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You certainly have a point. I'm just trying to understand what's going on
aren't we all
confusing times
A great listen. Thanks, Beast!
My tickets were $338 all in with fees and in first 15 rows dead center.
Oh yea forgot fees.... awesome seats will be worth every penny!
I care less that Roger is who he is and leading this band than I am what feels like the completely neutering of Pete Townshend. Pete Townshend's songwriting and anger was what always made The Who The Who to me. He was leading the charge and the rest were following him, and it worked great. Pete probably lost control of the band by his own accord, from repeatedly talking about how he really had very little interest in The Who besides as a paycheck, so Roger took it on. Someone had to guard their life's work and legacy. It seems Roger has become a bit drunk with power, and not quite thinking straight, but Pete is as much to blame for sleepwalking through the band for so long. I feel they are both at fault for where the band is at now. Even without Zak, I hope the tour is successful. I won't be seeing it, but I obviously want the Who to have a happy ending. All signs point to kind of a whimper instead of a bang but hey, maybe inventory starts getting moved at some point.
There's a really interesting moment about 20 minutes in where Pete outlines that he and Roger see the Who completely differently. Pete sees it as an art piece. NOT something he wanted to do the rest of his life or represent the rest of his life, but a persona and kind of an outlet (that last bit I'm sort of creating myself) that kind of makes sense of his messed up childhood. But then he says all of this would make Roger laugh, because Roger sees it as a rock band and that Roger has always seen himself as the leader of the Who (which Pete doesn't necessarily agree with but also acknowledges that Roger did recruit Pete and he's grateful) even though Pete wrote all the music (which Pete is surprisingly gracious about).
This really strange dynamic where Roger is essentially living off the music Pete Townshend created that Pete semi resents or sees in a completely different light than Roger. Like Pete would not necessarily be happy to discount that in his life, but doesn't want it to be his main legacy, whereas Roger is so happy to have the life he does because of Pete's music. What a marriage.
I'm confused by Roger being confused. Pete has essentially made it clear since 1989 that he's pretty half hearted about The Who. Roger can't be that out of it that not known that. Pete's gone on record as saying these aren't even the band members he'd use. You can accuse Pete of many things but he's pretty straightforward, except clearing up the Zak sitch.
Roger is the only one holding Roger at gunpoint to tour as The Who. Pete would be fine not to. Its weird that Rog is saying he doesn't "have" to do this.
This is pretty sad honestly, he seems bummed (and maybe drunk?) at not getting to be part of the Oasis reunion.
The subtitles... what is that about?
Makes ZERO SENSE.
The viewer has put those on; not the BBC.
Yes those subtitles are way off. Either typed by someone with poor hearing or AI.
So WHO knows why he got sacked, other than something went on behind the scenes that no one's talking about.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2025-05-28 09:25 by mosthigh.
That would make me a Grade 1 Tosser, Gaslight!
I know its been said a ton of times but while I'm not happy with what the Who has done in the last recent bit, they are no faker than the current Stones are. I don't know how anyone could argue that.
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Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: May 22, 2025 15:42
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bye bye johnny
From Daily Mail's EDEN CONFIDENTIAL column:
Who stars' war of words before last tour even starts!
Is the Who’s ‘farewell’ tour of the US already under threat?
First, the drummer Zak Starkey was kicked out of the veteran rock group for the second time in a month. Now, Roger Daltrey says he wasn’t impressed by Pete Townshend’s remark that being in the band after 61 years is like ‘flogging a dead horse’.
Daltrey retorts: ‘If Pete doesn’t want to tour, I don’t want to be back with The Who on the road, at 81, with someone who doesn’t want be there — if that’s what he’s saying. I won’t do it with someone who is half-hearted about it. But, you know, every dog has its day and it was a wonderful ride.’
[www.dailymail.co.uk]
wow seriously?
i didn't think this could get dumber then rodger goes and proves me wrong
as a fan this is all very disappointing
Maybe this is the only way they can get this PR at 81? He won't exactly come across as mr. nice guy, but they get lots of media attention.
I can't think of another reason for this kind of behaviour ...
well putting on my tin foil conspiracy cap
maybe this is his excuse for backing out of the tour after the backlash from the way they (rodger) treated zak
and correct me if i'm wrong but this kind of thing is gonna get more attention in the british press then the american press
so how would that help promote a tour in america?
You certainly have a point. I'm just trying to understand what's going on
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
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Date: May 22, 2025 15:52
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bye bye johnny
From Daily Mail's EDEN CONFIDENTIAL column:
Who stars' war of words before last tour even starts!
