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I only listen to it when it gets discussed to see what's what with regards to something in the convo's.

Ultimately, it's just weird listening.

I have heard more weird than that.

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I have heard more weird than that.

Old men playing with their younger selves and dead people is pretty hard to beat.

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I have heard more weird than that.

Old men playing with their younger selves and dead people is pretty hard to beat.

Go and pay.

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I have heard more weird than that.

Old men playing with their younger selves and dead people is pretty hard to beat.

Go and pay.

lol.

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I only listen to it when it gets discussed to see what's what with regards to something in the convo's.

Ultimately, it's just weird listening.

Weird it is...I get the creepy crawlys ever time someone new duets with Elvis...I've recently received a letter that it's almost my turn...

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Has anyone read Ian McLagan's book? He discusses Taylor's appearance in KC at one point. It appears that Taylor was invited at the last minute, once the band heard he was in the same town. As a result, his amp wasn't mic'd, so Taylor turned it way up, and this is the source of the annoyance that others on stage had over him being there, not the extended length of his performance. It was their show, so if they wanted him to leave after a couple of numbers they would have just said so. It wasn't that he wore out his welcome, but the volume of his amp was out of whack with others onstage. Ian Stewart actually got up and walked out at one point, because MT's amp was right next to Stu's piano.

So it wouldn't matter to hear the soundboard version, because MT's guitar wouldn't have gone through if it wasn't mic'd. And this is why some posters above are having difficulty divining Taylor's parts.

According to set list sources, MT comes in at song 10 (Let me Go) and remains for the rest of the set (total of 16 songs).

The guitar that many believe to be Mick Taylor sounds clear as though it is from the soundboard. Yet another reason I don't think it is Taylor playing.

Or that he was in fact plugged in

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Or that he was in fact plugged in

He wasn't plugged in to the P.A. on the audience recording of this show.

So why do we hear him clearly on BL, BOB, Imagination and others?

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So why do we hear him clearly on BL, BOB, Imagination and others?

I hear him on BL and BoB and HTW and YCAGWYW and in the very beginning of Time Is On My Side, but not (clearly) on Imagination. Can you say from which moment he's audible there Dandie?

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Here, Doxa, try this dailymotion link. It used to be on YouTube until recently, but has since been taken down: [www.dailymotion.com]

Thanks, but unfortunately the same problem...

- Doxa

To which country must we go to be able to listen to this video??

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So why do we hear him clearly on BL, BOB, Imagination and others?

I hear him on BL and BoB and HTW and YCAGWYW and in the very beginning of Time Is On My Side, but not (clearly) on Imagination. Can you say from which moment he's audible there Dandie?

Not now, but it's on one of the long instrumental passages.

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So why do we hear him clearly on BL, BOB, Imagination and others?

I hear him on BL and BoB and HTW and YCAGWYW and in the very beginning of Time Is On My Side, but not (clearly) on Imagination. Can you say from which moment he's audible there Dandie?

At the 1:06:38 mark I can clearly hear Taylor's slide and it's not coming from the board.

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Check out 1:16 mark as "You cant always get what you want" enters into the break and the 1981 sing along, Taylor is playing throughout "the break" and during Mick's attempt to get the crowd singing . . .

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So why do we hear him clearly on BL, BOB, Imagination and others?

I hear him on BL and BoB and HTW and YCAGWYW and in the very beginning of Time Is On My Side, but not (clearly) on Imagination. Can you say from which moment he's audible there Dandie?

At the 1:06:38 mark I can clearly hear Taylor's slide and it's not coming from the board.

Nothing is coming from the board on the audience recording?

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So why do we hear him clearly on BL, BOB, Imagination and others?

I hear him on BL and BoB and HTW and YCAGWYW and in the very beginning of Time Is On My Side, but not (clearly) on Imagination. Can you say from which moment he's audible there Dandie?

At the 1:06:38 mark I can clearly hear Taylor's slide and it's not coming from the board.

Nothing is coming from the board on the audience recording?

I wrote that poorly. I meant to say the audience recording of this show has MT way down in the mix as if he's playing thru a stage amp and not the P.A.

No, he is audible there too on the songs I mentioned. That's why the not plugged in-myth is hard to explain...

It'll be nonsense, no way is he not mic'd up. Given his off the cuff appearance perhaps his set up and levels or what ever didn't recieve much fuss or attention.

I was hoping I could google and find an old newspaper review.
This link seems pretty accurate with most setlists;
[rocksoff.org] at least from what I can tell.
Someone on IORR has to have saved the newspaper review.
Someone please post for the rest of us.
Thanks.

Another thing that Taylor mentions in that interview clip from the Stones doc is that it was initially intended that he join them onstage for a couple of numbers, but says that he was on for "five or six" instead.

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The guitar that many believe to be Mick Taylor sounds clear as though it is from the soundboard. Yet another reason I don't think it is Taylor playing.

Doesn't the solo at 1:16:33 sound both like only Taylor and dry like a soundboard?

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The guitar that many believe to be Mick Taylor sounds clear as though it is from the soundboard. Yet another reason I don't think it is Taylor playing.

