantern" there. Starting to build the ending with those dark strong chords by Keith is just a gas, and "The Lantern" has never sounded so meaningful as it does here.

4. Altogether, the flow of the songs is great. The drama in both sides is capturing.

5. "Dandelion" and "Child of The Moon" have their natural place in the flow of side one, but I can't help that both of them sound a bit anomalic in the context. Thematically alright, but as songs both are a bit too conservative and 'constructed'. "Dandelion" has that BETWEEN THE BUTTONS era cohesive melodic pop song vibe in it, and "Moon" too much Jimmy Miller precision and tightness in it. But I wouldn't still kick them out, but a room for "We Love You" is needed! That song belongs there!

6. I missed the vocals in "Gomper"...

But what a great job, funkydrummer! Best Stones studio album for ages... I will make a copy of it and play it regularly, and actually my psychedelia/prog rock crazy friends will have a copy/a listen as well!

Thank you!

- Doxa



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It is all very well. I am not in any way saying that you should not.

But I for one won't listen to it. I stick to the original album that I do love as much as the following four albums, and I am very comfortable with other songs belonging to the preceding single "We Love You" / "¨Dandelion" and with "Child of the Moon", with its transitional character, being B-side of "Jumpin' Jack Flash".

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Bonus discs are different to re-working the actual album ............

And I usually prefer original albums and singles to be how the band created them, even if there have been exceptions also on my part (only as to speculative thoughts).



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It was the last gasp of Stones psychedelia and works much better on TSMR than on Beggars Banquet, which has a back-to-roots and acoustic approach.

Kinda, but not at the same time and it works best as the b side of JJF.



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This was a lovely compilation, funkydrummer. On some of the songs I missed the harmonies, as well as the tremolo guitar on The Lantern, though, but You Can't Always Get What You Want.

Nice work!

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It is all very well. I am not in any way saying that you should not.

But I for one won't listen to it. I stick to the original album that I do love as much as the following four albums, and I am very comfortable with other songs belonging to the preceding single "We Love You" / "¨Dandelion" and with "Child of the Moon", with its transitional character, being B-side of "Jumpin' Jack Flash".

Everything perfectly expressed by His Majesty

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Bonus discs are different to re-working the actual album ............

And I usually prefer original albums and singles to be how the band created them, even if there have been exceptions also on my part (only as to speculative thoughts).

You should at least listen to the 5 part jams, Gold-painted Nails and the other stuff. The a cappela We Love You was a blast!