Is the Who’s ‘farewell’ tour of the US already under threat?
First, the drummer Zak Starkey was kicked out of the veteran rock group for the second time in a month. Now, Roger Daltrey says he wasn’t impressed by Pete Townshend’s remark that being in the band after 61 years is like ‘flogging a dead horse’.
Daltrey retorts: ‘If Pete doesn’t want to tour, I don’t want to be back with The Who on the road, at 81, with someone who doesn’t want be there — if that’s what he’s saying. I won’t do it with someone who is half-hearted about it. But, you know, every dog has its day and it was a wonderful ride.’
[www.dailymail.co.uk]
wow seriously?
i didn't think this could get dumber then rodger goes and proves me wrong
as a fan this is all very disappointing
Maybe this is the only way they can get this PR at 81? He won't exactly come across as mr. nice guy, but they get lots of media attention.
I can't think of another reason for this kind of behaviour ...
well putting on my tin foil conspiracy cap
maybe this is his excuse for backing out of the tour after the backlash from the way they (rodger) treated zak
and correct me if i'm wrong but this kind of thing is gonna get more attention in the british press then the american press
so how would that help promote a tour in america?
You certainly have a point. I'm just trying to understand what's going on
aren't we all
confusing times
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
Beast
()
Date: May 22, 2025 16:18
MUCH better PR is this terrific 45-minute interview with Pete, which was aired this morning. He talks briefly about the US tour at the end and says that whether they do anything after that is down to Roger.
[www.bbc.co.uk]
[www.bbc.co.uk]
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
gustavobala
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Date: May 22, 2025 16:38
Roger Daltrey always had problems with drummers......
OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
bye bye johnny
()
Date: May 22, 2025 17:07
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Beast
MUCH better PR is this terrific 45-minute interview with Pete, which was aired this morning. He talks briefly about the US tour at the end and says that whether they do anything after that is down to Roger.
[www.bbc.co.uk]
A great listen. Thanks, Beast!
OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
bye bye johnny
()
Date: May 22, 2025 17:21
Pete Townshend remakes Quadrophenia for a new generation: ‘The world is a dangerous place at the moment’
It may be set 60 years ago, but a new ballet version of The Who’s rock opera asks questions about youth, society and masculinity that still resonate – and it brought its original creator to tears
Lyndsey Winship
22 May 2025
With Paris Fitzpatrick (Jimmy)/Johan Persson
[www.theguardian.com]
It may be set 60 years ago, but a new ballet version of The Who’s rock opera asks questions about youth, society and masculinity that still resonate – and it brought its original creator to tears
Lyndsey Winship
22 May 2025
With Paris Fitzpatrick (Jimmy)/Johan Persson
[www.theguardian.com]
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
daspyknows
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Date: May 22, 2025 19:07
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Lawn tickets for Neil Young at Amphitheater are 80.75 US dollars
next lowest price is 197 US dollars then 258 US dollars
My tickets were $338 all in with fees and in first 15 rows dead center.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
1cdog
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Date: May 22, 2025 19:11
Clearly it is Yoko that is calling all of the shots......
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-05-22 19:11 by 1cdog.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-05-22 19:11 by 1cdog.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
umakmehrd
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Date: May 22, 2025 19:45
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umakmehrd
Lawn tickets for Neil Young at Amphitheater are 80.75 US dollars
next lowest price is 197 US dollars then 258 US dollars
My tickets were $338 all in with fees and in first 15 rows dead center.
Oh yea forgot fees.... awesome seats will be worth every penny!
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
keefriffhards
()
Date: May 22, 2025 23:45
Me thinks Roger is becoming a nasty old man.
Loved this band all my life but Roger is turning me away.
Loved this band all my life but Roger is turning me away.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
RollingFreak
()
Date: May 23, 2025 01:14
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keefriffhards
Me thinks Roger is becoming a nasty old man.
Loved this band all my life but Roger is turning me away.
I care less that Roger is who he is and leading this band than I am what feels like the completely neutering of Pete Townshend. Pete Townshend's songwriting and anger was what always made The Who The Who to me. He was leading the charge and the rest were following him, and it worked great. Pete probably lost control of the band by his own accord, from repeatedly talking about how he really had very little interest in The Who besides as a paycheck, so Roger took it on. Someone had to guard their life's work and legacy. It seems Roger has become a bit drunk with power, and not quite thinking straight, but Pete is as much to blame for sleepwalking through the band for so long. I feel they are both at fault for where the band is at now. Even without Zak, I hope the tour is successful. I won't be seeing it, but I obviously want the Who to have a happy ending. All signs point to kind of a whimper instead of a bang but hey, maybe inventory starts getting moved at some point.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
RollingFreak
()
Date: May 23, 2025 02:20
Quote
Beast
MUCH better PR is this terrific 45-minute interview with Pete, which was aired this morning. He talks briefly about the US tour at the end and says that whether they do anything after that is down to Roger.
