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GS sounds pretty good to me : i've heard (lots of!) versions from the 97-98 era that were worse than this one. Obviously Keith struggles very hard to play anything consistent but Jagger is amazing! His voice and his moves belong to a man in his 40's. That's stupendous!

And have you noticed? Chuck's playing is restrained and tasty! Yes!

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You would think ( hope) that the Stones would want to visit the disaster region which is still recovering from the earthquake/tsunami.It would be good if they did.

Not to go too OT but something about your comment bothers the crap out of me.
Why do the Stones or any other celebrity have to publicly grieve/ or show sympathy for anything they had nothing to do with?

What do you want from them? Should Ronnie and Charlie put on hazmat suits and go out to the Fukashima plant? Do Mick and Keith have to sit on boats all day blocking dolphin kills? Does Mick Taylor have to place flowers at the schools washed away by the tsunami? And what of the backing musicians? Should Chuck, Bobby, Bernard, Lisa and Tim play on a street corner for earthquake relief?

And how about Pierre and the rest of the crew? What do you want and where does it end?

Thank you for articulating what I was thinking.

Actually the Stones have done benefits before, the Nicaraguan Earthquake benefit is the one I remember most. Do you even know about that one, or were you not born yet ? And I think they have made other appearences at benefit concerts in recent years so it would not be out of character for them. It just seems like the decent thing to do and I think that beneath the harsh exterior the Stones are decent people. I have always felt that way, about Keith and Charlie at least and even Jagger to some extent.

Thanks for expressing what I was about to say myself. Yes, the Stones have done benefit shows before, the SARs benefit was another such, and it was clear to me that was what you meant for the Stones to do and not some farcical notion such as visiting the Fukushima plant. The Tohoku earthquake and tsunami killed over 20k people and has had a deep impact on Japan and its people, so yes, why not a benefit show?

But where does that end? I have the utmost empathy for the Japanese that had to go through that ordeal, but at least Japan is a wealthy government. They can and should pay for this themselves.

What about all the need everywhere else? Haiti is a basket case. Pick almost any country in Africa. Other parts of Asia.

Any money raised would go a lot further in those countries. Implying the Stones need to do something in Japan I think is misdirected.

For Christ's sake, it was only a suggestion, not an imperative. Please forget about it, OK?

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A thousand things may happen during huge shows like these.

It's easy to be an armchair critic, but what would you have done if you busted a string during the opening chords of a song, or you couldn't hear what the band was doing the moment you were supposed to enter with your vocals?

Just saying that every little detail that happens throughout a show can't be planned or controlled...

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You would think ( hope) that the Stones would want to visit the disaster region which is still recovering from the earthquake/tsunami.It would be good if they did.

Not to go too OT but something about your comment bothers the crap out of me.
Why do the Stones or any other celebrity have to publicly grieve/ or show sympathy for anything they had nothing to do with?

What do you want from them? Should Ronnie and Charlie put on hazmat suits and go out to the Fukashima plant? Do Mick and Keith have to sit on boats all day blocking dolphin kills? Does Mick Taylor have to place flowers at the schools washed away by the tsunami? And what of the backing musicians? Should Chuck, Bobby, Bernard, Lisa and Tim play on a street corner for earthquake relief?

And how about Pierre and the rest of the crew? What do you want and where does it end?

Thank you for articulating what I was thinking.

Actually the Stones have done benefits before, the Nicaraguan Earthquake benefit is the one I remember most. Do you even know about that one, or were you not born yet ? And I think they have made other appearences at benefit concerts in recent years so it would not be out of character for them. It just seems like the decent thing to do and I think that beneath the harsh exterior the Stones are decent people. I have always felt that way, about Keith and Charlie at least and even Jagger to some extent.

Thanks for expressing what I was about to say myself. Yes, the Stones have done benefit shows before, the SARs benefit was another such, and it was clear to me that was what you meant for the Stones to do and not some farcical notion such as visiting the Fukushima plant. The Tohoku earthquake and tsunami killed over 20k people and has had a deep impact on Japan and its people, so yes, why not a benefit show?

But where does that end? I have the utmost empathy for the Japanese that had to go through that ordeal, but at least Japan is a wealthy government. They can and should pay for this themselves.

What about all the need everywhere else? Haiti is a basket case. Pick almost any country in Africa. Other parts of Asia.

Any money raised would go a lot further in those countries. Implying the Stones need to do something in Japan I think is misdirected.

For Christ's sake, it was only a suggestion, not an imperative. Please forget about it, OK?

Yet you made the imperative first statement and then hang on to your suggestion like some teenage mall rat shrugging his shoulder and mumbling "just say'n".

