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Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: December 12, 2019 12:48

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I cant see rogers voice doing 4 shows in two days or is the 12 and 14 three days?

My guess is the shows will only last about 30-40 minutes.

Mine too. Great for those living relatively locally but hardly worth a day off work and an awkward return journey from Swindon to be there. I might give it a miss. I was at the Ronnie show but it's a long day and we at least got him for an hour and a half.



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Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: Beast ()
Date: December 12, 2019 13:02

Got one for 12th - yay!!

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: ChrisL ()
Date: December 12, 2019 13:11

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Got one for 12th - yay!!

Well done Beast!

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: Ket ()
Date: December 12, 2019 13:18

Got one as well! what a journey. I had one in my basket but every time I tried to pay by credit card the site returned message 'unable to take payment.' finally tried pay pal and that worked.

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: Beast ()
Date: December 12, 2019 13:20

Thanks, ChrisL - you must've passed on your flush of luck to me! Because they again disappeared in nanoseconds, even though there were slightly more available today - 800 as opposed to 500 yesterday.



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Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: December 12, 2019 13:52

Well stuff it. I just knew I couldn't resist it, arduous journey or not. In for the early show. I kept refreshing my screen like crazy after it was nominally sold out and scooped up 2 tickets. See whoever's going there. Glad it's the early show too. After the endless delays for Ronnie's show at the church, I caught the last bus home by 2 minutes.

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: crawdaddy ()
Date: December 12, 2019 19:18

Reminds me of one of the best Who gigs I seen at Indigo O2 some years back in another small venue.
Beast,paulywaul and I think SiverDagger were also there right up front.

Pryzm is in the same building as the old Granada Cinema back in the 60's when The Stones played two shows there on February 13th 1964.
The Who also played there about that time as well.
The Weatherspoons pub is on the other side of the road.

A video here of The 1975 playing at Pryzm and phones held up high in the air may be an annoyance.

[youtu.be]

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: December 12, 2019 19:32

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I cant see rogers voice doing 4 shows in two days or is the 12 and 14 three days?

My guess is the shows will only last about 30-40 minutes.

Being that these are acoustic shows with less strain on Rogers vocals, eems they could be longer.
And considering the intimacy, maybe some stories and lighthearted banter in between songs.
Whatever the case...30, 40, 60, or even 90 minutes...it should be a fantastic experience. thumbs up

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Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: December 12, 2019 19:42

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Reminds me of one of the best Who gigs I seen at Indigo O2 some years back in another small venue.
Beast,paulywaul and I think SiverDagger were also there right up front.

Pryzm is in the same building as the old Granada Cinema back in the 60's when The Stones played two shows there on February 13th 1964.
The Who also played there about that time as well.
The Weatherspoons pub is on the other side of the road.

A video here of The 1975 playing at Pryzm and phones held up high in the air may be an annoyance.

[youtu.be]

Some excellent background info there Tony - much appreciated. There's no substitute for local knowledge! I ate in said 'Spoons (The King's Tun) before the Ronnie gig last month. It's definitely one of the better JD Wetherspoons too. Phones in the air were as bad as I've ever seen it at his show. Taking the odd still shot is fine. Videoing whole songs and obstructing people's view is so off and far too many do it these days.

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: johnnythunders ()
Date: December 12, 2019 20:13

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crawdaddy
Reminds me of one of the best Who gigs I seen at Indigo O2 some years back in another small venue.
Beast,paulywaul and I think SiverDagger were also there right up front.

Pryzm is in the same building as the old Granada Cinema back in the 60's when The Stones played two shows there on February 13th 1964.
The Who also played there about that time as well.
The Weatherspoons pub is on the other side of the road.

A video here of The 1975 playing at Pryzm and phones held up high in the air may be an annoyance.

[youtu.be]
I remember that gig. They played Slip Kid after scaring us to death when they left the stage after 60 seconds (PTs ears playing up)

OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: bye bye johnny ()
Date: December 12, 2019 22:24

The Story Behind the Who’s Iconic ‘A Quick One’ Performance, Now Available in Glorious HD

By Devon Ivie
12/12/19


Photo: Mark and Colleen Hayward/Redferns

[www.vulture.com]

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: rattler2004 ()
Date: December 13, 2019 01:44

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Any get their Ticketmaster CD’s yet?

Not yet, even though I received a shipment notification last Wednesday - must be the Pony Express...