[www.bbc.co.uk]
There's a really interesting moment about 20 minutes in where Pete outlines that he and Roger see the Who completely differently. Pete sees it as an art piece. NOT something he wanted to do the rest of his life or represent the rest of his life, but a persona and kind of an outlet (that last bit I'm sort of creating myself) that kind of makes sense of his messed up childhood. But then he says all of this would make Roger laugh, because Roger sees it as a rock band and that Roger has always seen himself as the leader of the Who (which Pete doesn't necessarily agree with but also acknowledges that Roger did recruit Pete and he's grateful) even though Pete wrote all the music (which Pete is surprisingly gracious about).
This really strange dynamic where Roger is essentially living off the music Pete Townshend created that Pete semi resents or sees in a completely different light than Roger. Like Pete would not necessarily be happy to discount that in his life, but doesn't want it to be his main legacy, whereas Roger is so happy to have the life he does because of Pete's music. What a marriage.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
bam
()
Date: May 23, 2025 05:42
Second show in Chicago didn’t sell many tickets today. It’s gonna be a fire sale.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
babyblue
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Date: May 23, 2025 13:50
Well guys no won’t be going.I’d rather see Neil or Rod. I see no reason to fire Zak he’s a very good drummer.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
daspyknows
()
Date: May 23, 2025 18:10
I just think about the lyrics to My Generation and wonder if this is what they meant.
The thing is for me in High School was The Who were the band for me. Not the Stones, Not The Beatles, not The Grateful Dead (yet). Now, the only one of those bands I have a desire to see are The Rolling Stones. Dead and Company, nope, The Who, nope, The Beatles I would go see Paul once on a tour for nostalgia. Age has nothing to do with it either. I am looking forward to seeing Neil in 5 countries and the last two nights I have really enjoyed two artists who have done 50 years (Robyn Hitchcock and Steel Pulse)
The thing is for me in High School was The Who were the band for me. Not the Stones, Not The Beatles, not The Grateful Dead (yet). Now, the only one of those bands I have a desire to see are The Rolling Stones. Dead and Company, nope, The Who, nope, The Beatles I would go see Paul once on a tour for nostalgia. Age has nothing to do with it either. I am looking forward to seeing Neil in 5 countries and the last two nights I have really enjoyed two artists who have done 50 years (Robyn Hitchcock and Steel Pulse)
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
StonesSoCal
()
Date: May 23, 2025 22:42
I'm sorry if this article or comments from Roger were already posted... if Mick said something like this about Keith in preparation of a tour and with ticket sales were already underway, there would be a lot of freaking out on this board; here is the article with the comments from Roger:
[www.dailymail.co.uk]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-05-23 23:25 by StonesSoCal.
[www.dailymail.co.uk]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-05-23 23:25 by StonesSoCal.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
RollingFreak
()
Date: May 23, 2025 23:07
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StonesSoCal
I'm sorry if this article or comments from Roger were already posted... if Mick said something like this about Keith in preparation of a tour and with ticket sales were already underway, there would be a of freaking out on this board; here is the article with the comments from Roger:
[www.dailymail.co.uk]
I'm confused by Roger being confused. Pete has essentially made it clear since 1989 that he's pretty half hearted about The Who. Roger can't be that out of it that not known that. Pete's gone on record as saying these aren't even the band members he'd use. You can accuse Pete of many things but he's pretty straightforward, except clearing up the Zak sitch.
Roger is the only one holding Roger at gunpoint to tour as The Who. Pete would be fine not to. Its weird that Rog is saying he doesn't "have" to do this.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: May 24, 2025 07:02
Daltrey is playing his card. Pete is playing along: it's all a ruse to sell tickets.
It's obvious: if Pete didn't care they wouldn't be doing the ridiculous US tour and whatever after.
It's been ongoing, duhhhhhh....
Mick: The Dirty Work album wasn't that good. It was OKAY. It certainly wasn't a great Rolling Stones album. The feeling inside the band was very bad, too. The relationships were terrible. The health was diabolical. I wasn't in particularly good shape. The rest of the band, they couldn't walk across the Champs Elysées, much less go on the road... Touring Dirty Work would have been a nightmare. It was a terrible period. Everyone was hating each other so much: there were so many disagreements. It was very petty; everyone was so out of their brains, and Charlie was in seriously bad shape. When the idea of touring came up, I said, I don't think it's gonna work. In retrospect I was 100% right. It would have been the worst Rolling Stones tour. Probably would have been the end of the band...