Yes, we know you are just saying it was a suggestion now because it was a faulty imperative to begin with. This is like agreeing to disagree. You just want o be heard without thinking it through. You would be better off standing in a corner and shouting at the wall. I'm sure you will enjoy the echo.

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SPellegrino, an imperative is an order or something obligatory. No where did I state the Stones should or must do a benefit show, I only said why not do one? You assertion that my first statement was an imperative is not reflected in anything I have written here so your statement "you made the imperative first statement" is invalid. The intention from the outset was just an idea for the Stones to do something to help people of northern Honshu, who are still recovering from the Tohoku earthquake. Your statement "but where does it all end?" has nothing to do with the initial idea suggested here and so is a strawman fallacy. Whether the Stones choose to do a benefit show in Japan, or anywhere for that matter, is completely up to them and I said as much earlier. I can't see any point in discussing this matter any further as you have made your views most plain as I feel I have. Continue if you feel you must, but you will be shouting at the wall, to borrow your own phrase. Sayanora...

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SPellegrino, an imperative is an order or something obligatory. No where did I state the Stones should or must do a benefit show, I only said why not do one? You assertion that my first statement was an imperative is not reflected in anything I have written here so your statement "you made the imperative first statement" is invalid. The intention from the outset was just an idea for the Stones to do something to help people of northern Honshu, who are still recovering from the Tohoku earthquake. Your statement "but where does it all end?" has nothing to do with the initial idea suggested here and so is a strawman fallacy. Whether the Stones choose to do a benefit show in Japan, or anywhere for that matter, is completely up to them and I said as much earlier. I can't see any point in discussing this matter any further as you have made your views most plain as I feel I have. Continue if you feel you must, but you will be shouting at the wall, to borrow your own phrase. Sayanora...

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SPellegrino, an imperative is an order or something obligatory. No where did I state the Stones should or must do a benefit show, I only said why not do one? You assertion that my first statement was an imperative is not reflected in anything I have written here so your statement "you made the imperative first statement" is invalid. The intention from the outset was just an idea for the Stones to do something to help people of northern Honshu, who are still recovering from the Tohoku earthquake. Your statement "but where does it all end?" has nothing to do with the initial idea suggested here and so is a strawman fallacy. Whether the Stones choose to do a benefit show in Japan, or anywhere for that matter, is completely up to them and I said as much earlier. I can't see any point in discussing this matter any further as you have made your views most plain as I feel I have. Continue if you feel you must, but you will be shouting at the wall, to borrow your own phrase. Sayanora...

look, no need to get all exorcist on him SPellegrino!

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Tokyo 26 Feb Gimme Shelter ... [www.youtube.com]

Tokyo 26 Feb Sympathy ... [www.youtube.com]

And yes, Keith's solo is a shocker for sure, but then again I'd love to still be on stage in front of tens of thousands of people and getting paid for it handsomely when I'm Keef's age

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I'd love to know the reason why MT is dragged around the world, but not used.

It's a real shame.

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I'd love to know the reason why MT is dragged around the world, but not used.

It's a real shame.

Yes it is. Very unfortunate. I suppose they realize a lot of people just don't care one way or another.

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but again for the majority it would be weird to see a 3rd guitarist on stage for more than just a guest slot.

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I'd love to know the reason why MT is dragged around the world, but not used.

It's a real shame.

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It's not just about the music though is it. People come to SEE Keith. He represents so much. Ironically in some ways it's like a return to the days when girls' screaming drowned out the sound of the band. For most people, when Keith steps to the front of the stage for a solo it's not about the execution of it at all - it's just the excitement of seeing Keith throwing the shapes and making some sounds. The rest of the band is clearly strong enough to cover his shortcomings, so for most of the casual concert attendee Keith's decline playing-wise probably goes unnoticed.

As for MT - I think it's great that he's 'part' of the band again. Slightly odd that he is a permanent fixture on the tour for just 15 odd minutes a night - but again for the majority it would be weird to see a 3rd guitarist on stage for more than just a guest slot.

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It's not just about the music though is it. People come to SEE Keith. He represents so much. Ironically in some ways it's like a return to the days when girls' screaming drowned out the sound of the band. For most people, when Keith steps to the front of the stage for a solo it's not about the execution of it at all - it's just the excitement of seeing Keith throwing the shapes and making some sounds. The rest of the band is clearly strong enough to cover his shortcomings, so for most of the casual concert attendee Keith's decline playing-wise probably goes unnoticed.

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... - but again for the majority it would be weird to see a 3rd guitarist on stage for more than just a guest slot.