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... or out of control ego. Besides, on who's authority do we have it that he overdubbed those parts (besides Mathijs)?
What, don't you prefer more "rock star attitude", when the guitarists run around the stage, pose and light cigarettes?
Hahaha, touché
Yeah, let's wipe out some obscure rhythm guitar and keep the solos. Are you seriously believing that Keith felt threatened in any way by that rhythm guitar?
Not threatened. Just thought he could do better and couldn't resist a needless overdub on what was supposed to be a live record.
If the recording mic fell over, or if the signal from parts of Taylor's track was muddled, it wouldn't have been needless. Parts of Carol were kept, btw - the small breaks in between the verses where he plays lead.
Even back then, live recordings always had post-production.
Raising arms and playing 10 notes per minute...
The authority should be your ears. Just listen to this version of LQ and the Ya Ya's version and it should be obvious the rythm guitar part is overdubbed on Ya Ya's.
The reason without a doubt is that Richards idea of the song, and of the driving rythm, is that it should be very tight. And Taylor's rhythm guitar isn't very tight, it clashes here and there with Charlie's drums (especially in the first minute, where Charlie has turned the beat around) and it interferes with Keith's rhythm guitar.
I personally think the video versions are fantastic, but I can understand Richards' need to replace Taylor's rhythm guitar for the album release.
Mathijs
He is. Listen to the second guitar on CYHMK on the Live Licks album (before the solo). Two open G-guitars
And listen to Waiting On A Friend on No Security. Mick's acoustic is now played by... Keith.
For both cases the overdubs are not done by Keith....
Mathijs
Waiting On A Friend was done by Keith. I'm not sure if he played on the entire track, though. Listen round 2:38. That's gotta be Keith.
The original live recording:
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2014-05-05 13:17 by DandelionPowderman.
LOL!
Full of self-restraint art
Cafaro: Just do a YouTube search for Rolling Stones Little Queenie 1969 or the same thing for Carol. Cheers.
I love watching Charlie during the run up to the end of Queenie. He's swinging like mad, mouthing the lyrics, and his expression is one of pure joy!
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Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: May 4, 2014 23:46
Holy crap is this good! Hadn't seen video of these two before.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2014-05-04 23:48 by 71Tele.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2014-05-04 23:48 by 71Tele.
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
LuxuryStones
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Date: May 5, 2014 00:17
I have, and good heavens, I even like the rhythm guitar. I never understood why Keith dubbed them.
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: May 5, 2014 00:50
Could have been as simple as bad line signals...
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: May 5, 2014 01:02
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DandelionPowderman
Could have been as simple as bad line signals...
... or out of control ego. Besides, on who's authority do we have it that he overdubbed those parts (besides Mathijs)?
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
LuxuryStones
()
Date: May 5, 2014 01:06
Taylor is too low in the mix to me. That would have solved the problem, imo. But wtf, its 45 years ago, the posted clips still sound great, the entire band. I think Carol is original Taylor.
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: May 5, 2014 01:08
There was a video revealing that, Tele.
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
Blueranger
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Date: May 5, 2014 01:18
From the bonus features on Gimme Shelter...
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
pmk251
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Date: May 5, 2014 01:42
There are no cheap thrills here. The patience and restraint in each performance is very sexy and exudes confidence.
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: May 5, 2014 01:50
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pmk251
There are no cheap thrills here. The patience and restraint in each performance is very sexy and exudes confidence.
What, don't you prefer more "rock star attitude", when the guitarists run around the stage, pose and light cigarettes?
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
pmk251
()
Date: May 5, 2014 04:17
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71TeleQuote
pmk251
There are no cheap thrills here. The patience and restraint in each performance is very sexy and exudes confidence.
What, don't you prefer more "rock star attitude", when the guitarists run around the stage, pose and light cigarettes?
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
Stoneburst
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Date: May 5, 2014 04:23
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71TeleQuote
pmk251
There are no cheap thrills here. The patience and restraint in each performance is very sexy and exudes confidence.
What, don't you prefer more "rock star attitude", when the guitarists run around the stage, pose and light cigarettes?
Hahaha, touché
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
tornnfrayed
()
Date: May 5, 2014 08:23
Where have you been. They have been around for ages. I first saw it back in 1991!
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: May 5, 2014 08:33
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71TeleQuote
DandelionPowderman
Could have been as simple as bad line signals...
... or out of control ego. Besides, on who's authority do we have it that he overdubbed those parts (besides Mathijs)?
Yeah, let's wipe out some obscure rhythm guitar and keep the solos. Are you seriously believing that Keith felt threatened in any way by that rhythm guitar?
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: May 5, 2014 10:17
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
71TeleQuote
DandelionPowderman
Could have been as simple as bad line signals...
... or out of control ego. Besides, on who's authority do we have it that he overdubbed those parts (besides Mathijs)?
Yeah, let's wipe out some obscure rhythm guitar and keep the solos. Are you seriously believing that Keith felt threatened in any way by that rhythm guitar?
Not threatened. Just thought he could do better and couldn't resist a needless overdub on what was supposed to be a live record.
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: May 5, 2014 10:29
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71TeleQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
71TeleQuote
DandelionPowderman
Could have been as simple as bad line signals...
... or out of control ego. Besides, on who's authority do we have it that he overdubbed those parts (besides Mathijs)?
Yeah, let's wipe out some obscure rhythm guitar and keep the solos. Are you seriously believing that Keith felt threatened in any way by that rhythm guitar?
Not threatened. Just thought he could do better and couldn't resist a needless overdub on what was supposed to be a live record.
