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That's only part of it. You are leaving out the rather important issue of open strings. Care to play that boogie rhythm part in E flat? Not me, if I can move between the E and A pattern on a low open string. Gives me many more possibilities than barre chords. Just listen to Carol or Queenie from Ya Yas. You can play the I, IV and V figures all on open strings, add a 7th and do runs, where if you are hacking away in A flat it's way more difficult (and certainly less fun).
But Keith plays Carol on Ya-Ya's on the V position, he doesn't use any open string. Just as he does with Little Queenie.
When you play it with open strings in first position it will start to sound like hard rock, or Status Quo.
Mathijs
That's true, only it's not very fitting for the Stones or Chuck Berry. And it is the latter we are talking about here. If you study his boogie playing, you'll find that it is, almost without exceptions, done in the V-position without open strings - hence the "piano key-theory" becomes less relevant.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-04-24 12:04 by DandelionPowderman.
Both are great, imo. However, the open G-versions sound heavier, and Keith sounds great.
What's not said about why 'guitar keys' are different from 'piano keys' etc is that on guitar E, A and D all have open strings and the positions of playing them tend to allow the fingers to not over do it ie a bit easier on the hand.
I would think that's why it's that way. Sure anyone could play Carol in A#/Bb but that would get tiring after a while!
In E you have the dark open string to support you when you play boogie with the barre chord rooted in the E on the a-string (9th fret). In no way is that less fun if you know how to do it.
EDIT: I meant 7th fret. Have been playing too much open G, obviously
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-04-27 11:01 by DandelionPowderman.
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Re: OT: Why did Chuck Berry stop writing music?
Posted by:
michaelsavage
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Date: April 22, 2014 23:56
Johnny Johnson
Re: OT: Why did Chuck Berry stop writing music?
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: April 23, 2014 04:39
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DandelionPowderman
For people who don't play guitar (re piano keys):
When you play rock'n'roll/boogie, you'll often use barre chords. It's true that playing in A, E or D is somewhat easier. But if you use barre chords, like Chuck, it doesn't matter if you play in E, G or B. It's all the same.
For Keith's GS it's the same. The riff (how he plays it live) is partly barre chords, descending. The key doesn't matter, as the formations will be the same on a different spot on the guitar neck.
One reason for choosing an unusual key is often that it suits the range of your vocals better - like with a capo.
The "piano keys" is a misunderstanding when it comes to Chuck, imo.
That said, I don't doubt that Johnnie was instrumental in making music with him. Not at all...
That's only part of it. You are leaving out the rather important issue of open strings. Care to play that boogie rhythm part in E flat? Not me, if I can move between the E and A pattern on a low open string. Gives me many more possibilities than barre chords. Just listen to Carol or Queenie from Ya Yas. You can play the I, IV and V figures all on open strings, add a 7th and do runs, where if you are hacking away in A flat it's way more difficult (and certainly less fun).
Re: OT: Why did Chuck Berry stop writing music?
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: April 23, 2014 10:46
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71Tele
Just listen to Carol or Queenie from Ya Yas. You can play the I, IV and V figures all on open strings, add a 7th and do runs, where if you are hacking away in A flat it's way more difficult (and certainly less fun).
But Keith plays Carol on Ya-Ya's on the V position, he doesn't use any open string. Just as he does with Little Queenie.
When you play it with open strings in first position it will start to sound like hard rock, or Status Quo.
Mathijs
Re: OT: Why did Chuck Berry stop writing music?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: April 23, 2014 10:49
Status Quo never play boogie with open strings, it is the Marshalls and Parfitt's technique that make the heavy sound.
Re: OT: Why did Chuck Berry stop writing music?
Posted by:
Britney
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Date: April 24, 2014 03:00
A new Chuck Berry album... now that could be the treat of the century. What if Keith picks up the part of musical director once more. Keith, Chuck? Are you listening?
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Re: OT: Why did Chuck Berry stop writing music?
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bbkink
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Date: April 24, 2014 07:42
I have heard rumours of Chuck having several unreleased albums tucked away, I hope they see the light of day soon!
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Re: OT: Why did Chuck Berry stop writing music?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: April 24, 2014 11:50
Quote
71TeleQuote
DandelionPowderman
For people who don't play guitar (re piano keys):
When you play rock'n'roll/boogie, you'll often use barre chords. It's true that playing in A, E or D is somewhat easier. But if you use barre chords, like Chuck, it doesn't matter if you play in E, G or B. It's all the same.