Finally got mine.

the shoot 'em dead, brainbell jangler!

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: Beast ()
Date: December 13, 2019 02:07

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crawdaddy
Reminds me of one of the best Who gigs I seen at Indigo O2 some years back in another small venue.
Beast,paulywaul and I think SiverDagger were also there right up front.

Pryzm is in the same building as the old Granada Cinema back in the 60's when The Stones played two shows there on February 13th 1964.
The Who also played there about that time as well.
The Weatherspoons pub is on the other side of the road.

A video here of The 1975 playing at Pryzm and phones held up high in the air may be an annoyance.

[youtu.be]
I remember that gig. They played Slip Kid after scaring us to death when they left the stage after 60 seconds (PTs ears playing up)

Too right, crawdaddy! And it was Silver Dagger and/or Sonic Dreamer.

Almost 11 years ago to the day and it was indeed a very scary moment. On the plus side, it has to be the only time that a Who audience was privileged to hear the intro to I Can't Explain twice. Unforgettable.

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: satisfaction2 ()
Date: December 13, 2019 15:29

Got tix for the 2 shows on February 12. I'm very happy!

Kingston, here I come again. Flying in from DUS. First visit in Kingston was Ronnie in Church.

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: December 13, 2019 17:40

Had decently high hopes with the first song, but I'm up to Detour and not meant to be a party pooper but there's nothing particularly interesting about this album yet. At least not any more than any of their albums since Moon's death.

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: December 13, 2019 17:55

A couple of 75-year old burnouts fail to produce Who's Next Pt. 2.

I'm SHOCKED!

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: floodonthepage ()
Date: December 13, 2019 18:14

Come on, the new album by The Two must be amazing, since "thank god", John and Keith are dead, for Pete's sake. Maybe I'll save up my $5.00 and check them out next time they book an amphitheater near me. Kinda steep pricing though to go see some attention starved jackass screaming about the world.

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: December 13, 2019 18:56

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A couple of 75-year old burnouts fail to produce Who's Next Pt. 2.

I'm SHOCKED!

Come on, I didn't say that. I've enjoyed some of what these guys have done since their golden years. Hell, I'm a big fan of A Bigger Bang. I don't immediately look down on an older band doing a new record. But to me this ranks with most of McCartney's albums since 1980. Maybe a good song here or there, but largely completely inconsequential to their career and forgettable. I know everything doesn't have to be Who's Next, I wouldn't expect it. But what I heard was not an album I'd recommend others hear. I don't really think they're missing anything.

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: keefriff99 ()
Date: December 13, 2019 20:16

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A couple of 75-year old burnouts fail to produce Who's Next Pt. 2.

I'm SHOCKED!

Come on, I didn't say that. I've enjoyed some of what these guys have done since their golden years. Hell, I'm a big fan of A Bigger Bang. I don't immediately look down on an older band doing a new record. But to me this ranks with most of McCartney's albums since 1980. Maybe a good song here or there, but largely completely inconsequential to their career and forgettable. I know everything doesn't have to be Who's Next, I wouldn't expect it. But what I heard was not an album I'd recommend others hear. I don't really think they're missing anything.
Sorry, I was just being a dick. I guess my point I was never expecting much from these two at this point, especially after the first couple of songs were released.

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: December 13, 2019 20:32

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A couple of 75-year old burnouts fail to produce Who's Next Pt. 2.

I'm SHOCKED!

Come on, I didn't say that. I've enjoyed some of what these guys have done since their golden years. Hell, I'm a big fan of A Bigger Bang. I don't immediately look down on an older band doing a new record. But to me this ranks with most of McCartney's albums since 1980. Maybe a good song here or there, but largely completely inconsequential to their career and forgettable. I know everything doesn't have to be Who's Next, I wouldn't expect it. But what I heard was not an album I'd recommend others hear. I don't really think they're missing anything.
Sorry, I was just being a dick. I guess my point I was never expecting much from these two at this point, especially after the first couple of songs were released.

I figured you were just screwing around but you can never be sure on the internet lol. Yes, I wouldn't expect anything either from any of these old rockers. I've learned from reviews that almost any of these bands, since the albums are infrequent, will probably get the review of "best in 20 years!" that aren't reliable. Again, thats basically every Springsteen or McCartney review. Or Neil Young, or many others. This one a lot of actual fans seemed to be saying is pretty decent, so I'm disappointed not cause reviewers got my hopes up but because fans seemed to dig it. I'd trust their opinions most of the time but I just think this is totally forgettable. Glad others are enjoying it though. Again, I thought the first song was funny enough that I enjoyed it. Its cheeky and I thought a good intro. I didn't like another song till Got Nothing To Prove, which is apparently from 1966 so that makes sense lol.

