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I was there. I don’t believe for a second that it had anything to do with how he played. But things happen. People have their reasons, and this is the story they want to share with the public. Bands evolve though. Next chapter. The Who goes on. I personally loved the version of the band that played RAH a few years back (Rogers band), and would love to see them do a tour.

If they come back through here again I would see them, but the clips I've seen from Roger's most recent solo band sound pretty anemic to me.

This doesn't feel that long ago, but somehow it was 18 years ago - the power they still had here is amazing I think. I could listen to this version of the band jam for a really long time. [www.youtube.com]

Wow tnx. My first and only who gig! You could buy a dvd of every show but i lost it

Am I wrong or was there no plexi glass in front of Zak's drums at RAH? Even though he used the particular sort of electric drums I seem to hear Roger saying after quitting singing that "there is no plexi/barrier..." (incomprehensible, maybe he says "there's no pitch here" but my suggestion would make sense)

On a side note, Pete's guitar roadie seems to be ready with the Gibson jumbo had they chosen to perform it acoustically, quick thinking!



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Am I wrong or was there no plexi glass in front of Zak's drums at RAH? Even though he used the particular sort of electric drums I seem to hear Roger saying after quitting singing that "there is no plexi/barrier..." (incomprehensible, maybe he says "there's no pitch here" but my suggestion would make sense)

On a side note, Pete's guitar roadie seems to be ready with the Gibson jumbo had they chosen to perform it acoustically, quick thinking!

Max, some Oasis fans are speculating that this’ll mean Zak will rejoining Noel and Liam

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Am I wrong or was there no plexi glass in front of Zak's drums at RAH? Even though he used the particular sort of electric drums I seem to hear Roger saying after quitting singing that "there is no plexi/barrier..." (incomprehensible, maybe he says "there's no pitch here" but my suggestion would make sense)

On a side note, Pete's guitar roadie seems to be ready with the Gibson jumbo had they chosen to perform it acoustically, quick thinking!

Max, some Oasis fans are speculating that this’ll mean Zak will rejoining Noel and Liam

Hopefully Al! As Zak's probably in monthly contact with Andy (due to Mantra Of The Cosmos) they must lobby it to the brothers. To paraphrase Keith in -75; "after all, this is an English band!"



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Am I wrong or was there no plexi glass in front of Zak's drums at RAH? Even though he used the particular sort of electric drums I seem to hear Roger saying after quitting singing that "there is no plexi/barrier..." (incomprehensible, maybe he says "there's no pitch here" but my suggestion would make sense)

On a side note, Pete's guitar roadie seems to be ready with the Gibson jumbo had they chosen to perform it acoustically, quick thinking!

Max, some Oasis fans are speculating that this’ll mean Zak will rejoining Noel and Liam

I really hope that doesn’t happen - Zak is a great drummer but he didn’t fit Oasis live at all in ‘04-06. Joey Waronker has already signed on for the tour and will be a far better fit.

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I thought Zak played great at the RAH, but the drum sound was terrible. Muted and quiet. Level 42 were the warm up act, and their drums sounded so much more vital and kicked you in the guts.

Is it a simple difference of elec. v acoustic drum kits?

I love the Who dearly, and think Roger has an incredible voice, but I have increasingly come to the conclusion over the last couple of decades that he is a bit of a tw@t.

I also thought the was no problem with the drummer. If there was a problem, it would be the stage sound system/people, not the drummer.

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I thought Zak played great at the RAH, but the drum sound was terrible. Muted and quiet. Level 42 were the warm up act, and their drums sounded so much more vital and kicked you in the guts.

Is it a simple difference of elec. v acoustic drum kits?

I love the Who dearly, and think Roger has an incredible voice, but I have increasingly come to the conclusion over the last couple of decades that he is a bit of a tw@t.

I also thought the was no problem with the drummer. If there was a problem, it would be the stage sound system/people, not the drummer.

Roger said it was his playing not the sound system.