If everything in the garden had been lovely it would have been very nice. But everthing in the garden wasn't lovely, it was @#$%& horrible and it would have taken a @#$%& amount of pruning to... Well, I just think that going on tour with the Stones the way the Stones were would have been a disaster, or a recipe of one. The band was not getting on at ALL. It was AWFUL. The graphic experience to me of a band on tour not working was the Who's last tour (1982). When I saw that it really scared me and it remained with me seeing this real kind of hatred feeling. It was horrible, you know, Pete Townshend being in another hotel and no one speaking. That gave me a real frisson and it was then that I realised that was no way the Stones would go out because it would have been exactly the same, probably worse. It would have been just a money-making tour. It wouldn't have been a Stones TOUR, it would have been the big banana and I just couldn't face that.
We just got fed up with each other. You've got a relationship with musicians that depends on what you produce together. But when you don't produce, you get bad reactions - bands break up. You get difficult periods, and that was one of them...
[timeisonourside.com]
It's obvious: if Pete didn't care they wouldn't be doing the ridiculous US tour and whatever after.
It's been ongoing, duhhhhhh....
Mick: The Dirty Work album wasn't that good. It was OKAY. It certainly wasn't a great Rolling Stones album. The feeling inside the band was very bad, too. The relationships were terrible. The health was diabolical. I wasn't in particularly good shape. The rest of the band, they couldn't walk across the Champs Elysées, much less go on the road... Touring Dirty Work would have been a nightmare. It was a terrible period. Everyone was hating each other so much: there were so many disagreements. It was very petty; everyone was so out of their brains, and Charlie was in seriously bad shape. When the idea of touring came up, I said, I don't think it's gonna work. In retrospect I was 100% right. It would have been the worst Rolling Stones tour. Probably would have been the end of the band...
If everything in the garden had been lovely it would have been very nice. But everthing in the garden wasn't lovely, it was @#$%& horrible and it would have taken a @#$%& amount of pruning to... Well, I just think that going on tour with the Stones the way the Stones were would have been a disaster, or a recipe of one. The band was not getting on at ALL. It was AWFUL. The graphic experience to me of a band on tour not working was the Who's last tour (1982). When I saw that it really scared me and it remained with me seeing this real kind of hatred feeling. It was horrible, you know, Pete Townshend being in another hotel and no one speaking. That gave me a real frisson and it was then that I realised that was no way the Stones would go out because it would have been exactly the same, probably worse. It would have been just a money-making tour. It wouldn't have been a Stones TOUR, it would have been the big banana and I just couldn't face that.
We just got fed up with each other. You've got a relationship with musicians that depends on what you produce together. But when you don't produce, you get bad reactions - bands break up. You get difficult periods, and that was one of them...
[timeisonourside.com]
OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
bye bye johnny
()
Date: May 27, 2025 13:37
From Zak Starkey, May 26:
NOISE&CONFUSION!!!! I had a great phone chat with Roger at the end of last week which truly confused both of us!!!
Rog said I hadn’t been ‘fired’…I had been ‘retired’ to work n my own projects. I explained to Rog that I have just spent nearly 8 weeks at my studio in Jamaica completing these projects, that my group Mantra Of The Cosmos was releasing one single at the beginning of June and after that had run its course ( usually 5/6 weeks ) I was completely available for the foreseeable future….Rog said ‘Oh!’ and we kind of left it there- On good terms and great friends as we have always been . Gotta love these guys. As my mum used to say ‘The mind boggles!!!’ XXX
[www.instagram.com]
NOISE&CONFUSION!!!! I had a great phone chat with Roger at the end of last week which truly confused both of us!!!
Rog said I hadn’t been ‘fired’…I had been ‘retired’ to work n my own projects. I explained to Rog that I have just spent nearly 8 weeks at my studio in Jamaica completing these projects, that my group Mantra Of The Cosmos was releasing one single at the beginning of June and after that had run its course ( usually 5/6 weeks ) I was completely available for the foreseeable future….Rog said ‘Oh!’ and we kind of left it there- On good terms and great friends as we have always been . Gotta love these guys. As my mum used to say ‘The mind boggles!!!’ XXX
[www.instagram.com]
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
MadMax
()
Date: May 27, 2025 14:37
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bye bye johnny
From Zak Starkey, May 26:
NOISE&CONFUSION!!!! I had a great phone chat with Roger at the end of last week which truly confused both of us!!!