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: December 14, 2019 00:36

After a first full listen from start to finish, I'd say it's quite pleasant. Not 100% fantastic or earth shattering, but quite pleasant and enjoyable, and you have to give them credit for going for it.
The first track All This Music Must Fade is true kicker, as is Ball and Chain and I Don't Wanna Get Wise to a lesser degree, but have heard them a few times already so there's some familiarity.
Will listen a few more times start to finish before saying much more, but as it stands as a whole I think it's the best since Who Are You which isn't saying much really as Face Dances, It's Hard, and Endless Wire were mostly crud imo.
The bottom line at this point is that it's great that a classic rock and roll band in their 70's is releasing new music, and new music that isn't embarrassing...it's really quite pleasant and enjoyable.

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Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: December 14, 2019 00:50

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After a first full listen from start to finish, I'd say it's quite pleasant. Not 100% fantastic or earth shattering, but quite pleasant and enjoyable, and you have to give them credit for going for it.
The first track All This Music Must Fade is true kicker, as is Ball and Chain and I Don't Wanna Get Wise to a lesser degree, but have heard them a few times already so there's some familiarity.
Will listen a few more times start to finish before saying much more, but as it stands as a whole I think it's the best since Who Are You which isn't saying much really as Face Dances, It's Hard, and Endless Wire were mostly crud imo.
The bottom line at this point is that it's great that a classic rock and roll band in their 70's is releasing new music, and new music that isn't embarrassing...it's really quite pleasant and enjoyable.

I'll just say off the bat I swear I'm NOT trying to get under your skin, and I think thats a really measured response, and I think you summed it up well at the end but its why its hard for me to necessarily agree. I think you're right that basically its pleasant. I would say its more "by the numbers" and just altogether "unassuming" but I think pleasant works as well. I think the thing for me is, and again, its obviously out of their control, but for a band that made such INCREDIBLE music, to then just be "pleasant" isn't bad, but its just sad. Sad that that creative spark just really isn't there anymore. When the bar's been set so low as "at least its not embarrassing" for a band that used to make some of the greatest music ever... I know its inevitable, and maybe unfair, but I think thats why I judge it harsher. Cause there's already so much good stuff that if its just gonna be "pleasant" I'm personally just not necessarily sure if its worth it.

Again, coming from someone who likes A Bigger Bang so what do I would know. I don't necessary share the sentiment of "I think its just great that an old band is still making music." Personally, sure I'm glad they're still alive, but if you're making music that isn't altogether that great I'm not necessarily sure I'd say "keep doing it". Especially not under a hallowed name that you can't live up to. But I totally get where you're coming from and I think you summed it all up quite well there, even if you're more complimentary to the record than me. I don't mind if a band keeps going make crap albums until they hit a good one (again, the way I feel with the Stones from Steel Wheels to a Bigger Bang), but I also then don't necessarily rate the mediocre ones highly just because its "not terrible."

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: LazarusSmith ()
Date: December 14, 2019 01:08

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After a first full listen from start to finish, I'd say it's quite pleasant. Not 100% fantastic or earth shattering, but quite pleasant and enjoyable, and you have to give them credit for going for it.
The first track All This Music Must Fade is true kicker, as is Ball and Chain and I Don't Wanna Get Wise to a lesser degree, but have heard them a few times already so there's some familiarity.
Will listen a few more times start to finish before saying much more, but as it stands as a whole I think it's the best since Who Are You which isn't saying much really as Face Dances, It's Hard, and Endless Wire were mostly crud imo.
The bottom line at this point is that it's great that a classic rock and roll band in their 70's is releasing new music, and new music that isn't embarrassing...it's really quite pleasant and enjoyable.