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I thought Zak played great at the RAH, but the drum sound was terrible. Muted and quiet. Level 42 were the warm up act, and their drums sounded so much more vital and kicked you in the guts.

Is it a simple difference of elec. v acoustic drum kits?

I love the Who dearly, and think Roger has an incredible voice, but I have increasingly come to the conclusion over the last couple of decades that he is a bit of a tw@t.

I also thought the was no problem with the drummer. If there was a problem, it would be the stage sound system/people, not the drummer.

Roger said it was his playing not the sound system. Done

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Am I wrong or was there no plexi glass in front of Zak's drums at RAH? Even though he used the particular sort of electric drums I seem to hear Roger saying after quitting singing that "there is no plexi/barrier..." (incomprehensible, maybe he says "there's no pitch here" but my suggestion would make sense)

On a side note, Pete's guitar roadie seems to be ready with the Gibson jumbo had they chosen to perform it acoustically, quick thinking!

Max, some Oasis fans are speculating that this’ll mean Zak will rejoining Noel and Liam

I really hope that doesn’t happen - Zak is a great drummer but he didn’t fit Oasis live at all in ‘04-06. Joey Waronker has already signed on for the tour and will be a far better fit.

Interesting, I thought he really fit with Oasis. Listen to Cigarettes and Alcohol from Ryman in Nashville and then let me know what you think...

He was ace during the whole Don't Believe The Truth tour, songs like Acquiesce and Live Forever got their former glory back with that "battleship-like" drumming

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Am I wrong or was there no plexi glass in front of Zak's drums at RAH? Even though he used the particular sort of electric drums I seem to hear Roger saying after quitting singing that "there is no plexi/barrier..." (incomprehensible, maybe he says "there's no pitch here" but my suggestion would make sense)

On a side note, Pete's guitar roadie seems to be ready with the Gibson jumbo had they chosen to perform it acoustically, quick thinking!

Max, some Oasis fans are speculating that this’ll mean Zak will rejoining Noel and Liam

I really hope that doesn’t happen - Zak is a great drummer but he didn’t fit Oasis live at all in ‘04-06. Joey Waronker has already signed on for the tour and will be a far better fit.

Interesting, I thought he really fit with Oasis. Listen to Cigarettes and Alcohol from Ryman in Nashville and then let me know what you think...

He was ace during the whole Don't Believe The Truth tour, songs like Acquiesce and Live Forever got their former glory back with that "battleship-like" drumming

Kind of sort of gotta agree. Zak is brilliant on songs like The Shock Of The Lightning...The only thing better about that song is Liam's stunningly good voice. Zak is a metronome on that until he just explodes...so good

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I thought Zak played great at the RAH, but the drum sound was terrible. Muted and quiet. Level 42 were the warm up act, and their drums sounded so much more vital and kicked you in the guts.

Is it a simple difference of elec. v acoustic drum kits?

I love the Who dearly, and think Roger has an incredible voice, but I have increasingly come to the conclusion over the last couple of decades that he is a bit of a tw@t.

I also thought the was no problem with the drummer. If there was a problem, it would be the stage sound system/people, not the drummer.

Roger said it was his playing not the sound system. Done

There's nothing egregious with the drumming.

Roger couldn't deal.

Roger is done. He just won't fully admit it truthfully.

Can't compare Zak to Keith - Keith Moon would be 78 years old and NOT very likely not playing like he did.

It's atrocious that they fired Zak.

It's weak.

They're done.

Roger has become an old tart and he's upset that he can't keep up with what's presented.

They're way past done. They should've stopped a long time ago.

The Who: 1964-2025.

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I thought Zak played great at the RAH, but the drum sound was terrible. Muted and quiet. Level 42 were the warm up act, and their drums sounded so much more vital and kicked you in the guts.

Is it a simple difference of elec. v acoustic drum kits?

I love the Who dearly, and think Roger has an incredible voice, but I have increasingly come to the conclusion over the last couple of decades that he is a bit of a tw@t.

I also thought the was no problem with the drummer. If there was a problem, it would be the stage sound system/people, not the drummer.

