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As an experiment/new years resolution I am putting my real Rolling Stones point of view to bed for 2014. I think it's best for my own sanity as well as the sanity and patience of others. haha.
I must say, listening to the Kansas City live recording with Richards, Taylor & Wood has done much to ease my obsession with this real thing stuff. I'm placing it third in my post Jones fav live stones recordings. Hyde Park being 1st, Ya-Ya's being 2nd.
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drbryant
I think you guys are on the wrong track. I don't think DWMD has anything to do with goth. To me It's swampy blues-rock, like Born on the Bayou.
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GOO
Black and blue should be added to the big 4 or 5
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DandelionPowderman
<...and when you disparagingly say Mick Jagger's voice>
No disagreement about the importance of Mick's voice - but it hardly makes the song alone...
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<...and when you disparagingly say Mick Jagger's voice>
No disagreement about the importance of Mick's voice - but it hardly makes the song alone...
A little delayed answer: I was slow in adding "only" in front of "Mick Jagger's voice".
More important now: To me I think it is most of all how the melody goes, that, coworking with how it is sung, that gives me an impression of a gothic (or proto-gothic) song.
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DandelionPowderman
You don't hear the scary mood Keith's guitar, Billy's clavinet and the subtle triangle sounds create on CYHTM? MM is mainly a super sweet ballad. CYHTM only touches that feeling in the bridges only.
One doesn't have to scream or sing about 44s to get there, you know
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DandelionPowderman
Merely a continuance of stuff like Stray Cat Blues, Midnight Rambler or Ventilator Blues - only tamer and more one-dimensional, imo.
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Witness
Apart from that, Stones songs are usually first of all Stones songs, then with more or less pronounced elements of, for instance, disco as "Miss You". And when you, disparagingly, say only Mick Jagger's voice, my answer is that his voice to me is one of their most formidable instruments.
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Merely a continuance of stuff like Stray Cat Blues, Midnight Rambler or Ventilator Blues - only tamer and more one-dimensional, imo.
Interesting. Where exactly is the repeated chorus, asking people to sing-along and move their asses, in those three?
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Apart from that, Stones songs are usually first of all Stones songs, then with more or less pronounced elements of, for instance, disco as "Miss You". And when you, disparagingly, say only Mick Jagger's voice, my answer is that his voice to me is one of their most formidable instruments.
Don't worry. For some people it is only guitars guitars guitars, backed up a bit with drums and bass, all that is matters. How the melody line goes, how Jagger sings, and what the lyrical content is, is just secondary, not adding any substantive...
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"Dancing with Mr. D" was before the gothic scene. And it had not to be copied to be a forerunner, added expression: not necessarily the first one. And it may give a description of the song in a Stones context that to some listeners, not all, is a little more inspiring than "rocker".
OK: Thank you!
That's because there aren't that many gothic elements in the song musically. With musically I mean that the song is basically a blues groove. It is Mick and the lyrics that gives the feel you well-deservedly get credit for here. I mean, gothic rock might not be correct - more like a blues rocker dressed in gothic clothes, imo.
However, listen to the tremolo guitar in Going Home, as well as some of the instrumental parts of it, before dismissing it in this context.
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DandelionPowderman
You don't hear the scary mood Keith's guitar, Billy's clavinet and the subtle triangle sounds create on CYHTM? MM is mainly a super sweet ballad. CYHTM only touches that feeling in the bridges only.
One doesn't have to scream or sing about 44s to get there, you know
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Merely a continuance of stuff like Stray Cat Blues, Midnight Rambler or Ventilator Blues - only tamer and more one-dimensional, imo.
Interesting. Where exactly is the repeated chorus, asking people to sing-along and move their asses, in those three?
- Doxa
SCB: "Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat..."
VB: "Some kind of ventilator" Whatcha gonna do about it, whatcha gonna do..."
MR: "I said, oh yeah, oh yeah" (maybe the Stones's #1 singalong number)
But it doesn't matter about the choruses, I was merely talking about the dark feel and "gothic" elements of the songs. Singalong choruses of course has nothing to do with goth rock. What did you have in mind here?
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Singalong choruses of course has nothing to do with goth rock. What did you have in mind here?
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DandelionPowderman
Singalong choruses of course has nothing to do with goth rock. What did you have in mind here?
It depends on the words and/or melody.
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DandelionPowderman
Singalong choruses of course has nothing to do with goth rock. What did you have in mind here?
It depends on the words and/or melody.
There are always exceptions, but I doubt it's the normal practise - that was my point
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DandelionPowderman
Singalong choruses of course has nothing to do with goth rock. What did you have in mind here?
It depends on the words and/or melody.
There are always exceptions, but I doubt it's the normal practise - that was my point
There are sing alongs at Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath concerts, for example, plenty of gothic imagery in their lyrics and melodies.
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DandelionPowderman
That's pop music
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DandelionPowderman
That's pop music
With gothic lyrics and melody.
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"...hell and fire was spawned to be released..."
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Witness
My employer does not pay me for posting on IORR. That my posts tend to be boring to you does not help. So I must postpone this exchange of views for now.
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DandelionPowderman
"...hell and fire was spawned to be released..."
Not sure of you are trying to say there aren't gothic lyrics aplenty or not?