I'll just say off the bat I swear I'm NOT trying to get under your skin, and I think thats a really measured response, and I think you summed it up well at the end but its why its hard for me to necessarily agree. I think you're right that basically its pleasant. I would say its more "by the numbers" and just altogether "unassuming" but I think pleasant works as well. I think the thing for me is, and again, its obviously out of their control, but for a band that made such INCREDIBLE music, to then just be "pleasant" isn't bad, but its just sad. Sad that that creative spark just really isn't there anymore. When the bar's been set so low as "at least its not embarrassing" for a band that used to make some of the greatest music ever... I know its inevitable, and maybe unfair, but I think thats why I judge it harsher. Cause there's already so much good stuff that if its just gonna be "pleasant" I'm personally just not necessarily sure if its worth it.

Again, coming from someone who likes A Bigger Bang so what do I would know. I don't necessary share the sentiment of "I think its just great that an old band is still making music." Personally, sure I'm glad they're still alive, but if you're making music that isn't altogether that great I'm not necessarily sure I'd say "keep doing it". Especially not under a hallowed name that you can't live up to. But I totally get where you're coming from and I think you summed it all up quite well there, even if you're more complimentary to the record than me. I don't mind if a band keeps going make crap albums until they hit a good one (again, the way I feel with the Stones from Steel Wheels to a Bigger Bang), but I also then don't necessarily rate the mediocre ones highly just because its "not terrible."

I'M SURE THAT'S WHAT PETE WAS GOING FOR ... PLEASANT.

JUST LISTENED TO IT ON SPOTIFY AND HAVE FORGOTTEN IT - WAS IT ANY GOOD?

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: December 14, 2019 01:29

My comment "new music that isn't embarrassing" was in reference to the Stones' A Bigger Bang album which for the most part was embarrassing imo. Some of Mick's solo albums/singles also fall in that category - again imo.
And by calling the new Who album "pleasant and enjoyable" I was being subtle and having some restraint upon first impression - not being overly critical or overly praiseworthy.
But after a pleasant and enjoyable first impression listening experience, I can almost guarantee I will like it even more than I do now.
Will I ever agree with some of the critics who have said things like "5 stars and best since Quadrophenia"? Highly doubtful.
Speaking of new music by rock bands in their '70's, where are those darn Stones?

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Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: December 14, 2019 05:44

From Rock Cellar:

Roger Daltrey: On The Who’s New Album ‘WHO,’ His Creative Process With Pete Townshend and Getting Old (The Interview)

WHO

The Who accomplished a great deal in their heyday, but judged against fellow ‘60s contemporaries The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and The Kinks, the group’s recorded output body of work is relatively small. But what they lack in sheer quantity is made up by a strong, must-listen collection of classic albums; witness the pop art swagger of The Who Sell Out, groundbreaking pop-operas Tommy and Quadrophenia and the introspective angst of Who By Numbers to find a band truly in its element.

Simply titled WHO, the band’s first new record in 13 years, is available now. It’s a thrilling, spirited snapshot of the group in the 21st century, delivering exquisite songs penned by Pete Townshend (and one by brother Simon), inventive arrangements, the powerhouse vocals of Roger Daltrey and spectacular musicianship.Vital and bold, ambitious and defiant, The Who continue to forge their legacy with snotty pride and a winning f#@k you attitude that separates them from their peers, even now. But let Daltrey himself talk about all that and more …


Rock Cellar: Roger, you grew up in the hard scrap working town of Shepherd’s Bush, London. What’s the most Shepherd’s Bush thing about you?

Roger Daltrey: Most Shepherd’s Bush thing about me? That’s a really tricky one to answer. (long pause) Well, you never forget where you came from. I always feel very much at home, even when I go back there today. And it’s very, very different today from when I grew up there. It’s what created our work ethic so it was very important, and I always carry that with me.

Rock Cellar: 52 years ago, The Who came to America for the first time and played your very first shows at the RKO Theater in New York City. Being a huge fan of American music, blues and Elvis Presley, in particular, what did it mean for you and the band to set foot on U.S. soil for the very first time?

Roger Daltrey: I was just astounded at the scale of it. I was open-mouthed at the amount of food. (laughs) We’ve never seen food like it. We’d just come out of rationing from the war. In those days we used to smuggle steak home. (laughs) We used to call England “the land of suet” and America “the land of steak.” As for the shows at the RKO Theater, we did four shows a day. It was ridiculous. We only were able to play two songs; it was just crazy, but that’s the way things were then. We used to do “I Can’t Explain” and “My Generation” and destroy our equipment, smash a guitar every show. It was crazy. Musically, it meant nothing, but what it did is it was the statement that put The Who on the map, of course. They thought we were all mad — and of course, we all were. (laughs)

Rock Cellar: Throughout your life, has there someone you’ve always been able to go to who will tell you the truth and not tell you what you want to hear?