Rog said I hadn’t been ‘fired’…I had been ‘retired’ to work n my own projects. I explained to Rog that I have just spent nearly 8 weeks at my studio in Jamaica completing these projects, that my group Mantra Of The Cosmos was releasing one single at the beginning of June and after that had run its course ( usually 5/6 weeks ) I was completely available for the foreseeable future….Rog said ‘Oh!’ and we kind of left it there- On good terms and great friends as we have always been . Gotta love these guys. As my mum used to say ‘The mind boggles!!!’ XXX
[www.instagram.com][/quot
Hopefully he'll get reinstated OR the Noise & Confusion statement is a reference to Oasis' 2001 tour and that he'll join them instead of Mr Waronker.
OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
bye bye johnny
()
Date: May 28, 2025 04:46
Zak Starkey on "BBC Breakfast", May 27
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
Glimmerest
()
Date: May 28, 2025 04:51
Quote
bye bye johnny
Zak Starkey on "BBC Breakfast", May 27
This is pretty sad honestly, he seems bummed (and maybe drunk?) at not getting to be part of the Oasis reunion.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: May 28, 2025 07:23
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bye bye johnny
Zak Starkey on "BBC Breakfast", May 27
The subtitles... what is that about?
Makes ZERO SENSE.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: May 28, 2025 07:27
It all makes sense now.
Yet.
The Who have drank the wrong tea to fire Zak.
They're a solid load of old tossers. They're not worth bothering with. Why anyone would pay to go see "The Who" is a tosser.
The Fake Who.
Yet.
The Who have drank the wrong tea to fire Zak.
They're a solid load of old tossers. They're not worth bothering with. Why anyone would pay to go see "The Who" is a tosser.
The Fake Who.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: May 28, 2025 08:59
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GasLightStreetQuote
bye bye johnny
Zak Starkey on "BBC Breakfast", May 27
The subtitles... what is that about?
Makes ZERO SENSE.
The viewer has put those on; not the BBC.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
mosthigh
()
Date: May 28, 2025 09:23
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Big AlQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
bye bye johnny
Zak Starkey on "BBC Breakfast", May 27
The subtitles... what is that about?
Makes ZERO SENSE.
The viewer has put those on; not the BBC.
Yes those subtitles are way off. Either typed by someone with poor hearing or AI.
So WHO knows why he got sacked, other than something went on behind the scenes that no one's talking about.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2025-05-28 09:25 by mosthigh.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
Valeswood
()
Date: May 28, 2025 10:41
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GasLightStreet
It all makes sense now.
Yet.
The Who have drank the wrong tea to fire Zak.
They're a solid load of old tossers. They're not worth bothering with. Why anyone would pay to go see "The Who" is a tosser.
The Fake Who.
That would make me a Grade 1 Tosser, Gaslight!
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
buffalo7478
()
Date: May 28, 2025 21:55
Seeing them several times with Kenny Jones, Simon Phillips, Zak over the years...I think Zak was the sloppiest of the bunch at times...more sloppy as time went on. Not that that is always a bad thing. Keith Moon was all over the place some nights. But Keith was Keith...not the 3rd or 4th drummer they hired over the years, Pete and Roger are older and likely less tolerant of what is happening around them. Frankly, the drummer Roger had in his solo band when I last saw them was fine. Didn't have Zak's swagger/personality, but was able to adjust to fit the wide range of tunes.
They're old, grumpy and maybe using it as a cash cow....but have earned that right. No one has to go.
They're old, grumpy and maybe using it as a cash cow....but have earned that right. No one has to go.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
RollingFreak
()
Date: May 28, 2025 22:31
Quote
GasLightStreet
It all makes sense now.
Yet.
The Who have drank the wrong tea to fire Zak.
They're a solid load of old tossers. They're not worth bothering with. Why anyone would pay to go see "The Who" is a tosser.
The Fake Who.
I know its been said a ton of times but while I'm not happy with what the Who has done in the last recent bit, they are no faker than the current Stones are. I don't know how anyone could argue that.
Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by:
umakmehrd
()
Date: May 28, 2025 23:58
Agreed.. at this point it's really all nostalgia for both bands.. but its the music we grew up on and love.... I'm looking forward to Vancouver Sept 23... don't really care who's (pardon the pun) on the Drums or Bass... I'm there to see Pete's windmills and Rogers Mic twirls 
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