WOW - Chuck would have never imagined some random diary entry of his might get treated as if it is , by minimum, The Book of Revelation...



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sometimes you see stuff buried on their blog that is unintentionally interesting: "The next day was also off for us, but we knew we would see many of the friends listed above, all of whom were coming in that day. As they were arriving later, Rose Lane and I spent the first part of the day roaming around the streets, exploring the shops en route to a wash and fold place to get our laundry done."

This was in Philly. At their level they can't get laundry done at their hotel? From how they write - who gets off the plane first, etc- there is a true caste system traveling with the Stones. Sounds like Mick, Keith, Charlie and Ronnie are rarely seen or heard from unless it is showtime.

Of course there is a "caste system" within the Stones organisation. Same as with just about any other corporation. Those who are on top get all the attention and special treatment while those beneath them have to act accordingly and do what they are permitted to as per to their position and rank within the organization. You would find the same thing in the government, the military, a company, or a sports team. And having worked in the concert business for the Stones I can say that yes, they are rarely seen or heard from by most outside their inner circle from the time they leave the stage and get into their limos at one show, until the time they are backstage ready to go on at the next.

this is to my point on another thread that they are no longer really a "band" but rather a "corporate act" - a really good one of course - but still...

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<<he thinks he's irreplaceable by now>>

Sure, there was Rolling Stones before Chuck L and there would be Rolling Stones if he were no longer filling the role he does. But the thing is, once you're in, you're in--and Chuck is definitely in. Mick and Keith never make a change unless it's absolutely necessary, because the show must go on. But if you happen to fit in and do what's expected of you without giving them a reason to let you go, then you pretty much have a job for life--if you want it.

One Blondie C. from CA, USA disagrees...Matt C. from Gloucestershire too for...22 years, but I guess becoming Mick's musical "aide de camp" made up for not being on stage with them ;-)

Someone should remind Chuck that thanks to that new tour, his lost hunting (WTF ?!) business is partially balanced by the extra mileage he's getting from the coffee machine he bought last Spring in the US when he got tired of splurging on in-room service...

More seriously it's interesting that it's Mick who told Chuck to look into "Till the Next Time"...especially since we all were under the impression from reading his diary over the years that he was in charge of coming up with the cool stuff on the setlist. Wonder if it was Mick's idea to include it on SSS or is some under minion brought it to his attention. Good question for Mick next time someone here bumps into him, along with WTF "Fiji Jim" was not on SG Deluxe!

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<along with WTF "Fiji Jim" was not on SG Deluxe!>

I think that question should be headed Don Was's way...

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sometimes you see stuff buried on their blog that is unintentionally interesting: "The next day was also off for us, but we knew we would see many of the friends listed above, all of whom were coming in that day. As they were arriving later, Rose Lane and I spent the first part of the day roaming around the streets, exploring the shops en route to a wash and fold place to get our laundry done."

This was in Philly. At their level they can't get laundry done at their hotel? From how they write - who gets off the plane first, etc- there is a true caste system traveling with the Stones. Sounds like Mick, Keith, Charlie and Ronnie are rarely seen or heard from unless it is showtime.

Of course there is a "caste system" within the Stones organisation. Same as with just about any other corporation. Those who are on top get all the attention and special treatment while those beneath them have to act accordingly and do what they are permitted to as per to their position and rank within the organization. You would find the same thing in the government, the military, a company, or a sports team. And having worked in the concert business for the Stones I can say that yes, they are rarely seen or heard from by most outside their inner circle from the time they leave the stage and get into their limos at one show, until the time they are backstage ready to go on at the next.

THIS is to my point on another thread that they are no longer really a "band" but rather a "corporate act" - a really good one of course - but still...

Yes, I think many of us would agree that for many years now the Stones seem more like a "brand" than a "band." And their music (and image) is their product. Seems like this is true now more than ever. I'm happy not to give them any more of my business.



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WOW - Chuck would have never imagined some random diary entry of his might get treated as if it is , by minimum, The Bool of Revelation...

What exactly is the Bool of Revelation, for us neophytes?

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isn't it - Til the NEXT Goodbye?

it is...get the title right, Chuck..

If they rehearse 50-60, why do they only play 25 of them on stage?

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Yes, I think many of us would agree that for many years now the Stones seem more like a "brand" than a "band." And their music (and image) is their product. Seems like this is true now more than ever. I'm happy not to give them any more of my business.