Roger Daltrey: In the early years, not really. You’re just driven by your ambition and your youth, but then around late ’67 I met the woman who would be my wife and she’s been the one, personally, in my life who’s helped to keep me relatively balanced. It’s not an easy life to live, the kind of life we lived. It was hard. I was away for long periods of time and we were young and stupid and getting robbed left, right and center, but she was the one who kept me as centered as I could be at the time.

Rock Cellar: And your wife is still the one to give it to you straight?

Roger Daltrey: Oh blimey … you don’t row with my missus. (laughs)

Rock Cellar: When Pete sent you the tracks for the new Who album, what was your initial impression of the songs?

Roger Daltrey: My initial reaction was that they’re really interesting songs but it’s a Pete Townshend solo album, not a Who album. I did quite a lot of work on the songs melodically, changing some of the tenses of the songs to make them connect with an audience rather than being “I” songs, you know.

Rock Cellar: I was reading the lyrics for the songs on the album and they must be Pete’s original lyrics; in the song “I Don’t Wanna Get Wise,” there are quite a few fixes on the recorded version with tenses of words from “I” to “we” and “you” to “us,” and so on.

Roger Daltrey: Well, that song puts in a nutshell things I was trying to get my head around, because to me it screamed at me and I don’t like music to be screaming at me. I like music that sings to me.

Rock Cellar: How were you able to eventually find your way into the material?

Roger Daltrey: Well, I kept listening to it and kept thinking, “How the @#$%& am I gonna do this? How the @#$%& am I gonna do this?” It has to come from my heart; it can’t come from my head, otherwise I’m gonna sing it terribly. It’s all about connecting what’s going on in your heart through your vocals and into the ears of the listener. To do that, you really have to understand and mean every word you sing. So it wasn’t easy, but Pete gave me permission to change the tenses and I did. I changed it to “he was” from “I was,” “we were,” “we’re all.” Things like that. In my opinion it’s made them better songs and more interesting songs for everyone when you broaden the scope from a single individual.

Rock Cellar: When did you realize it was gonna work and that you would find your way inside the songs and be able to deliver them authentically and from the heart?

Roger Daltrey: I knew after three weeks in a demo studio. I do vocals completely separate from the band and Pete. I don’t like to be with anyone. I have to be alone with a lyric and just let myself fly with it. I can’t have any intervention from anybody. So I work with the same producer all the time, which is why it’s a different producer for the vocals on the record than the producer of the album. It takes a long time to get to where I can be really comfortable with someone and really let it fly, because vocals are all about freedom of the heart. So after about three weeks I suddenly thought, “Yeah, I’m getting to grips with this.” One of the first songs I did was “Beads On One String” and also “Hero Ground Zero.” And I thought this could be alright. I was rushing though at first, because the album was supposed to come out (laughs) originally in May. If I could go back and redo a few of the vocals I could still polish them even a little bit more and make them even better. But sadly when we recorded it it had to be finished by May, so I was under enormous pressure. Of course now it’s coming out in December and I could have gone back in and done a few little things that I only can hear and no one else would notice. But I do and I would have changed them, you know. But that’s my business (laughs).

Rock Cellar: When you were laying down vocals on Who songs in the ‘60s and ‘70s, you didn’t have the luxury to go off and put down your vocals in the same manner. How were you able to connect with the songs vocally and sing them from the heart under those constraints where you weren’t afforded three weeks to find your way into the material?

Roger Daltrey: Well, I didn’t use to sketch my vocals in those days, it was always working straight away with the producer, which was usually Glyn Johns back then. But with Who’s Next, for instance, that was a piece of cake. It was easier than anything ‘cause we played it live for about three or four months before we actually recorded it so it was living in my head already and I already got my head around what I wanted to do with it and got it out of my head to where I wanted the voice to be. So that was easy. With Quadrophenia, I didn’t do any of my vocals with the band in the studio; I worked alone. I mean, with “Love Reign O’er Me” it was myself and Glyn Johns in the studio and we recorded “Love Reign O’er Me” way before we even started recording Quadrophenia. We recorded “Love Reign O’er Me” when Lou Reisner recorded the orchestrated classical Tommy album. I did that version of “Love Reign O’er Me” as I heard it, which was exactly the opposite of how Pete wrote it. He wrote it as a gentle love song and I sang it as a primal orgasmic scream. (laughs) The ultimate orgasm! (laughs) So that’s the way I’ve always worked, really. If I go in and do guide vocals, by the time I come to do the real vocals it doesn’t work for me. When the band is trying to learn a song, let someone else do the guide vocals. As long as the band plays the chords, I’ll find the melody and the connection once you’ve done your work; (laughing) I can’t do it while you’re trying to find your bit.