If the recording mic fell over, or if the signal from parts of Taylor's track was muddled, it wouldn't have been needless. Parts of Carol were kept, btw - the small breaks in between the verses where he plays lead.
Even back then, live recordings always had post-production.
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
janathmer
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Date: May 5, 2014 11:29
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71Tele
Holy crap is this good! Hadn't seen video of these two before.
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That's why I started the thread "Chuck Berry songs for the 2014 European tour".
From the first time I heard Little Queenie and Carol on Get Yer Ya Ya's Out I'm looking for live recordings of Chuck Berry covers by the Stones. By far the very best Chuck Berry covers ever!
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
Powerage
()
Date: May 5, 2014 12:03
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pmk251Quote
71TeleQuote
pmk251
There are no cheap thrills here. The patience and restraint in each performance is very sexy and exudes confidence.
What, don't you prefer more "rock star attitude", when the guitarists run around the stage, pose and light cigarettes?
Raising arms and playing 10 notes per minute...Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: May 5, 2014 12:07
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71TeleQuote
DandelionPowderman
Could have been as simple as bad line signals...
... or out of control ego. Besides, on who's authority do we have it that he overdubbed those parts (besides Mathijs)?
The authority should be your ears. Just listen to this version of LQ and the Ya Ya's version and it should be obvious the rythm guitar part is overdubbed on Ya Ya's.
The reason without a doubt is that Richards idea of the song, and of the driving rythm, is that it should be very tight. And Taylor's rhythm guitar isn't very tight, it clashes here and there with Charlie's drums (especially in the first minute, where Charlie has turned the beat around) and it interferes with Keith's rhythm guitar.
I personally think the video versions are fantastic, but I can understand Richards' need to replace Taylor's rhythm guitar for the album release.
Mathijs
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
Powerage
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Date: May 5, 2014 12:12
Well, in that case, thanks God Keith (and his ears) is not as demanding (finical) with Ronnie since 30 years !!!!!! 
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2014-05-05 12:14 by Powerage.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2014-05-05 12:14 by Powerage.
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: May 5, 2014 12:30
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Powerage
Well, in that case, thanks God Keith (and his ears) is not as demanding (finical) with Ronnie since 30 years !!!!!!
He is. Listen to the second guitar on CYHMK on the Live Licks album (before the solo). Two open G-guitars
And listen to Waiting On A Friend on No Security. Mick's acoustic is now played by... Keith.
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
Mathijs
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Date: May 5, 2014 13:04
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
Powerage
Well, in that case, thanks God Keith (and his ears) is not as demanding (finical) with Ronnie since 30 years !!!!!!
He is. Listen to the second guitar on CYHMK on the Live Licks album (before the solo). Two open G-guitars
And listen to Waiting On A Friend on No Security. Mick's acoustic is now played by... Keith.
For both cases the overdubs are not done by Keith....
Mathijs
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: May 5, 2014 13:09
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MathijsQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
Powerage
Well, in that case, thanks God Keith (and his ears) is not as demanding (finical) with Ronnie since 30 years !!!!!!
He is. Listen to the second guitar on CYHMK on the Live Licks album (before the solo). Two open G-guitars
And listen to Waiting On A Friend on No Security. Mick's acoustic is now played by... Keith.
For both cases the overdubs are not done by Keith....
Mathijs
Waiting On A Friend was done by Keith. I'm not sure if he played on the entire track, though. Listen round 2:38. That's gotta be Keith.
The original live recording:
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2014-05-05 13:17 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: May 5, 2014 15:00
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Powerage
Well, in that case, thanks God Keith (and his ears) is not as demanding (finical) with Ronnie since 30 years !!!!!!
LOL!
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
Powerage
()
Date: May 5, 2014 15:31
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71TeleQuote
Powerage
Well, in that case, thanks God Keith (and his ears) is not as demanding (finical) with Ronnie since 30 years !!!!!!
LOL!
Full of self-restraint art
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
filstan
()
Date: May 5, 2014 18:12
Yes Tele, scary good. Thanks for posting those vids. Made my morning. That version of Carol for me is better than the one they used on Ya Ya's. Keith just nails it. The Berry numbers on the 69 tour were incredible highlights. On Queenie especially, the combo of Keith, Bill, and Charlie put out a bottom sound uneqauled by anything I have ever heard live since then.
You just had to get up and shake it...
Meanwhile we age and await a full/almost full concert video from that tour as filmed by the Maysles. It has to be out there. Please, just release this stuff before we are to old to hear or see it!
You just had to get up and shake it...
Meanwhile we age and await a full/almost full concert video from that tour as filmed by the Maysles. It has to be out there. Please, just release this stuff before we are to old to hear or see it!
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
Cafaro
()
Date: May 7, 2014 00:14
Hey Tele.......can you please post the link? My security software won't let me see it.
thanks!
thanks!
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: May 7, 2014 01:02
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Cafaro
Hey Tele.......can you please post the link? My security software won't let me see it.
thanks!
Cafaro: Just do a YouTube search for Rolling Stones Little Queenie 1969 or the same thing for Carol. Cheers.
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: May 7, 2014 01:30
The rhythmic barometer is Charlie's face, when Charlie smiles the rhythm is ace.
Re: Queenie and Carol Live 1969
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: May 7, 2014 01:32
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His Majesty
The rhythmic barometer is Charlie's face, when Charlie smiles the rhythm is ace.
I love watching Charlie during the run up to the end of Queenie. He's swinging like mad, mouthing the lyrics, and his expression is one of pure joy!
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