There is no band of which this is not true.

Thanx for posting

Very interesting. And we all thought it was Mick who put the kibosh on playing the rarities. It turns out Chuck doesn't even remember all the songs from the most popular albums.

That said, it is good of Chuck to post as much as he does.

I am sure Chuck is a nice man, but I can't help me, I find his way of writing annoying.

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I am sure Chuck is a nice man, but I can't help me, I find his way of writing annoying.

Agreed. Much like his style of keyboards.

Chuck (no pun intended) him out, and get Ben Waters in his place.

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isn't it - Til the NEXT Goodbye?

it is...get the title right, Chuck..

Sounds like he's gonna need to listen a bit more closely...still if this is the way he taught it to Jagger, that's the way they'll sing it....

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It totally disrupted our February plans, as we had been told there would be nothing before spring…and we had booked lots of hunts and other activities through all of the month. We had to scramble and do our best to shift some of the hunts to Jan, keep some on the books for Feb that didn’t require Rose Lane and me being there, and in the end, we lost some business that we couldn’t change.

He lost some business. We feel for him.

I think Jagger is also the man behind "Silver Train". Even though Chuck is the one responsible for suggesting many rare gems, I tend to think that his suggestions are rather safe ones - songs such as "Sway" or "Can't You Hear Me Knocking", "No Expectations", "Shine A Light", etc. the fans are dying to hear, and he is also a fan, or knows how the fans think - picked up from the golden period, etc. He might also posses a kind of nose what kind of songs is reasonable to suggest for the big boys, since knowing them and their habits/skills. I don't think neither GOATS HEAD SOUP or IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL being in the very top of the albums he listens when picking up songs.

So my guess is that Jagger happened to take a look at their own site, and saw the videos of "Silver Train" and "Till The Next Goodbye" running there... "hmm, those ones... totally forgotten their existence, but shit, we sounded like trying to promote them rather heavily back then... and now I guess thanks to youtube, people might even know them... let us try and see what happens.."

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I think Jagger is also the man behind "Silver Train". Even though Chuck is the one responsible for suggesting many rare gems, I tend to think that his suggestions are rather safe ones - songs such as "Sway" or "Can't You Hear Me Knocking", "No Expectations", "Shine A Light", etc. the fans are dying to hear, and he is also a fan, or knows how the fans think - picked up from the golden period, etc. He might also posses a kind of nose what kind of songs is reasonable to suggest for the big boys, since knowing them and their habits/skills. I don't think neither GOATS HEAD SOUP or IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL being in the very top of the albums he listens when picking up songs.

So my guess is that Jagger happened to take a look at their own site, and saw the videos of "Silver Train" and "Till The Next Goodbye" running there... "hmm, those ones... totally forgotten their existence, but shit, we sounded like trying to promote them rather heavily back then... and now I guess thanks to youtube, people might even know them... let us try and see what happens.."

- Doxa

Makes me wonder: how much do "we" (=not me, but hard core fans whom are also capable of reading between the lines and can put their biased personal views aside) know about the band's dynamics since 2007. I havent red all threads related to that, through the years, but I think we do not really are able to put down all the shreds of details and turn them into a reliable understanding of the big picture. I do not talk about "whats happening in the rehearsing studio", but rather the whole behind the scenes dynamics - phone calls, e mail and messages. Who still cares? who doesn't not really care at all? I mean when seeing the "Rolling Stones machine" as "just a work place" of the private sector acting off record. We tend to assume (naturally) that everything is happening while the participants are under the awareness of "we are THE Rolling Stones" as if they are Queen Elizabeth who cannot do anything outside the behavior code expected from her. I assume that off record things are much more down to earth. Much more things are "taken out" already in the minds of Jagger (for instance) as he tell himself "No point suggesting this song being altered as I know Keith never cooperated with any change suggested regarding this dear child of him", or the opposite in the case of another song.

All the behind the screen dynamics related to setlists, rarities, Taylor doing 1/2/3/4/5/6 songs or even the "we put up with Keith's problems on intros and Soloing at GS and SFTD as we know he wont let go on those" - it all might be much down to earth and non dramatic compared to what we guess. It could, and might, be just a mix of grownup, older and old people with various health and ego problems but who can work together. Little interaction of the kind that creates development and evolution through dynamics and confrontation, and much more silence, indifference and the "OK, know what? lets just do it" moments. Just my thoughts.