Rock Cellar: Looking back at The Who’s career, what have been the most challenging songs for you to sing?

Roger Daltrey: There’s no Who song that’s easy. There is no such thing as an easy Who song to sing; okay, maybe “Squeeze Box.” We’ve done some concerts where people come up and sing Who songs when we’re celebrating the music of The Who and they always come up afterwards and say to me, “How the @#$%& do you do this for two hours?” They can’t believe how difficult the songs are to sing because they’re all lyrics and there’s very few solos. If there were ten-minute solos I wouldn’t know what to do, I would have been bored with it.

Rock Cellar: Listening to Pete’s “Scoop” collection of his demos, it’s an eye-opener to discover how you’ve reinvented the songs by your own vocal interpretations, and for the better, I might add.

Roger Daltrey: I feel very strongly about making them into Who songs. It’s more than just singing them, that’s all that I can say. It’s much, much more than being the singer in the band.

Rock Cellar: You and Pete are diametrically opposite personalities and individuals, yet there’s no singer in the world that inhabits his songs like you do. What’s the connective tissue in Pete’s songwriting that pulls you in?

Roger Daltrey: Well, I don’t know if it’s true that there’s no one else than can sing Pete songs better than me. You’d have to spend a long time looking, but there might be someone.

Rock Cellar: Does Pete still surprise you as a writer?

Roger Daltrey: Yeah, he always surprises me as a writer. I’m such a fan of his writing. I’ve always been a fan of his musical ability. I’m bored of quite a lot of rock music generally, you know. It doesn’t seem to have expanded much since the late ‘70s, it seems to be stuck. But Townshend, some way or another, always seems he is able to break the mold. He seems to be able to push it that extra bit further that turns your head. I’ve always, always had incredible admiration for him for doing that.

Rock Cellar: Is there a song on the new album that best sums up the record for you?

Roger Daltrey: I can’t be objective about that. That’s a tough one. Music is what you like at the time and whatever is gonna touch you at the moment. Music is a strange thing. Like when I released my solo album last year, the album was not supposed to come out at the time of year when they released it. The whole album was a lament; it was all about lost love, an aching heart. It was all about that. It only works in the fall, it can’t work in the spring. Spring is when you want to hear party time music, but in the fall you sit back by the fire when it’s snowing out and go, “’let’s have a bit of sad music.” (laughing) You can feel a bit sorry for yourself.

Rock Cellar: The leadoff track, “All This Music Must Fade,” really grabs you.

Roger Daltrey: Yes, that’s true but it’s very old-time Who. For me, I like it when The Who break the rules and do something like “She Rocked My World.” The Who will always surprise you like that.

Rock Cellar: I mentioned “I Don’t Wanna Get Wise” earlier; that song carries the fire of classic Who.

Roger Daltrey: It’s a song about all of us. We’re all hypocrites. I mean, we’ve got this general election going on over here at the moment and everyone is saying our current prime minister is a liar. We’ve all told lies at some time in our life. We’re all liars. We are human. (laughs) It’s true. The Who were a bunch of shits in the early days and made lots of mistakes, but we did get lucky and it did trigger our breaks. But hopefully now we don’t stay stupid forever. (laughs)

Rock Cellar: The Who By Numbers album, for example, is filled with songs that don’t fit the archetype of the epic power chord driven music that you expect from The Who; the song “How Many Friends” is a perfect example of being a song that veers from that.

Roger Daltrey: Yes. “How Many Friends” is a song I do with my solo band fairly regularly; I love doing that song, And that’s not to say I don’t like the others that sound more like you expect from The Who, but what I love about The Who is we do those songs that are not instant ball-grabbers but they’ll take you on a journey somewhere else and you’ll go, “@#$%& me, is that The Who?”

Rock Cellar: “Imagine A Man” from The Who By Numbers is a song the band never played live and it worked beautifully on the recent Who shows with the orchestra. What inspired you to pull that one out?