For Keith's GS it's the same. The riff (how he plays it live) is partly barre chords, descending. The key doesn't matter, as the formations will be the same on a different spot on the guitar neck.
One reason for choosing an unusual key is often that it suits the range of your vocals better - like with a capo.
The "piano keys" is a misunderstanding when it comes to Chuck, imo.
That said, I don't doubt that Johnnie was instrumental in making music with him. Not at all...
That's only part of it. You are leaving out the rather important issue of open strings. Care to play that boogie rhythm part in E flat? Not me, if I can move between the E and A pattern on a low open string. Gives me many more possibilities than barre chords. Just listen to Carol or Queenie from Ya Yas. You can play the I, IV and V figures all on open strings, add a 7th and do runs, where if you are hacking away in A flat it's way more difficult (and certainly less fun).
That's true, only it's not very fitting for the Stones or Chuck Berry. And it is the latter we are talking about here. If you study his boogie playing, you'll find that it is, almost without exceptions, done in the V-position without open strings - hence the "piano key-theory" becomes less relevant.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-04-24 12:04 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: OT: Why did Chuck Berry stop writing music?
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
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Date: April 24, 2014 12:56
True but for one:
around and Around 1976 and 1977
Sounded much better in open G.
around and Around 1976 and 1977
Sounded much better in open G.
Re: OT: Why did Chuck Berry stop writing music?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: April 24, 2014 13:00
Quote
Redhotcarpet
True but for one:
around and Around 1976 and 1977
Sounded much better in open G.
Both are great, imo. However, the open G-versions sound heavier, and Keith sounds great.
Re: OT: Why did Chuck Berry stop writing music?
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: April 26, 2014 19:13
Quote
DandelionPowderman
For people who don't play guitar (re piano keys):
When you play rock'n'roll/boogie, you'll often use barre chords. It's true that playing in A, E or D is somewhat easier. But if you use barre chords, like Chuck, it doesn't matter if you play in E, G or B. It's all the same.
What's not said about why 'guitar keys' are different from 'piano keys' etc is that on guitar E, A and D all have open strings and the positions of playing them tend to allow the fingers to not over do it ie a bit easier on the hand.
I would think that's why it's that way. Sure anyone could play Carol in A#/Bb but that would get tiring after a while!
Re: OT: Why did Chuck Berry stop writing music?
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: April 26, 2014 19:14
Strange. I copied the symbols for flat and sharp and pasted them and it wouldn't let me post it!
Re: OT: Why did Chuck Berry stop writing music?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: April 27, 2014 09:28
Quote
71TeleQuote
DandelionPowderman
For people who don't play guitar (re piano keys):
When you play rock'n'roll/boogie, you'll often use barre chords. It's true that playing in A, E or D is somewhat easier. But if you use barre chords, like Chuck, it doesn't matter if you play in E, G or B. It's all the same.
For Keith's GS it's the same. The riff (how he plays it live) is partly barre chords, descending. The key doesn't matter, as the formations will be the same on a different spot on the guitar neck.
One reason for choosing an unusual key is often that it suits the range of your vocals better - like with a capo.
The "piano keys" is a misunderstanding when it comes to Chuck, imo.
That said, I don't doubt that Johnnie was instrumental in making music with him. Not at all...
That's only part of it. You are leaving out the rather important issue of open strings. Care to play that boogie rhythm part in E flat? Not me, if I can move between the E and A pattern on a low open string. Gives me many more possibilities than barre chords. Just listen to Carol or Queenie from Ya Yas. You can play the I, IV and V figures all on open strings, add a 7th and do runs, where if you are hacking away in A flat it's way more difficult (and certainly less fun).
In E you have the dark open string to support you when you play boogie with the barre chord rooted in the E on the a-string (9th fret). In no way is that less fun if you know how to do it.
EDIT: I meant 7th fret. Have been playing too much open G, obviously
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-04-27 11:01 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: OT: Why did Chuck Berry stop writing music?
Posted by:
Father Ted
()
Date: April 27, 2014 12:06
Possibly the most influential man to play a guitar in the 20th century but CB is a one trick pony. When he left his unique solos to pick-up men for his live shows, he lost his only trump card.
Re: OT: Why did Chuck Berry stop writing music?
Posted by:
Reagan
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Date: May 8, 2014 18:35
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CBII
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