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sometimes you see stuff buried on their blog that is unintentionally interesting: "The next day was also off for us, but we knew we would see many of the friends listed above, all of whom were coming in that day. As they were arriving later, Rose Lane and I spent the first part of the day roaming around the streets, exploring the shops en route to a wash and fold place to get our laundry done."

this was in philly- at their level- they can't get laundry done at their hotel? from how they write, who gets off the plane first, etc- there is a true caste system traveling with the stones. sounds like mick, keith, charlie and ronnie are rarely seen or heard from unless it is showtime.

Even 'God' does his own laundry on tour...



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LOL!

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sometimes you see stuff buried on their blog that is unintentionally interesting: "The next day was also off for us, but we knew we would see many of the friends listed above, all of whom were coming in that day. As they were arriving later, Rose Lane and I spent the first part of the day roaming around the streets, exploring the shops en route to a wash and fold place to get our laundry done."

this was in philly- at their level- they can't get laundry done at their hotel? from how they write, who gets off the plane first, etc- there is a true caste system traveling with the stones. sounds like mick, keith, charlie and ronnie are rarely seen or heard from unless it is showtime.

Even 'God' does his own laundry on tour...

He's probably washing the lipstick stains or perfume scent off his shirt that he got from some woman he met out on the road...before his wife gets to the laundry.

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I think Jagger is also the man behind "Silver Train". Even though Chuck is the one responsible for suggesting many rare gems, I tend to think that his suggestions are rather safe ones - songs such as "Sway" or "Can't You Hear Me Knocking", "No Expectations", "Shine A Light", etc. the fans are dying to hear, and he is also a fan, or knows how the fans think - picked up from the golden period, etc. He might also posses a kind of nose what kind of songs is reasonable to suggest for the big boys, since knowing them and their habits/skills. I don't think neither GOATS HEAD SOUP or IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL being in the very top of the albums he listens when picking up songs.

So my guess is that Jagger happened to take a look at their own site, and saw the videos of "Silver Train" and "Till The Next Goodbye" running there... "hmm, those ones... totally forgotten their existence, but shit, we sounded like trying to promote them rather heavily back then... and now I guess thanks to youtube, people might even know them... let us try and see what happens.."

- Doxa

Makes me wonder: how much do "we" (=not me, but hard core fans whom are also capable of reading between the lines and can put their biased personal views aside) know about the band's dynamics since 2007. I havent red all threads related to that, through the years, but I think we do not really are able to put down all the shreds of details and turn them into a reliable understanding of the big picture. I do not talk about "whats happening in the rehearsing studio", but rather the whole behind the scenes dynamics - phone calls, e mail and messages. Who still cares? who doesn't not really care at all? I mean when seeing the "Rolling Stones machine" as "just a work place" of the private sector acting off record. We tend to assume (naturally) that everything is happening while the participants are under the awareness of "we are THE Rolling Stones" as if they are Queen Elizabeth who cannot do anything outside the behavior code expected from her. I assume that off record things are much more down to earth. Much more things are "taken out" already in the minds of Jagger (for instance) as he tell himself "No point suggesting this song being altered as I know Keith never cooperated with any change suggested regarding this dear child of him", or the opposite in the case of another song.

All the behind the screen dynamics related to setlists, rarities, Taylor doing 1/2/3/4/5/6 songs or even the "we put up with Keith's problems on intros and Soloing at GS and SFTD as we know he wont let go on those" - it all might be much down to earth and non dramatic compared to what we guess. It could, and might, be just a mix of grownup, older and old people with various health and ego problems but who can work together. Little interaction of the kind that creates development and evolution through dynamics and confrontation, and much more silence, indifference and the "OK, know what? lets just do it" moments. Just my thoughts.

You may be right Wroclaw. Things may not be as ominous between Mick and Keith as we sometimes think. In his BBC radio interview, Chuck said that the main thing he learned from being with the Stones is that they don't take it too seriously and if somebody screws up they just laugh, which he thought was the opposite to most other bands.

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[Photo of E.C. at the laundromat]
Even 'God' does his own laundry on tour...

He's probably washing the lipstick stains or perfume scent off his shirt that he got from some woman he met out on the road...before his wife gets to the laundry.

No, that's not the reason.
In his autobiography he confesses it's a bad habit he picked up when he was in rehab. The fluffing and folding routine allegedly helps him to relax while on the road.

There's nowt so queer as rockstars...



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