Roger Daltrey: I’ve always loved that song and I just feel it’s more in tune with today’s world. I think men at the moment are kind of like a lost species, aren’t they? (laughs) “Imagine A Man” is a wonderful, wonderful song. You have to remember that Pete was 29 years old when he wrote that. It’s a beautiful song and I felt it would work well augmented by an orchestra.

Rock Cellar: A track from the new album, “Rockin’ In Rage,” mines the anger, aggression and rage that’s a big part of The Who’s story.

Roger Daltrey: I think with Pete writing that song it’s an awareness of where he is in his life. We’re getting old. I don’t think I’ve ever been so far out on the margins and too old to fight the machetes and blades. That’s how you feel as you’re getting older. You used to walk down the street with cocky bravado and now it’s, “I hope I don’t get blown over!” (laughs)

Rock Cellar: I find that hard to believe — you’re a tough guy.

Roger Daltrey: I’m not a tough guy, I’m just five-foot-four and a half of bloody muscle, that’s all I am. (laughs) I am 75 years old and I don’t bounce.

Rock Cellar: Getting back to the essence of “Rockin’ In Rage,” is it important to have some of that friction and rage to produce vital art?

Roger Daltrey: It’s necessary to have that fuel of friction. You’ve gotta remember, with The Who it used to be we were four individual and creative artists working together. When you think of a rock band, it’s a group of artists presenting their art as a group of artists. Alright, they all do different jobs. The art only gets better if you’ve all got a little bit more to add to it, which can cause friction. So yes, it is very necessary.

Rock Cellar: Judged against your fellow contemporaries, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles and The Kinks, Pete has expressed his regret that The Who’s catalog of studio releases is not stacked nearly as high. Do you, too, regret that the band was not more prolific?

Roger Daltrey: To me, it’s right, but I wish we had done more live shows. I wish we had done more touring when we were red hot and razor sharp. You know, coming off the road the amount we did in the ‘70s, we did films and Tommy and all that other stuff, it was very good for our career generally. But as a rock band, it would have been better if we had done a few more tours, which might have led to more albums. But Pete generally in those days got a lot of his song ideas from the band touring.

Rock Cellar: Do you recall the first time someone said you had a good voice?

Roger Daltrey: Believe it or not, it’s just starting to happen. It’s driven me on. (Keith) Moon was always saying, “We need to change our singer.” (laughs) I wasn’t the kind of guy who liked people blowing smoke up my ass so I really wasn’t joking when I said it’s only been recently in the last few years where I’ve come to grips with my condition of my voice and got it sorted out that people have been telling me, “Wow! You’ve really got a set of pipes!”

Rock Cellar: Having seen you play the closing show of the band’s U.S. tour at the Hollywood Bowl, and having seen the Who live over the past 40 years I’m not sure I’ve ever heard you sing as well. Did you make some kind of devil at the crossroads deal?

Roger Daltrey: (laughs) I’m singing for my life ‘cause I know I don’t have long. I’m running out of years ‘cause I can’t live forever. I just give it everything I’ve got. Basically, that’s it. I’ve been very lucky to find a voice doctor to sort out a pre-cancerous thing that I’ve got and he takes care of me in a way that I couldn’t ever have imagined could have happened to me.

Rock Cellar: You’ve worked with orchestras in the past, most recently on your last solo tour. Discuss how the songs performed in the current Who show are enhanced by orchestration.

Roger Daltrey: What made it work was because of the arrangements. That happened mostly because I found such a great arranger, David Campbell. It all started when I did Tommy the previous year, which he orchestrated. My instruction to him was I didn’t want this to sound like any other rock band playing with an orchestra. I wanted it to sound percussive and melodic but I didn’t want anything to sound like it could be played on a keyboard. And that’s what he came up with. I think he’s done spectacular work and to me, this is like neoclassical music now. It’s the pinnacle of the pyramid, isn’t it? A lot of people were skeptical if this could work, but I do have to tell you I was absolutely gobsmacked when people told me it was the best show they’d ever seen. People forget the power of an orchestra when you hear real strings. We’ve become so used to the shit sound of digital.When they hear real instruments being played really well with really good arrangements and with a really good rock band giving it some stick like Townshend does and the way I sing, it’s @#$%& mega! It makes every hair on your body stand up, doesn’t it?