Doesn't the solo at 1:16:33 sound both like only Taylor and dry like a soundboard?

I could be wrong on all this, not my scene as such, but...

Note the levels of the guitars and sax change throughout the concert, th sax gets boosted so much because it is so reliant on the mixer/pa for it's volume. I think it's very likley that all the guitars are loud onstage, but that Taylor has been mic'd up and is going through the soundboard mix as well. His sound is too direct sounding and fluctuating like the others. It's all as if someone is winging it more with the levels in order to incorporate the different dynamics of an additional guitarist who isn't used to playing with their set up and usual onstage levels.

There's a lot going on, so some soloing or interacting gets altered at strange times etc.

Interesting solo, he seems to be channeling a lot of his 17 year old Bluesbreaker self there.



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Note the levels of the guitars and sax change throughout the concert, th sax gets boosted so much because it is so reliant on the mixer/pa for it's volume. I think it's very likley that all the guitars are loud onstage, but that Taylor has been mic'd up and is going through the soundboard mix as well. His sound is too direct sounding and fluctuating like the others. It's all as if someone is winging it more with the levels in order to incorporate the different dynamics of an additional guitarist who isn't used to playing with their set up and usual onstage levels.

1:13:47 Taylor plays his descending theme. His volume is low, but he is clearly playing along.
1:13:59 In the middle of one of Ronnie's lead runs, Jagger says something like, "Play some, Mick. Play some." Initially, not much can be heard from Taylor.
1:14:14 There is a sudden increase in Taylor's volume as he completes a part of the lick that he would repeat during the singalong two minutes later. The volume goes from practically nothing to very loud mid-phrase (we hear the final note of the "call" and then the full-volumed complete "response"). Seems more likely to have been the soundman waking up rather than Taylor's volume control.

Indeed.

Of course Taylor's amp was mic'd, there's no doubt about that. Anyone who has ever been on a big stage knows that guitar amps only carry a limited distance of about 10 meters, than the sound gets to fluttered and indirect to be distinct anymore. So on a stage you need monitors if you're further away from the amp than say 5 meters (and you need monitors to keep the stage volume to the front of stage at reasonable levels), and when you're in the crowd at say third or fourth row you will not hear any guitars coming straight from the amp.

It was stated that Taylor used one of the Stones Boogie amps, and it was noted as being a small Boogie Mk1. That I find hard to believe -these are loud, but only of you are directly in front of it; 20 centimeters to the left or right and the volume drops 50%. So Ian MacLagan's story is hard to fathom with a Boogie Mk1. Judging to the sound it is much more likely they used Wood's spare Boogie Coliseum MkIIB.

Both Richard's and Wood have a spare amp set up, mic'd and all in case an amp blows. When that happens the tech can switch amps in 10 seconds, and the mic in front is in parallel with the original mic. Wood's spare amp is right next to Ian MacLagan, and Taylor is know to play way too loud throughout his career.

So that's just it in my opinion. He plugged in to Wood's spare amp, turned it to 11 as he always does, and played way to loud, pissing everybody off.

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Note the levels of the guitars and sax change throughout the concert, th sax gets boosted so much because it is so reliant on the mixer/pa for it's volume. I think it's very likley that all the guitars are loud onstage, but that Taylor has been mic'd up and is going through the soundboard mix as well. His sound is too direct sounding and fluctuating like the others. It's all as if someone is winging it more with the levels in order to incorporate the different dynamics of an additional guitarist who isn't used to playing with their set up and usual onstage levels.

1:13:47 Taylor plays his descending theme. His volume is low, but he is clearly playing along.
1:13:59 In the middle of one of Ronnie's lead runs, Jagger says something like, "Play some, Mick. Play some." Initially, not much can be heard from Taylor.
1:14:14 There is a sudden increase in Taylor's volume as he completes a part of the lick that he would repeat during the singalong two minutes later. The volume goes from practically nothing to very loud mid-phrase (we hear the final note of the "call" and then the full-volumed complete "response"). Seems more likely to have been the soundman waking up rather than Taylor's volume control.

Interesting posts. Jagger obviously wasn't pissed off.

one thing thats not been talked about much is woods comment on Taylor overplaying

listening to the audience and the soundboard id say he's pretty restrained if anything really, at least alot more restrained than (Wood and) Bobby Keys in particular.

its an interesting spin on things

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one thing thats not been talked about much is woods comment on Taylor overplaying

listening to the audience and the soundboard id say he's pretty restrained if anything really, at least alot more restrained than (Wood and) Bobby Keys in particular.

its an interesting spin on things

It's not our dear Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts. Listen to Jagger introducing him.

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one thing thats not been talked about much is woods comment on Taylor overplaying

listening to the audience and the soundboard id say he's pretty restrained if anything really, at least alot more restrained than (Wood and) Bobby Keys in particular.

its an interesting spin on things

It's not our dear Bobby Keys but Ernie Watts. Listen to Jagger introducing him.

doh, blumin poop on my hands there, taxi!!!