Roger said it was his playing not the sound system. Done

There's nothing egregious with the drumming.

Roger couldn't deal.

Roger is done. He just won't fully admit it truthfully.

Can't compare Zak to Keith - Keith Moon would be 78 years old and NOT very likely not playing like he did.

It's atrocious that they fired Zak.

It's weak.

They're done.

Roger has become an old tart and he's upset that he can't keep up with what's presented.

They're way past done. They should've stopped a long time ago.

The Who: 1964-2025.

Not entirely sure if they're "way past done", but it is well within the realms of possibility that they indeed "are done" ! Were that to be the case, it seems to me to be a bit of a sad way for it to end, but sometimes things just end in ways we least expect !?

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]



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For all that didn’t get the news yet:

Zak is back.

Pete Townshend just posted some random selfie on instagram announcing it

Hahaha!

Just saw that Zak's back

What a joke!

It did get them a fair few column inches, though. Guess that's all that counts

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Hahaha!

Just saw that Zak's back

What a joke!

It did get them a fair few column inches, though. Guess that's all that counts

Such chaos wouldn’t have happened with the Stones. They‘re just far more professional on a business level

Zak should get Roger removed

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Zak should get Roger removed

Now that would be an eminence front.

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Hahaha!

Just saw that Zak's back

What a joke!

It did get them a fair few column inches, though. Guess that's all that counts

Variety

The Who are just following Pete's advice to the Stones.

Rock n Roll HOF Ceremony

News Flash! Who Backs Zak!

He's not being asked to step down from The Who.

There have been some communication issues, personal and private on all sides, that needed to be dealt with, and these have been aired happily.

Roger and I would like Zak to tighten up his latest evolved drumming style to accommodate our non-orchestral line up and he has readily agreed. I take responsibility for some of the confusion. Our TCT shows at the Royal Albert Hall were a little tricky for me. I thought that four and a half weeks would be enough time to recover completely from having a complete knee replacement. (Why did I ever think I could land on my knees?) Wrong!

Maybe we didn’t put enough time into sound checks, giving us problems on stage. The sound in the centre of the stage is always the most difficult to work with. Roger did nothing wrong but fiddle with his in-ear monitors. Zak made a few mistakes and he has apologised. Albeit with a rubber duck drummer.

We are a family, this blew up very quickly and got too much oxygen. It’s over. We move forward now with optimism and fire in our bellies.

As for Roger, fans can enjoy his forthcoming solo shows with his fabulous drummer, Scott Devours, who it was rumoured might replace Zak in The Who and has always been supportive of the band.

I owe Scott an apology for not crushing that rumour before it spread. He has been hurt by this. I promise to buy him a very long drink and give him a hug.

Pete Townshend
19 April 2025

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Nice to read such honesty from PT

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Nice to read such honesty from PT

Indeed! Such an honest and clarifying message from Pete, there.

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Nice to read such honesty from PT

Indeed! Such an honest and clarifying message from Pete, there.

Indeed indeed! Let's see if Roger deigns to explain his take on it in similar spirit, Am not holding my breath but you never know.

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Nice to read such honesty from PT

Indeed! Such an honest and clarifying message from Pete, there.

Indeed indeed! Let's see if Roger deigns to explain his take on it in similar spirit, Am not holding my breath but you never know.

Neither am I, but we'll see !

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]

''Roger and I would like Zak to tighten up his latest evolved drumming style ''

I admire the team spirit in this sentence, but I'm not sure I believe it...

No apologies to Zak......?

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No apologies to Zak......?

It sounds like they've spoken privately, if Zak is "back". I imagine an apology happened during that convo?

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Zak should get Roger removed

Now that would be an eminence front.

I'm thinking more of a slip kid, but I like your idea a tiny bit better

Seems like the best outcome everyone involved could expect. Bless PT for still being interested enough to sort it out.

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Hahaha!

Just saw that Zak's back

What a joke!

It did get them a fair few column inches, though. Guess that's all that counts

The Who are THE joke of 2025.