Rock Cellar: Finally, for many years you’ve spearheaded a Keith Moon film. I’m hearing things might be finally moving forward. What can you tell us about it?

Roger Daltrey: I can’t tell you much about it until it’s done. We’re still working on the screenplay. It’s a very difficult subject, but when we get it ready I’ll be happy to speak to you again.

I’m very optimistic we’re on the right track at last.

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: Lynd8 ()
Date: December 22, 2019 16:59

I've withheld judgment of this new Who CD for a few days as I wanted to give it a fair try. After the first two listens I liked about half of it and upon a couple more listens I really think it's a pretty good album. For me it's still ludicrous
to try and rank it among albums you have listened to 20,30,or 50 years, so I am not going to try. I ended up buying the Japanese edition of the album as I have always found Pete Townshend's demos very cool (SOMEDAY hopefully the Stones officially release some of their demos and we get to hear nice quality outtakes instead of bootlegs).

The demo "Sand" is pretty cool little track - apparently recorded in 1966 and recently juiced a bit with some drums and year appropriate Rickenbacker guitar additions.

"This Gun will "Misfire" is also a pretty good addition to the album and I can't see why it was not included - Pete sings the track and it's a nice break from Daltrey's bellowing vocals LOL.

Another demo is included in the bonus tracks - "Got Nothing to Prove". This is also a 1966 demo with recently added orchestration and somehow it works - it's certainly not trying to pass off as a modern track with Pete's 1966 vocals but it's a cool track.

I think this is a worthy effort and glad to have it. Time will tell where it ranks in their catalogue, but I already think it's better than a couple of their previous efforts and pretty impressive for two guys in their mid-70s.

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: December 22, 2019 18:29

Lynd8, without going into dissecting detail I believe your post is spot on. Indeed a very nice effort but not in their best works in my opinion. That doesn't mean it's not good as some might want to interpret these type of comments.

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: Lynd8 ()
Date: December 22, 2019 19:23

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frankotero
Lynd8, without going into dissecting detail I believe your post is spot on. Indeed a very nice effort but not in their best works in my opinion. That doesn't mean it's not good as some might want to interpret these type of comments.

I don't expect to do my best work when I'm 75 LOL - I hope I do things this good though. I've kept playing this disc every day since purchasing and enjoy it - that's a true test I guess! Looking forward to what Keith and Mick put together next year.

Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: December 22, 2019 19:26

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Lynd8
I think this is a worthy effort and glad to have it. Time will tell where it ranks in their catalogue, but I already think it's better than a couple of their previous efforts and pretty impressive for two guys in their mid-70s.

I've lived with it now for almost two weeks - listening start to finish several times when I first received it, taking a break while listening to other stuff, and re-listening again starting a couple of days ago.
Fantastic album - these songs are all good in their own way, and once they crept in my soul they're here to stay. Even a couple I thought were a bit "weak" at first listen (I'll Be Back and She Rocked My World) have risen quality-wise.
And Break the News written by Simon Townshend (which I liked from the start) kept getting better and better with each listen. Sort of a Beatles/McCartney-esque tune with it's hooks and catchiness, and the lyrics - a truly nice tune.
All in all, highly impressed and thankful to The Who for giving us some new music to appreciate. There's plenty to absorb and digest, and sometimes these things take a bit of time to fully understaand/appreciate.
The album has become a major part of my soundtrack for December 2019, and will always have a place in my heart and soul.

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Lynd8
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frankotero
Lynd8, without going into dissecting detail I believe your post is spot on. Indeed a very nice effort but not in their best works in my opinion. That doesn't mean it's not good as some might want to interpret these type of comments.

I don't expect to do my best work when I'm 75 LOL - I hope I do things this good though. I've kept playing this disc every day since purchasing and enjoy it - that's a true test I guess! Looking forward to what Keith and Mick put together next year.

thumbs up

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......



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Re: OT: The Who stuff
Posted by: tommycharles ()
Date: December 22, 2019 21:46

One of the things I like a lot about this record is it really does sound the way the The Who sound on stage these days. Roger's voice, Starkey's toms, Pino's bass, and Pete's slashing away - listen to any modern (esp '02-07) version of Anyway Anyhow Anywhere, or 5:15, and it sounds... like this record. The Who might not be "a band" in the way they were in the 70s. But this record is as close to it as we can get, and a sight closer than most of their contemporaries produce.

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